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We are Fior della Spada, a HEMA-Club in Vienna/ Austria
We focus on the so called "Bolognese Tradition". The club was founded in 2007 and practises historical fencing according to Bolognese source texts (16th century in Italy, mainly Anonimo Bolognese & Achille Marozzo 1536). We started this channel because we love what we do and we want to share "our" piece of history and martial arts with you.
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We focus on the so called "Bolognese Tradition". The club was founded in 2007 and practises historical fencing according to Bolognese source texts (16th century in Italy, mainly Anonimo Bolognese & Achille Marozzo 1536). We started this channel because we love what we do and we want to share "our" piece of history and martial arts with you.
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Dardi's Manuscript | How to fast check for credibility
How could so many HEMAists fall for this, what do you think?
Oh - you know what would be really funny: If someone told us in the comments that the manuscript was fake, because they just saw the thumbnail and did not look at the WHOLE video. If so, I'm starting to see a pattern... xD
The fake paper's title: "SVELANDO IL MISTERO: Un'Analisi Critica del Presunto Manoscritto Attribuito a Filippo Dardi nella Tradizione di Scherma Bolognese"
I won't put the link here to not give it more traction. If you really want to check it out: use your Google-Fu! ;)
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00:00 Professor allegedly discovered manuscript
00:35 What happened
01:24 Why people fell for it
01:57 Fast checking reliability
02:31 Goog...
Oh - you know what would be really funny: If someone told us in the comments that the manuscript was fake, because they just saw the thumbnail and did not look at the WHOLE video. If so, I'm starting to see a pattern... xD
The fake paper's title: "SVELANDO IL MISTERO: Un'Analisi Critica del Presunto Manoscritto Attribuito a Filippo Dardi nella Tradizione di Scherma Bolognese"
I won't put the link here to not give it more traction. If you really want to check it out: use your Google-Fu! ;)
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00:00 Professor allegedly discovered manuscript
00:35 What happened
01:24 Why people fell for it
01:57 Fast checking reliability
02:31 Goog...
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Single Sword | 5 min Sidesword Workout for Beginners
Просмотров 6373 месяца назад
I finally had time to film another workout for you. This one is dedicated to our beginner students that often do not have more than a few square meters at home to exercise. 00:00 Intro 00:20 Who is this for? 00:56 Exercise I 02:56 Exercise II 04:06 Playlist Workout 08:46 Outro Books & Sources: - Opera Nova, 1536 - Achille Marozzo (Italian) www.amazon.de/Opera-Nova-Achille-Marozzo/dp/B007A3G4DW/...
REVIEW | HEMA bag 'Multipack' by Fence With Fun
Просмотров 2494 месяца назад
My personal review of the “Multipack” by Fence With Fun. Not sponsored. Product Link: www.fencewithfun.com/aid-397-Multipack-Fechtrucksack-Tasche-und-Rollbag-in-einem.html#content 00:00 Product & Price 00:52 Shipment 01:38 The Multipack 04:31 What broke 05:40 Rating Fior della Spada Homepage: www.marozzo.info/ Facebook: fiorspada Instagram: fiordellaspada Tiktok: www...
Trading Cards Fencing 2024 | Finals
Просмотров 2495 месяцев назад
More videos of “La lotta dei folli 2024” - Mixed Two Handed • PreRounds ruclips.net/video/2NDWQlgYtpI/видео.html • FINALS ruclips.net/video/GYucqyKBu5o/видео.html - Trading Cards Fencing • PreRounds ruclips.net/video/MqavhFk2Gf8/видео.html - Lightsaber Combat • ruclips.net/video/VKc53K7SU2I/видео.htmlsi=-dr9lGX_LcRPz9J1 00:00 Intro 01:05 Semi Finals 03:34 Finals Fior della Spada Homepage: www.m...
Trading Cards Fencing 2024 | PreRounds
Просмотров 2035 месяцев назад
You get a deck of cards with weapon combinations of our fencing tradition, the so called Bolognese School of the 16th century. Play your cards wisely and fight your way to the top! More videos of “La lotta dei folli 2024” - Mixed Two Handed • PreRounds ruclips.net/video/2NDWQlgYtpI/видео.html • FINALS ruclips.net/video/GYucqyKBu5o/видео.html - Trading Cards Fencing • FINALS ruclips.net/video/-1...
