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Focus on the Family (Female): anti-male f3min1st organization. Avoid.

I give two reasons: My wife demands me to go to a church I cannot grow in. "Churches bring the menu but don't deliver the food." ~Leonard Ravenhill~ I come home spiritually hungry and tired of hearing baby food.

29:15 - 29:21 Exhibit A

It's feminized. The answer.

Now, church kids camp is singing & crafts and being comfortable.

Church camp is now lame too. When I was young, it was like Boy Scouts with drills, inspections, nature challenges. Swimming, canoeing, over night camping, disciple

I get bored of modern Christin music, it’s bland Wall of Sound. I prefer old rock where you can hear the rhythm guitar , bass, drums, lead guitar distinctly.

My previous church taught husbands represents Christ and wives represents the Church. So men had to live up to Jesus (aka perfection) and wives had to live up to the Church (aka much lower bar). Any problem with the marriage was the man's fault because he is the "leader". All the men got reminded often how much they needed to change in order to be more like Jesus so they can serve they wives better. Of course we never achieved that lofty goal. But berating men is socially acceptable.

I recall Redeemed Zoomer on Aaron's podcast a while back explicitly saying that people should not be planting new churches, and I really appreciated him for saying that. We should have a moratorium on planting new churches until we learn how to foster healthy existing parishes.

Mitochondrial Eve" refers to the most recent female ancestor from whom all currently living humans are descended through their mothers, meaning she is the woman from whom all humans can trace their maternal lineage back to, estimated to have lived in Africa around 100,000 to 200,000 years ago; essentially, the "mother of all humans" based on mitochondrial DNA analysis.

It is the behavior of Christians that made me leave the church. I cannot believe that God is leading this organization. Feminism and the feminist churches worship Satan. Satan is the voice that tells you to lie to yourself so that you can feel better. Most churches worship Satan in this sense, even if Satan is not a literal person. Most churches refuse to address female sin. I was sure when I was about to get married that I would only go to a church that would support me in my marriage. That excludes basically all of Protestantism. Practically speaking, the historical churches seem to be better, but I don't go to those because of more intellectual reasons.

I often say the problem is quality control. The Idiocracy will always have loads of kids. It gets harder to motivate decent parents to have non idiot kids. When I think about high pressure parenting, I think about what's common in east Asia. No wonder the birth rates are so low over there. Why bother to be born into the rat race, so you can put someone else in the rat race?

I wonder why we don’t mention the dads that need a 90 minute coffee or whatever beverage group at church to get together so they don’t feel isolated?

I will never step in any church again especially a Christian church. its nothing but mythology and bull💩

Agreed. The party that mainstreamed no fault divorce and abortion has no business lecturing others on morality

17:36 they could do with some Power Metal music.

It’s sort of like work where it’s another place you “have” to go to or “have” to be at, and just…no man. Also I keep getting recommended stuff about single guys having issues at church…maybe I’m oblivious, or something, but I’ve not noticed any treatment like that the times I go-but then again I don’t go all the time.

There's absolutely no reason to go.

Dr. James Hunter has been an invaluable source of incredible scholarship for decades which have influenced me highly. I'm deeply indebted to him and grateful for his work.

Interesting interview and good to know where the term "culture war" came from. I wish there was more focus on the cure and not just a history and diagnosis of the problem. Does not providing a cure somewhat point to the sad thought that there isn't one?

The sense of divine purpose for the nation that Davison says lasted even into the early 2oth century lasted longer in the South. I was born in 1960. I inherited this sensibility. But now its rejected as American triumphalism and xenophopia or some other pathological sensibility.

No one thinks blacks are less that human today. MAGA world does not view their despisers as less than human. But the enemies of MAGA nation do in fact view them as less than human--thus, deplorables, irredeemables, clingers, chumps, etc.

I think if you have more interest in how it comes apart, you might like WhatIfAltHist.

