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@@henkeman300 in my professional opinion, your safest route will be doing a 4 inch pin and increasing the VAL angle to get a more controllable roll off the end of the pattern. I think it will do you a lot more justice especially on a variety of conditions instead of the 1 1/2 inch pin. Also to add (this is just extra info) and feel free to not use this info if you so choose to, because you’re a tweener like myself, typically you will here most people say this, but people with urethanes today generally go as strong as they can and make it try to respond to friction as much as it can. This is why I have always gone anywhere from 3 3/4 to 4 inch pin and a 20-30 degree VAL. We do this because we can always smooth out the surface of the ball to give us our desired reaction if need be. I can’t think of many people with large VAL angles on urethane equipment unless it’s going to be the 2nd or 3rd urethane they have in the bag for later in the day. However, do what you think is best for your game! That’s how we learn and find out what works best for us as players!

@@bowlersvault thank you very much for the input, already abandoned the axis layout and will follow your advice and make it a 4 inch pin-pap with a 45-55 degree val ❤️

@@henkeman300 That’s what I was hoping you would do!

With that layout based on your style, the exotic should read and hook early while providing good shape downlane. For you and your arsenal, this should be a stronger layout for you and I would not go any stronger on other equipment.

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practice makes perfect!

I was trying so hard that the other team we were facing didn’t show up 😬😬😬

I use it to find bowler’s PAPs

​@@bowlersvault I have another question. So depending on your specs as in tilt, rotation, rev, speed, one layout numbers will be different than another's as in I have 20°tilt and lower rotation I am more flat handed say someone with low tilt and high rotation would use a different layout or would work best for them and may not for me. So my question is, I'm sure im making it more confusing... what type of layout should I be using.??? Of I'm making sense. Another thing bowling balls as in. High rg balls for me I noticed go straight, go long for ever. So I personally should stay away from them and go for mkre of a lower to med rg?

@@StephRenee812 With your tilt being on the higher side, I would normally stick with lower RG bowling balls. Its always good to have 1 or 2 high RG balls, but you will most likely find more success with lower RG balls. If you ever find some of your bowling balls going to long as well, I would recommend changing the surface to something lower grit for more traction

i will post a two handed layout video soon!

Great that's ...my son is a two handed bowler and people are telling him that his balls are layed out wrong and it got into his head so I want to make sure and show him the video when yo post it ...thanks again

@@hawserdog2 definitely. Be sure to sub and turn the post notifications bell so you know when I upload it! Should be sometime this week!

yessir great shooting bro!!!!

It really depends. Honestly the best person to ask is your local pro shop because they know a lot about the game. The sublime might be too strong for someone who throws a slower shot with high revs but might work for someone who throws low revs low speed or high revs high speed.

Hi! I am very happy to hear that you are picking up the game of bowling! I work in a pro shop, so I deal with this question quite a bit. As long as budget is not in question, any ball could be your first ball. At the end of the day, its a stronger, hybrid symmetrical on the market at the moment and its a damn good ball. Especially if your purpose at the moment is for this to be something fun to do, then go for it! I've sold many higher end balls for people who wanted them as their first ball and they're having just as much fun as if they had a lower end ball! If you like the look of the Sublime, then go for it!

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Hi Jim! Glad to hear from you. This was a slip up. I meant to say “let the fingers do the rest for you.” Right when I accidentally said “thumb,” there is a pop up on the screen that says “fingers.” Check out my patreon page in the description of my videos if you’re interested in virtual lessons, arsenal building, and more to elevate your game!

@@bowlersvault oh OK. I was wondering, because some of the pros like Chris Barnes and Stu beef Stu Williams talk on their podcast, they do talk about the thumb that sometimes Stu Williams grabs the heck out of his thumb if he wants to hook the ball more..he said a lot of pros grab the thumb to create more hook, it’s not always relaxed, so that’s why I was just wondering.. I have tried grabbing the thumb more and it definitely does make the ball hook early

@@JSBowling2011 I would agree with that. Sometimes you have to muscle the ball if you want to manipulate the ball in a certain way!

Thank you good sir!