Things People Have Said To Me As A Historical Fencer
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Just me being silly while editing the rest of our tournament fights from April. Have you ever encountered one of these? Fior della Spada Homepage: www.marozzo.info/ Facebook: fiorspada Instagram: fiordellaspada Tiktok: www.tiktok.com/@fiordellaspada?lang=nl-NL Elisabeth Instagram: numyaorion
Mixed Weapons Two Handed 2024 | Finals
Просмотров 7416 месяцев назад
Choose any weapon or weapon combination that keeps both hands busy and fight the tournament with it! We used our ruleset with adaptations. More videos of “La lotta dei folli 2024” - Mixed Two Handed • PreRounds ruclips.net/video/2NDWQlgYtpI/видео.htmlsi=yxEQl6NSIuSVXB9b - Trading Cards Fencing • PreRounds ruclips.net/video/MqavhFk2Gf8/видео.html • FINALS ruclips.net/video/-1ts1f-tPCg/видео.html...
Mixed Weapons Two Handed 2024 | PreRounds
Просмотров 8416 месяцев назад
Choose any weapon or weapon combination that keeps both hands busy and fight the tournament with it! We used our ruleset with adaptations. After winning everything last year, this year the pole arm had to start every fight with a disadvantage of 4 points. More videos of “La lotta dei folli 2024” - Mixed Two Handed • FINALS ruclips.net/video/GYucqyKBu5o/видео.html - Trading Cards Fencing • PreRo...
Get Hit = You Die | DO OR DIE Tournament 2024
Просмотров 8056 месяцев назад
At our “La Lotta dei Folli” 2024 we experimented with another tournament idea. Only if the fighters both agree after a hit, that one or both of them could not continue to fight, the fight ends - a lot of sportsmanship required and a friendly reminder that our swords simulate sharp weapons meant to kill... We obviously loved it :) But what do you think? 00:00 Intro & Premise 00:37 First Fight 01...
VLOG 6 | Treasure Hunt for Sidesword Fencers
Просмотров 1307 месяцев назад
How to entertain historical fencers when you can’t spar outside because it’s raining... A big thanks to Alex, Michael and Simon. Without you Fior della Spada would not be what it is. You live in Vienna/ Austria and want to learn how to fight with a sword or other weapons? Check out our content and our homepage - Links below. Fior della Spada Homepage: www.marozzo.info/ Facebook: fi...
Christmas Presents for Historical Fencers
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A little video on what HEMA-presents I enjoyed most during the past years (not sponsored). See you all next year! ;) Links (from 7th December 2023) The rubber stuff: knyfe.de/cold-steel/cold-steel-trainings-parierdolch/cst-92r88cd www.cold-steel.de/trainingswaffen/trainingsmesser/ Comics: Giovanni dalle bande nere comic (Italian only) www.amazon.it/Giovanni-dalle-Bande-Nere-LORENZO/dp/889843949...
Single Sword | Marozzo's Progressione Advanced
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When you don't have much time to train and improve, you can at least try to check where you’re at. Since there is quite a lot going on right now, I needed some time off and escaped into nature. We have come up with a little challenge for all who want to deepen Marozzo's progression of the guards as a solo exercise. Let's see where we stand ;) 00:00 Intro 00:19 The Challenge 00:59 Assignments 02...
