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great vid

I've got another point to make, but I'm putting it in a second post necause the first was long enough. As a thought experiment about generic spam and it being seen as objectionable, consider TIE/fo spam as a comparison. In AMG points, there are enough good 3-point unique pilot options that you could fill a list. In fact, people have brought five of them plus a 5-point other ship and placed highly. I'd go so far as to say that a pure /fo swarm would be very playable if not for the maths of list building (because 20 isn't divisible by 3, and flying only 18 points is basically unplayable with deficit scoring). There are at least 6 truly competitive pilots in the ship - Howlrunner, Malarus, Galek, Scorch, DT-798, Static (in a few builds). To a slightly lesser extent, Longshot for a seventh. And if list building was to 21 points enabling 7 of them (or if there was still a 2-point /fo like there used to be), named /fo swarms would definitely happen. Yet they wouldn't draw the same ire that a generic spam list would. So my question is - what makes a competitive TIE/fo swarm made up of uniques not objectionable, but a competitive swarm made up of generics objectionable?

The Generics was never a problem in the pass additions a Generic pilots was a rook pilot with little or no ability. they were just a place holder a way to get a extra ship on the board because of price. when you build a list you have to think about the what ifs some one brings 3 falcons etc keep the Generic. I remember when swarm was a thing folks did complain but i would use harpoon missiles which gave muti damage then they did away with the harpoon those weapons where their for a reason they was a counter for most things but it got messed up. you have to build for the what if.

Alrighty then, an update on the local event. I went 2 - 2, flying an extremely technically complicated list with the Empire. BoE Soontir, Duchess, Maarek Stele, Vizier and Double Edge. I got diced in round 1 pretty terribly, lost in round 3 much more honestly. The practice was absolutely necessary, but paid off when I saw that my spacing was 90% perfect and that there wasn't a lot that I could have done better.

Did we already talk about exploring something similar to Legion's generic jedi? What if we had a limited 'prototype' configuration for each generic ship that was slightly more expensive, but gave a much wider loadout pool? We could limit the 'prototype' version to one/two/three pips based on chassis. Would that help isolate the issue folks have with making their own 'custom' in game pilots without the danger of spam?

I am interested to see how people would feel about limiting generic pilots and upgrades to 3 or maybe 4 of the same pilot/upgrade per list. This would allow us to make generics viable over just using named pilots but eliminate the possibility of spamming 5+ of the same generic pilot with proton torps or other "same upgrade" load out lists. There are plenty of ships/pilots/upgrades that are unique and limited to 1 or 2 based on the number of "dots" next to their name, so to me, a limmit of 3 on those not marked with dots would make sense. Perhaps upping the limit to 5 in epic play only. Just a thought, but my tournament play experience is very limited.

Managed to make it aswell. Orks top with the blood axe (forgot this name) SOE second with a sister deck. Aeldar is linlith NIDS with the swarm lord. Tau and Necrons not far behind with Trazin and Shas o ralai Congratulations BTW. 😊

Did you end up getting skarbrand? And how many legendaries did you get from the end of season rewards?

im amazed this game is still going. I got hooked when it first came out, but my save didn't transfer when i got a new device. That was a enough hassle to leave it behind.

So it feels like a few things are being conflated... What are people actually enjoying about generics? Is it the lack of a name? The lack of a pilot ability? Being able to essentially copy and paste a ship so that you're flying more of the same thing, which is simpler/easier? There's a few different things here, and I think that for example, if you 'pipped'/limited generics then you're probably removing the thing that people like (taking the same thing on repeat). I definitely like the concept of building a list of all the same ship, as it enables simpler list building and piloting. I don't think that should be taken away. And I like what XWA seem to have done which is that typically lower Initiative ships get more loadout, but can be more expensive points wise to build a list with. I think this is a pretty good way to make them both viable but also limit them due to cost. Rather than the AMG approach which was to make them strictly worse than a named pilot. I don't think lists should have to revolve around a named pilot(s). But I think that it should have the option to. E.g. my favourite ship and pilot is Boba Fett, and I love building lists with it. I also really like that I can now fly 3 generic Firesprays. Is it too OP? I don't know, but I think Loadout/slots are a great lever to rein that in e.g. taking away VTG from them would bring them down a notch.

Lol the sneak backcap can be tough to pull off. But if you're single-handedly taking out the enemies who come to defend is it really a backcap, or is it a straight up capture?

