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I don’t know but I do know they developed the load working with george Gardner,, it was george’s deal and he was the one who started the gap4s.

@@kevinlowe7552 Do you have a link to their site?

@@kevinlowe7552 I'm skeptical of copper creek after seeing your video. Not sure if I want to trust them to develop a 223 load for me.

@@philipstrotherjr8842 223 ammo doesn't need to be neck sized down.. that is where copper creek had someone do that who doesn't know how to do it properly. they propably can't screw that up. although,,, 223 is so easy to load and common,,,you could just get a load on one of the forums for your set up and it will be more than fine,, unless you are a benchrest guy. why not do it yourself? also,, 223 is so, so prevalant, that like 308, almost every load for every combo has already been dialed in and figured out over 50 years of trying. if you want to email me,, it is rockwind with the number 1 at the end of that,, and then at yahoo.

@@philipstrotherjr8842 www.gaprecision.net/

i can't believe you found this video, i didn't think anyone ever would i just did it cause it was easiest way to send a link to copper creek. anyways, josh said it was normal and absolutely no returns. any reloader i have shown it to thinks it is pretty bad. the only other factory 6.5 saum ammo i know of is from prime ammo. norma brass and 142 smk's. i reload now but if i had to buy ammo it would be from prime. i had bougth 60 rounds of this copper creek norma stuff for a total of about 390$ with shipping. over 6$ per shot. total rip off. copper creek does sell hornady brass based ammo which is not too bad but they are fairly crappy folks to deal with in my experience.

@@kevinlowe7552 I'm guessing they shot about as good as they spun? Good info, I'll check out Prime.

@@kevinlowe7552 They are terrible folks to deal with. They care absolutely nothing about their customers.

They didn’t shoot as well as I hoped. Prime finally released their Ammo thru target sports. I also started reloading. Couldn’t handle the garbage from copper creek,, it was more about being treated like garbage by josh and his company

I cannot disagree. Surprised they are still in business