Bolognese Basics | Thrusts & First Play
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Bolognese Basics | Thrusts & First Play
Sword Q&A | About our Spaghetti Dilemma and Rapiers
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Sword Q&A | About our Spaghetti Dilemma and Rapiers
Grappling against a Dagger in Marozzo | Friendly vs. Serious
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Grappling against a Dagger in Marozzo | Friendly vs. Serious
VLOG 5 | The Noodles Are Back! | Cutting Test 2023
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VLOG 5 | The Noodles Are Back! | Cutting Test 2023
Mixed Weapons Two Handed 2023 | Tournament Experiment
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Mixed Weapons Two Handed 2023 | Tournament Experiment
Trading Cards Fencing Tournament 2023 | Preliminary Rounds
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Trading Cards Fencing Tournament 2023 | Preliminary Rounds
Trading Cards Fencing Tournament 2023 | Finals
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Trading Cards Fencing Tournament 2023 | Finals
Bolognese Sidesword Workshop | GATHERING 2023
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Bolognese Sidesword Workshop | GATHERING 2023
3 Duelling Games for Fencers & Martial Artists
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3 Duelling Games for Fencers & Martial Artists
Fight and Talk | Sword & Buckler I.33 vs. Bolognese Style
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Fight and Talk | Sword & Buckler I.33 vs. Bolognese Style
Bolognese Basics | Defensive Actions
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Bolognese Basics | Defensive Actions
The Buckler in 16th Century Italy with Herbert Schmidt
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The Buckler in 16th Century Italy with Herbert Schmidt
Bolognese Basics | Stance & Footwork
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Bolognese Basics | Stance & Footwork
Fight and Talk | Grappling with Swords
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Fight and Talk | Grappling with Swords
damn all your videos are really well done. Preparing a bolognese introduction for my class and it helped a lot :)
fantastic serie of videos, thank you
Hi there. A bit late to the party. Good video ! I'm an instructor in scottish fencing, currently working on bolognese. I'm curious about one thing. As you said it yourself, the lunge is not really part of the master's manuals. I'm currently learning from St Louis School of Arms and they don't use lunge at all. They only step a bit more widely but i would hardly call it a lunge. Still, you decided to explain the lunge in a basics video , that's an interesting choice. Is that because most of you feels like the lunge is necessary to be efficient and the steps are not enough ? Is it because some of you compete and not using lunge in HEMA tournaments would put you in a bad spot? Thank you
And I still want to do the Assalto d'asino furibundi!
What about "hitting someone as if he was a mole"? 🤣 These are good enough to become running gags - at least one thing gained from the whole story.
I'm watching you from France and I really like what I see. Your explanations and illustrations are very clear, and I'll certainly present your exercises to my club this year.
Merci beaucoup! That is very kind of you and rewarding for us. I try to do my best and to improve as time goes by, hopefully also the videos will.
I see you are at the ravages of time 😄 if such an event bringst you back in front of the camera - let the world burn 😁 Very good and important video btw. 😉
Thank you. Oh, I hope it doesn't come across as me wanting to watch the world burn - I tried to be nice and left out all names 😆It's just, that the only explanation for this I could come up with, is that people did not read the whole article before selling it as "legit" and that's just a nono in times of AI and large language models. And this scares me a lot, cause the next fake mansucript might be of "higher quality" and what do we do then? 😅
@@MarozzolostinVienna their is enough 'beef' on the Internet, we don't have to play this game 😉 I guess I am with the sources I could hold in my hands then 😅
That certainly is *an* interpretation of intrare.
Grazie ottimo per un novizio come me
Ciao ti chiedo che spada usi e come potrei procurarmene una
Ciao! 😄È una spada da lato di Regenyei, però custom.
@@MarozzolostinVienna grazie ❤️
Les exercices ont l'air cool. Merci pour le partage !❤
get avon skin soft to keep off the insects , horses fly are the worst
I guess I could do that... but just to make sure add a flame thrower 🤭😂
I've only read dall'Agocchie, so to me that one guard is guardia d'alicorno. :)
Oh noooo, you are right, and there we have the next way how to call it! 🤭This guard and its designations are just nuts, maybe worth a mention in another video one day... 😄
@@MarozzolostinVienna It would be interesting! It's very strange how all the other guards are pretty standard, but this one has so many different names.
Cool! I see a sunny forecast; I'll give it a try tomorrow. 👍 P.S. I really like your side-sword configuration. The more I look at it, the more I think that Regenyei should offer that as a standard.
Great video! I want to learn more. 😁
Have you ever used the ronca/roncone all'italiana?