Here because I just read the book "Why Men Hate Going To Church". Thank you David Murrow. God bless you 🙏🙏🙏 And thank you so much for this amazing content.

This talk was a real snoozer.

How did you get Marco Rubio?

I used to like going to church, but it became evident that they cater to young couples and families. When my wife kicked me out because she didn't like living with me anymore the church basically supported her leaving me. I left that church soon afterwards, and here it is a year later, and no one even knows that I am not attending there anymore. Unbelievable!

This was great, even if I think Hunter is many years late to putting this account into the public. I hope there can be more conversations with him.

He sounds nice but what kind Christianity is he spreading? Why do we need another Timothy Keller? A quick view of the Church of NYC website shows his congregation is for lady pastors and has a double tongued response to Roe V. Wade. Does being successful in ministry in New York equal compromise?

jon I’ve treasured you so much over the years and this was great

Weird bait but everyone loves dragging Keller.

I live 40 miles outside of NYC, and can verify that the NYC establishment has been migrating wholesale outside the city. Charting the housing market alone indicates this, but I see it in the deminished traffic that still has not returned to pre-Covid levels also. And given that Tim Keller and associates were trying to reach the establishment, the educated, the well-employed in NYC, when they left, so did the opportunity for ministry. NYC is a shell of what it has been, and law enforcement has also declined, including widespread permissiveness when it comes to political demonstrations and property damage from the same.

Great points.

CR Wiley made a comment similar to this on CrossPolitic about the Keller third-way movement. "Keller who?"

"cultural flattening" has always been happening. Elites believed that southern hicks wouldn't understand or "get" Seinfeld. Imagine that.

Sounds like a house built on sand. A man's work is tried by fire, and he will be judged by what remains.

Men, I know, go to church. I am a man. I go to daily Mass. It's easy. When one understands who Gos is. Fratelli tutti Para 15

I think about how much nonsense economists come up with using GDP. Rent going up could theoretically mean more GDP. So what? What good for the commoner? There is a whole book written on the argument of a fake economy. Graeber calls his book "Bullshit Jobs." There was a concept called distributism, which took Catholic social teaching and discussed the flaws in megacorps buying houses or outsourcing everything. Maybe talk to Distributist Dave about his like of distributism. The monopolism system? Have a look at the people who named it "enshittification." Dissident right people suggested I read Burnham's Managerial Revolution. I loved it. He saw in the 1940s how the savings of economy of scale would not be passed on to us. Instead a bunch of MBA middlemen would get it all. I do auto repair. I help out people every once in a while. However, if they have a post bailout GM or Chrysler, I don't do a signle thing for them. If they have a tire ready to pop, I will pretend not to see. If I couldn't get paid what Chrysler automatic transmission guys get paid to screw up automatic transmissions, why should I be paid less to screw cars together right? Either everybody is bailed out or nobody is. The Japan VS China is in several ways flawed. China gets to make a bunch of crap, while having no safety devices and no smog devices on it. Japan had that hit the fan decades ago. There was no hiding the Minamata mercury spill. Another thing to consider is that many Japanese products sold here are built here. Well, they had things worth buying. The Nissan Hardbody was great. The Honda Accord was great. It was their own fault that the American car companies were in danger. Nobody at Toyota or Nissan put a gun to the head of GM and Chrysler exces and said "Keep screwing up cars or we shoot." What do Chinese firms make other than lame hastily made copies of decent things?

He’s not really clear on the new model

There’s nothing for a guy to do.

Its not Gods churches to begin with...mereform, no real life/power.

Did it occur to him that there are already entirely too many churches serving too few parishioners? Consolidation of existing churches makes more sense.

The leaders running the training programs for church planting became distracted and gave up pushing that as a necessary church endeavor. Too many Gen Z wipeouts and under planned and under attended plants for it not to become a failed strategy. With the downfall of Driscoll, the death of the conservative side of the emergent conversation, and the social capital lost in the failed resistance against national gay marriage the money for planting was diverted elsewhere.