Generics are a part of several faction identities, and are essential to swarm play. It is extremely difficult to fly a swarm in formation when they all have different initiatives, especially with the punishing self-bumping rules (which I think should be reconsidered and adjusted). And flying in formation is intrinsic to a dogfighting game, especially a Star Wars one. And, yes, limiting complexity of every ship having a different set of abilities is essential to easing new players into the game - even more so if they are actually a viable option for competitive play and not just a dumbed down version of the game. As the X-Wing Alliance points team have said, the goal of points costing is to make difficult choices. If anything is so good it's an auto-include, that's a failure of design. You will have to pick between high initiative aces with great abilities but little loadout, midrange ships with fun abilities and fun ways to configure them, and expensive behemoths with all the toys. Generics fit into that picture as well, with some being cheap but with little or no loadout points (e.g. TIE Fighters), midrange chassis with a decent amount of loadout appropriate for their role (e.g. TIE Bombers) and platforms with a ton of loadout for support (e.g. Shuttles). This is not about making generics always a cheap value option, there are legitimate and interesting cases where a generic might be more expensive than a named pilot but with more flexibility in loadout. In addition to the various roles that generics can take in the meta, not every generic ship needs to be viable. And you've already mentioned several mechanisms that can be used to limit abuse. There should be relatively few cases where a list is made up of entirely generics, but it should be perfectly normal to see Darth Vader leading a swarm of TIE fighters, or Luke with a squadron of X-Wings and Y-Wings armed with proton torpedoes. It's thematic, and that's key to a Star Wars game.

Great video! As a recently returning 2.0 player, I appreciate the hype for having 2.0 and 2.5 tables side by side. I haven’t tried 2.5 yet, but both versions seem different and fun, glad to see there isn’t a serious divide in the community. Objectives preventing you from just running away is a great point I hadn’t thought of, it hasn’t happened in my home games but I have definitely thought about how it could be a problem. As a casual player I love that generic ships exist, because it lets you simply put more ships on a squad. I have tended to fly 3 aces for the most part, but recently I’ve tried to spread out points and put all my minis on the table. I can actually fly a lot more of the cool ships I have, because I can add them in for cheap. I like the idea of having generics with more load out cost for more squad points. Perhaps even have the cheapest generics drop a few specific upgrade slots? Dunno. Side note, part of why I love generics might be just that they have lore on the cards. It’s pretty cool, and really brings a level of immersion in the world Star Wars. Doesn’t have much to do with gameplay, especially tournament wise, but I do like that. Definitely one of my favorite parts of looking through pilot cards, learning where my new ship fits into the world (especially EU ships I haven’t seen before). For as much as it’s fun to play a bunch of named characters from the movies and shows, it’s also fun to play a squad of academy pilots on their first real mission, or a test pilot for a secretly developed new ship. I like that playing the main characters isn’t the only option, and you can play a swarm if you want a different play style (though I can see how that’s a pain for balancing, lol).

wait folk spam ships that are easy to get to fly off the board with ion?

I was one of the playtesters in alpha for the XWA points, and I can affirm that balancing generics was one of the highest priorities. Problem was, however, that every other attempt to make them better than they are now broke them. I built a list so bad I didn't even get a chance to test it before the more experienced people there looked at it and nearly vomited. The pips on generics are a method I would love to see more explored, but the XWA didn't have the time to account for that in alpha. Our local event, this saturday, will use the XWA points though, and I've been practicing my list for about a month now in prep.

Thanks for the conversation! I totally get the difficulty in balancing and the danger that allowing multiplier generics pose to overall game balance. And I can also respect the idea that essentially there's just a skill gap issue where anyone that shows up to a group play event has to know at least a little bit about all game mechanics to do well. But I still just like generics. It's probably the same reason that I'll play a game of One Page Rules with my Adepta Sororitas and never a true 40k game. I just don't have the time, patience, or frankly interest to learn about every single complex detail or interaction. I'm certainly even less inclined to try and teach the same to my beer-and-pretzels game group. In fact, some of the fun in the game for me is *revealing* those combos in real time for a true cinematic experience. At the end of the day, I'm a casual player. I play games on story mode. I'm in it for the lore and the laughter, rather than the grind. My challenge to XWA is how can we design competitive tournaments to include a kind of 'story mode' that doesn't just handicap your experience? Tournament play is a unique part of X-wing that I want to share with as many people as possible, even if I'm probably only ever going to play in store events. In terms of the details, I actually love the pip'd generic idea. And as you mentioned differently costed named pilots, I realized 90% of my vision of generics could be solved with cleverly designed generic loadouts - especially loadouts that are intentionally inefficient. It's still going to be difficult to balance the costs, but if we stuck to pipped loadouts, you could at least eliminate the completely OP generic combos. For the true believers, it'd be cool for the OG ship to still exist, but with a similar 2.5 style high-end cost. The other easy solution is to reinvent hyperspace. Run a store tourney that only allows generics. Minimal loadouts. Boil the game down to the dials and dice. Then once newbies are hooked, you run a normal tournament next month. There's a million ways to do this and the great thing about the XWA future is that we make our own rules. All I'm asking is for XWA to keep casual kids like me in mind - we aren't trying to ruin the experience for anyone else. We're just trying to knock out a 20 minute game of Big Team Battle CTF on Blood Gulch after we put the kids to bed.