Hey! No, we don't have simulators for it - but what do you mean by "using it all'italiana"? C'è forse una tecnica segreta che ci siamo persi? 😁
1:37 Saluti dall'Italia😂🤌⚔️
I have an bigger version of one of their open top rollbags that they no longer sell unfortionately. Still works like a charm after at least 5 years of frequent abuse, has a strong bottom- and backplate and is sturdy enough to pull the whole arsenal (from dagger to montante) to and from the event
I use the same for year 👍
The Tempus-Fugitives store (before is closed) offered a shorter bag aimed at people only interest in sidesword (or shorter weapons). It's the only one targeted at sidesword people from what I know, and I kinda regretted not getting one. But now I'm waiting for a rapier with a 114cm bade, and I got a Regenyei Italian feder on the longer side (35cm grip and 104cm blade) for that spadone feel (I love it!) so for me, shorter bags are out as a viable option. P.S. You used your old bag to prop up the target, thinking it will be enough to stop an arrow, didn't you? 😏
Oh, I never heard about that one! What a pity it closed... And thx for the comment! P.S. It was definetely dumb, but not THAT dumb 🤣😅
I like that it looks like you took a chainsaw to Matt Easton's barn door and put a portion of it behind you in some of these shots I think you are the first person I have seen actually explaining the fundamental terminology in a video, rather than just demonstrating plays
Follow up, this has been super useful for learning each term and stance. Thank you so much!
Definitely going to try this out this week!
I get how people would want to apply their modern knowledge and how so many of us have cross trained in other systems. It really misses the point. Facing an armed attacker without a weapon yourself is always a bad day, and I cannot see an informed position claiming otherwise...So the importance here, to my perspective, is the one of historic context and it is pretty amazing. First, Marozzo goes there, when so many fencing systems avoid grappling or the unarmed condition. He was looking at the widest angle of martial training for his audience, and this gives us to look for the consistencies between these few unarmed techniques and the larger body of his martial advice. In other words, we can look at grappling as a fencer would, measure, tempo, technique, and perception. We can see the stepping in as using the body as a ward against the line of attack. We can also appreciate overlooking strikes and kicks as "goes without saying" to instead respond against lethal attack with only a similar level of lethality. This was a very useful video, and I am glad that you put this out. Thank you.
Great)) it would be interesting to see different styles, for example fencing with a Japanese master
Amazing!
Just to avoid confusion: Using the terms used by Marozzo 1536, the pole arm simulator we used is a "spiedo" - it has that very long blade and the hocks, and you can use it for slicing and hacking. We had to avoid that out of safety reasons, and count thrusts and drawn/ pushed cuts only, so we applied the rules of a "partesana", which is also what you see on the card. In modern terms it would be called a spear I guess. We had partesana-simulators last year in the tournament. They were made of bamboo and rubber --> super safe but too wobbly. Often neither attacker nor the person hit would feel any impact at all and the referees hardly saw the hits too. So this year it was wood with plastic tips. Seems to work much better while being a good compromise on safety.
When I look at items in museums, I don't think the distinction between spiedo and partisan is that clear, and they are labelled as a partisan (although the Wallace collection does list a few Spetum = Spiedo that look out of Marozzo images). I also understand that the Bolognese partisan is supposed to have hooks at the base for catching on the draw, compared to others that have the side hooks to catch on the push, at which point they are an effective spiedo. So that adds to the confusions in classifying these polearm from a morphological perspective. Classifying them based on their use makes more sense to me in HEMA, so they are a partisan if you use them in connection to a partisan system. At least that's how I think about it.
@@FiliiMartis There is a lot of confusion when it comes to the designation of pole arms, especially with the modern translations into German and English and the designations in museums. It seems to me that something changed or was switched at some time, I kinda suspect the 19th century... But who knows. Anyways: We decided to stick to the designations and images found in Marozzo, and there the image of the partesana clearly shows no hocks and it is used for thrusting only, while the spiedo clearly has them and is used for cutting too. Marozzo also talks about them in the section about the Spadone/ Spada da due mani (e.g. Cap. 177, rule 3). So, summed up it seems he was consistent with that distinction.