The leaders running the training programs for church planting became distracted and gave up pushing that as a necessary church endeavor. Too many Gen Z wipeouts and under planned and under attended plants for it not to become a failed strategy. With the downfall of Driscoll, the death of the conservative side of the emergent conversation, and the social capital lost in the failed resistance against national gay marriage the money for planting was diverted elsewhere.

Promise Keepers lost me when they said I need to apologize for White racism. NO. Telling me that I have failed by condeming me w out knowing me, and will is judging me. NO.

The government church Pastors geld men . The institution of the government marriage license, which Pastors require for the solemnization of marriage, has effectively undermined the traditional concept of patriarchal marriage. This requirement, mandated by secular authorities, imposes legal regulations and obligations that supersede the biblical model of marriage. Firstly, it's important to note that there is no biblical mandate for pastors or clergy to perform marriage ceremonies. Marriage, as outlined in the Bible, is a covenantal union established before God and witnessed by the community. The role of religious leaders in marriage ceremonies evolved over time and varies among different Christian denominations, but it is not explicitly prescribed in Scripture. The introduction of the government marriage license introduced a secular legal framework into what was traditionally a spiritual and covenantal union. This license grants legal recognition to the marriage and confers certain rights and responsibilities upon the parties involved, as defined by civil law. In essence, it shifts the authority over marriage from the church to the state, undermining the spiritual significance of the union. Moreover, the requirement for a government marriage license imposes secular regulations that contradict and undermine biblical principles of marriage. For example, secular laws recognize divorce for reasons not sanctioned by Scripture, such as irreconcilable differences or no-fault grounds. Additionally, the legal definition of marriage extends beyond the biblical understanding of a union between one man and one woman to include homosexual marriage. The government marriage license made marriage egalitarian and patriarchy illegal. By mandating compliance with secular legal requirements, Pastors effectively surrender the spiritual authority and autonomy of marriage to the government. This undermines the biblical concept of patriarchal marriage, where the husband serves as the spiritual head of the household and the family operates under God's authority. In conclusion, the government marriage license required by Pastors for marriage ceremonies has legal and practical implications that extend beyond the spiritual realm. It introduced secular regulations and undermines the traditional patriarchal model of marriage established in Scripture. Christians must carefully consider the implications of such requirements and seek to uphold the biblical principles of marriage in the face of secular encroachment. Flee from any Pastor that requires government marriage license for marriage.

Man if I had a wife and she tried to leave me, ain't nobody surviving that.

All the men at church are fat, old, unhealthy, and lazy. There no vitality there. I don't want to wind up like that.

I don’t currently attend church due to how feminine they actually are. I remember going through my divorce years ago where my ex wife wasn’t held accountable for her sins and I was blamed. I have since then seen various ministries where women are praised and men blamed for everything. Not a good combo

Very good interview. I didn't have the language or knowledge to understand what was happening to me during my formative Christian years (roughly 2009 to 2014 when I graduated college). Looking back it's very clear that all my Christian leaders and pastors were heavily influenced by new calvinism. I eventually deconstructed new calvinism / reformed theology altogether because I came to understand that reformed theology teaches works-based salvation but says it doesn't. I've remained a committed Christian otherwise in an independent church that has basically remained untouched by new calvinism (mercifully). It was very difficult to go through this doctrinal transformation which took something like 5 to 7 years to fully digest. But looking back now it's very clear to me that what made my struggle so intensely difficult was the "Gospel industrial complex"'s authority on drawing doctrinal boundaries. Many of my Christian friends and leaders essentially ostracized me for rejecting Perseverance of the Saints / Lordship Salvation. It was painful, but also very confusing. Thank you for your thoughts about how the New Calvinists positioned themselves as the de facto orthodox-determiners especially through their institutions. This has helped greatly in making sense of my interactions with past Christians whenever I would disagree with or even question reformed theology/Calvinism.