How are people putting their printed ships on a peg. It seems like a lot of models on that list don't already have a cutout for the peg to enter it if they do it doesn't seem correctly sized

Why would you name this game the same as an actual Lucasarts video game?

The biggest issue for me was the lack of titles for epic ships, this is exciting as a Separatist player

Currently sat at 14246 at the moment. As soon as I try my sleep frog decks, they stone drop about 300 points.

Hi, any chance you can start making tier list content please? Eg what’s S tier in nids and an F in nids

Very interesting, I've always found games like starcraft 2 a little complex but it's cool to see how it can help others. Some junkrat advice: - You want to avoid playing out in the open too often as it leaves you vulnerable, your mine will always propel you upwards and in a predictable movement arc which makes it easy to kill you when you're trying to escape. Playing in closed spaces also allows you to bait enemies into a space where you have the advantage as the bombs are easier to hit. - Place your trap around flanks to avoid being caught off guard by heroes like sombra, tracer and others - Use your primary fire and mine in quick succession of each other, if both land then you're able to combo heroes 225hp and under and it effectively serves as a "1 shot combo" because of how quickly you can execute it.

Suggestion for cards with an inactive side - why not just use a charge token for when it's active or not? That's a game mechanic that's already used in the game, it could just be reworded to fit how it's used. When I play Epic, this is usually how I kept track of those upgrades anyways, it just makes more intuitive sense to me.

Rules addendum and feedback form here: ruclips.net/video/kUH-B3z8HXU/видео.htmlsi=Dc1nS7mFU6bB9zAt

I seem to be stuck around 13491 I was at place 22 in the world, but now in 10%. The next 300 trophies seems improbable. This last week I have really dropped. 😢

Impressive! I haven't tried to climb the ladder like that in a long time. I wonder how high I could get.

I've actually managed to get higher than ever before with this season, as I've finally gotten over 13k total trophies, all thanks to ACTUALLY having cards at decent levels now. But I've encountered a few brick walls in the fact my high level cards aren't great. And the cards that I do have which are great, aren't high level. And I don't exactly know where to go from here, because I'm pushing to try and keep getting higher and higher, but I just can't due to this 'ceiling' I've hit with all my armies. My best army is a SC ghosar deck, built around ranged (ha ha, funny I know given the 'ranged is king') but I couldn't push farther because I don't have the damage anymore. My second best deck was, sad to say, a Kahl deck. Based around barrage. I don't have high enough level cards to do any other deck with for Servants As for my space marines, standard 'Tolmeron' and 'Acheran' decks are just fun and strong at the same time. Did get a fair few wins with Guilliman, who I have at level 5 (somehow) and finally, my last deck on the board, which somehow surpassed EVERYTHING else, was my Necron deck, where I'm using Trazyn I'm now trying to push my way back up with Eldar, but I don't have the strongest cards, so I'm not hopeful

OMG I feel the same way, and every time I bring this up with people who *do not* play Starcraft 2, they dismiss it. So its nice to hear that someone else shares my perception on it

So in the same vein as this idea, an OG ow content creator actually made a workshop mode using this theory. Hisn aim trainer mode in the custom game does wonders. Here's his video, watch?v=h8xGfkBbcuk and the workshop code is JPYHG. After warming up with this code an going into games, I legit noticed at least a 5-8% increase in accuracy at least.

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How would you professionally print these since the PDF is protected? Having trouble uploading images (just want to print the SLs front/back) on card making sites.

I'm a biased generic-lover. They seemed to die in 2.5 almost entirely due to the loss in point granularity. There just doesn't always exist a way to increase loadout value or slots to compensate for those gigantic ship point buckets. Make the ship point scale go to 50, 100, 200, or even 1000 - and now Oli & XWA have the toolset to make generics appropriate. As an aside, my game groups are very casual and so being able to walk a player through a ships abilities with generics is a godsend. "OK cool, so yeah that's what an X-wing or a Fang Fighter does. And yup you have 4 of them that all do the same thing, let's play!" Now, sure you can just do whatever you damn well please in a casual setting, but if I were to ever have a half-chance in hell of bringing one of those folks to a tourney, I'd love to have some 'viable' generic list that could still reasonably exist in the meta.

I completely missed that Scum Han also went down to 5/10!

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

Y'all. If I'd started this week, I never would have gotten half way. The difficulty spike starting even now is NUTS

Thanks! You beat Crabbock. Who would have thought.