I didn't expect to see a Pole Arms section. For safety reasons, I assumed a bill or a partisan would be too dangerous to use in free sparring or in tournament conditions. I see you guys showed restraint at times and used synthetics, so not bad as a compromise. I saw that Jay Maxwell was looking at the partisan more and more, and I didn't get why. I remember Tempus Fugitives shop in the UK (now defunct) selling a beautiful sharp partisan, and man that thing looked incredible. I assume that a steel trainer to be used in a prized tournament (i.e. incentive to hit hard) is still out of the question. But this is the first time I see a partisan fight, and I can only imagine an in-period fight with the real deal (those long blades looks frighteningly awesome). I wanted to stick to learning side-sword (and a bit of rapier). I decided to get an Italian style feder to also study some Bolognese longsword, some spadone, but stop at that. Now I think I need to add the partisan to the list of weapons to study. 😏
It works quite well until now - it's always super fun to play your pole arm in this tournament. 😄I think, adding pole arms to your training does actually not require that much commitment - you can learn the basics in no time. This is one of many reasons why they probably were used so much. You can give them to literally anybody and he will be able to do considerable damage without much knowledge or training. Also, it is different enough from swords and its relatives, so it won't confuse you or mess with your stance if you focus on a specific style ecc. Training sidesword, rapier, longsword and spadone at the same time sounds much more difficult from that perspective 🤯
some of those have been said about other martial arts too. quite often by the combat sports athletes or martial artists of other styles lol
Yeah, i get some of these all the time lol. "You do swordfighting? So is it fencing then?" "The actual answer to that question is yes... but to answer the question you think you're asking, no, it's not [Olympic] fencing." Which of course doesn't help them understand at all.
Tbh, I'd be more surprised someone hasn't heard of HEMA but they heard of stuff like Mensur. I'm pretty sure that hasn't been practiced in a while.
Actually, it is still practiced.
@@balazskertesz5010 But not the version where they actually get scars on their face, and it's definitely not more popular or well known than HEMA.
in America we get very similar replies if the martial art is anything outside of Boxing or Ju-Jitsu, especially arts like Eskrima or Wing Chun
The second I touched grass and realized that normal people think swords are cool too and not neckbeardy I had to make sparring swords for us all
i'm very happy to have found your channel. thank you for posting
Everybody is dubious about hema until you hand them a sword. At this exact moment, they get it.
People who believe in 50-70kg plate armour, 5-20kg swords and picture a "boombox on a broomstick"-like object when they hear "war hammer" seem to either greatly overestimate human physical prowess, underestimate the impact that a dense 1kg object moving at nearly 100km/h can have on human body/how much 1mm think steel plate can endure, forget that force is mass multiplied for acceleration *square,* hence the speed of an object is more important than it's mass(to a certain point), or all the three combined
krass wie wenig akzent du für eine östereicherin hast grüße aus heidelberg De
Some people are just dense and have a hard time absorbing new information.
I have had to deal with people insisting that longswords were heavy and the combat was unsophisticated compared to japanese fencing because ANIME
They probably also believe reverse grip works... 😏
😂
9/10
I had someone swear up and down to me that medieval swords weighed at least 20 lbs (9.1 kg). Nothing I said could convince her otherwise.
That must have been a really annoying conversation 🥲
15yo me shocked when i was hear that normal sabre was like 650-1100 gram ..., yes i was thinked it was around 3-5kg. Now, im over my 30 and im a little bit better "infomed" 😄
Swords. 😀
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This is a very interesting format for tournaments, but even more for friendly sparring and training, I think. It can train so much, beginning with fairness and not ending with how the body works. Thanks a lot for sharing.
Ho wow 😂😂😂 ❤
Is mensur a far-right thing?
Honestly, I don't know what the political spectrum of the associations in question is. But people that gave me those comments in Austria always talked about 'conservative and far right wing' student associations. And they also mentioned that apparently only guys are allowed in.
Well yes and no. Mensur or Pauken (depending on where you live) is itself neither rightwing nor extremist. HOWEVER most fraternities who still abide to the compulsory mensur often belong to a network of highly conservataive male centric organisations. Those again in itself are not rightwing, but are a breeding grouds and collectors of right wing ideologies. The main issues here are that those organisations abideing to it, are fraternities and not student assosiation. Fraternities due to their make are rather attractive to certain individuals who often habour conservative to rightwing ideals. When I joined the uni, my dad gave me connections to his old fraternity. The CV, a highly catholic fraternity. While they are "nichtschlagend" so Pauken is not only not compulsary but also not part of the fraternity. However their principles were 1. Religio: Beeing compelled to be catholic, abide by catholci doctrine and their moral guidelines. 2. Scientia: Which is rather funny considering the first part, but you abide to the idea of lifelong learning. 3. Amicitia: Beeing "compelled" to help each other even outside university 4. Patria: Beeing tied to honoring ones homeland (although due to historic reasons that is not in all organisations within the CV the case). I did not join, as I am an atheist and am not allowed to anyway - but even a rather centric organisation like the CV, is attarctive to nationalis religious types. Take Germania as a larger organisation. They are not religious but their motto is "Honor, freedom and Fatherland". Which considering it is a german organisation, has some form of aftertaste. And while I do not think all organisations within the Germania have right wing tendencies, the umbrella organsiation the Burschenschaft Hamburg Germania has it's political roots (with leading people beeing members) in the rightwing extremist party NPD. And they have been classified by the military intelligence organisation as well as the domestic intelligence organsiation as rightwing extremist organisations untill 2021. This has been known and an issue since 1993 and has been on the watchlist from 2014. Now are only classified as radicals after they fought a court case. To show how close they are to rightwing ideologues, their fraternity house in Hamburg was the legal seat for the "deutsche Rechtsbüro" a legal firm known to take cases for indicted right wing criminals as well as a known spot for members of the Neue Front (one of the largest right wing extremist orgasnisations in the late 90s early 00s) Very similar to the Germania, is the Thessalia Prag(still wearing black white and red as their colours), the Rheinfranken , as well as the austrian fraternity the Burschenschaft Olympia. I mention them, because they are are classified as right wing organisation and all beloning to the same umbrella, the Deusche Burschenschaften, Why to I put such an emphesis on the Germania and the Deutsche Burschenschaft. They all are pflichtschlagend (compulsary mensur), pure fraternities AND are largly classified as right wing. So no - Pauken is not far right. But all orgasnisations who still have compulsary fighting in their bylaws(from once per unitime to 3 times per semester), are generally speaking right wing. So what we can generally say is that people who practice the mensur, are much more likely to belong to orgasnisations with ties to far right groups, if not beeing one themself. I did participate in HEMA during uni - and we had some frat boys comming in beeing all tough because they fight with sharp Paukzeug(what in HEMA terms is very similar to the rapier). But because Pauken is trained rather static, they did not realy stand a chance, never comming back. And yes, you did get very mysogonistic and right wing vibes from them. One who left before any training, refused training with a woman on grounds of her beeing a woman. Yea while they are not all far right wing, all I've met were highly and openly conservative, with the largest organisations practiseing the mensur in it are not only classified as right wing radicals (not extremist - different classification), but some are under observation by intelligence organisations as unfriendly to the constitution.
@@alberich3099 Thank you for your insights and the information!
@YellowLab-rb6xn love how you are unable to actually read what I said, that deserves an award.
This skit was hilarious! "...WTF, no!" 🤣 I actually met people on the shores of the Atlantic that told me they did that. No scars, I didn't probe too much into it, and I didn't ask them about their inclusivity policy on women. But funny enough, they did mention using antique Austrian sabres (because they're cheap to get good ones 😏). Just saying... since you brought it up, there might be some truth to that one. 😄 Btw, showing my collection of sharps and antiques to friends that don't care about swords... meh, it's fine, I don't care what you think 😢. Showing my collection to a person with an excited gleam in their eyes... crap, they like swords... they are going to hurt themselves or worse, damage my swords, I need to stop them! 😅
Uh, that's so true. Never hand them the expensive ones! Myself included... Maybe this is why my friend got me a rubber knife as my first HEMA-present... It all makes sense now. 🥲🤣
Only "dumb" comment I got so far was: "Oh cool, so then I'll see you on the next 'Ritterfest' as a fighter, right?"
Ah, well, they often throw the "knight" card at you! 🙄Maybe they meant it as a compliment. Honourable knight, playing fair, rescuing damsels in distress... If only they knew... 🤣
rock solid memorization! well done!