27:12 what does standardised mean? no idea from reading any of rules and seen it a few times

The first changes disappointed me a little because: 1. They diddn't analyze why players left 2.5 and stay on legacy 2.0 2. And so changes go in to opposite way as expected! I would appreciate the Alliance would take notice about what is killing the game for most of former players and take care also of my suggestions to resolve those issues: 1. Loadouts in 2.0 give more flexibility while in 2.5 they are determined with less lodouts with less flexibility! The actual outcome since XWA Beta decreases the loadout of most heroes and makes the situation more worse as with AMG it is! My Suggestion: Example Han Solo rebels: You can create thre phases of Han Solo pilot like Han Solo I, II, III with more loadouts but for more costs like 8 points with loadout 21 and 9 points with loadout 30 this gives those from legacy players the opportunity to have more flexibility with loadouts with increasing pilot points! 2. The missions are overrated and killing the dogfight! This issue is not solved by the XWA Beta! My Suggestion: At the end of a round each player gets 1 point when both players have same numbers of missions or 2 points if one player has at least more missions as the opponent! So the mission points were restricted up to 2 points as a maximum for each round! Also it would take more rounds to play as with the common AMG rules! 3. Using no name pilots: Here I can say XWA made some positive attampts but i fear that this is not enough! My Suggestion: creating placeholder for using 3 or 2 ships of same type like for example Z-95 which would cost you normal 9 or 6 points you should pay 7 points for playing with 3 of them or 5 points if playing with 2 of them! This could be an option to make it more attractive to use unnamed pilots in a bundle with reduced costs!

Confession: I've only seen up to the 1:18:25 mark, before you got into lists. Just a couple things I think weren't mentioned (and again apologies if they are mentioned after I don't have time to watch it all right now). 1. I really wish it was mentioned how the power level across the board, in all factions, has been lowered. So again for Fangs, the fact that they didn't move much is actually a buff if you take into account how everything is moving lower in power level. It's always a little more complicated than blue and red on the sheet. 2. Super surprised when discussing lower loadout ships that the option of FEARLESS (Scum faction Talent) was never brought up. Top 5 upgrade in the game IMO and at 3 pts, things like Dalan in the Starviper who has exactly 3 loadout and huge maneuver possibilities, or Talonbane, or any number of these lower loadout ships become vastly more dangerous. 3. As for Guri, 8 is a very calculated number, Virago of course, OR, Advanced Sensors. Which plays back to our theme. Choice. How are you gonna build your guri out. Advanced Sensor menace, or Virago durability upgrade. Then you could always do something like Pattern Analyzer and Fearless as well. There's lots of options in how you wanna build your guri.

I have all the ships please bring talaban cobra back let him keep his ability and we good

*Viktor Hel: "When defending, if you do not roll exactly two defense dice, the attacker gains 1 Stress token" *Separatist Rogues do NOT have Dead to Rights except Cad and Durge. The IGs all have Networked Calculations

*Just added Chapters for anyone who wants to jump to specific Factions!

Props to you for going through that all. I didn't see a cut in there so clearly you had to one take this. I think this is a really good venture in micro and macro. Reactions were very micro to the ships, as of course they're gonna be when you're going through things one at a time. I think if you take a step back and take in the changes as a whole you'll see more of what's really happening. For example, in general a lot of things got nerfed, this means things that stayed the same, naturally got buffed. But just looking at blue and red would never reveal that. When you're readjusting the power level, you don't have the luxury of taking it a ship at a time, because a change in 3 dice ships in Rebels, necessarily means that to keep a power level, you need some options in other factions within the same range. I see benjamin below reacting to ETAs, Etas are a perfect example of the philosophy here: Choice They give you a choice of a cheaper custom version with a little loadout, or the fully loaded SL versions for a point more. 4 points for an i6 is really good. Notice no one complaining about Soontir at 4/1 but Anakin 4/3 is a huge issue? And then if you want the toys, including Regen, pay for it. We need to get X-Wing players used to actually having to pay for things. For too long we've all been spoiled by ships that not only are defensive, but have torps, and can double mod themselves, and regen, and ion, and preposition, and ... and.... etc, for cheap. It's led to the meta now where it's the same list in every faction and GTs are just two factions and two lists playing each other 100 times. As a streamer, it's boring. It's also bad for the game. It's only been a day, and anything can happen but in the 20 or so games I've observed so far I've seen ships I haven't seen since the before times. Also as someone who started playing in 2.0, I find it very funny people's reactions to things that I guess were really good in 1.0, like K-Wings, it's like a sharead PTSD from an old war. I feel like K-Wings hurt a lot of people and they'll never trust them again.