Not sure where the information is coming from about VLS being better than Dual Angle. They both do the same exact thing. Instead of degrees, you work with inches. Really is the only difference. If Dual Angle is easy for you, great dude. Every layout system that is widely used in the industry is easy for me. I still use Dual Angle for customers from time to time.

the last two lines you draw on the ball are the midline, then the center line. They are both perpendicular to one another. Where they both intersect is where the center of grip is

The real correct answer!!! ^

@@bowlersvault If you ain't drillin', you ain't tryin' - LOL. The Eternity PI is a great ball, but in my opinion, folks may be able to stay in the Magic Gem for longer.

Good layout for that ball in general. You’re right with it being nasty! People are missing out if they don’t have one in their bag right now…

@@bowlersvault Agreed 100%!!

Eternity Pi and Magic Gem are crazy good and some of the more versatile asymms on the market. I would also say the same from the widow and mindset from what I have heard and seen! I shot 300 with the magic gem a month or so back, and the Eternity has been lights out for me and a couple of my customers.

I agree. Even 4K and I think it would shape so much better

@fullsendbowling yes, I picked up a pack of CTD sanding pads, and it has made a huge difference with how my game is played, adjusting the ball to my style instead of adjusting my style to the ball.

@@CliftonDon74 Yeah CTD pads are definitely the way to go. Best in the business for sure

@@bowlersvault thanks for sharing your feedback with this ball review. I look forward to the next one. 👍

Gotta start slow my guy

Don't be too hard on yourself. It's fine. You have better quality and content than a lot of the other folks starting up their bowling channels. Appreciate what you are doing to educate the masses and grow this sport.

the perfect start to the video. Thank you sir!

@@bowlersvault No problem, I was doing bad at bowling practice today so I looked at some videos on how to hook the ball correctly

Hi Martez, I am not too sure what you mean by standard drilling. Feel free to expand on that. I am assuming you mean putting the pin above the bridge or pushing the pin to the right of the ring finger (for right handed players). Basically your two “standard” layouts. There is a huge advantage using dual angle. You can fine tune the ball 10x more for players or yourself. I would recommend using some type of layout system in order to drill the ball the way you want the motion to look. Again, it’s more of a fine tuner.

New to bowling! Nice! You will learn as time goes by. If you would like a breakdown of the VLS system, i recommend watching Storm’s 3 part pin buffer layout system video. It really helps! Glad to see you join the bowling community!

Storm Staff bro!

@@bowlersvaultso even if ur on storm staff u can get other brand bowling balls too

It definitely would have been if i was throwing the OG Gem 😂. I was throwing the new Magic Gem lmao

@@bowlersvault I hear ya

Love the gold label. Zen ball good!

Anytime Sir!

@fullsendbowling one more question the last number on the Dual Angle the lower the # more smooth or more sharper off the spot. Thanks 👍

@@anthonydorazio9650 Hi Anthony! So for Dual Angle, the lower the number for the last angle = sharper/quicker response off the spot! This is the same for VLS too

I will be posting a 2LS video soon. I would definitely recommend a 2LS drilling in the future for you!

Thanks for the like! The one thing viewers do not get to see most of the time are shots on broken down pairs. We need to see how these new releases react on transition, not only when they are fresh. It gives a better idea what the ball may look like rather than seeing me throwing it on fresh like everyone else may do. I appreciate the comment though!

This ball good for transition too I played all 3 games with this ball

@@youngvic22 yessir it is! Really good to see that out of a solid asymmetrical!

English please?

Yeah this ball seems to be one of those where you can use it for a block or more! That’s great to see!

Reply to this comment with a link to the video!

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@@bowlersvault There you go I uploaded the video .. jim

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@@JSBowling2011 can you share the link to the video please?

good to use for people getting their feet wet into experimentation of layouts! Definitely would recommend for beginner and intermediate bowlers!

Never hears if it

It would be the same process but you would make your arcs on the left side of the bowling ball. Think about watching the video if it was mirrored!

Thanks Jim! Much appreciated sir!

I understand where you are coming from, however I do not see the value in showing what it looks like after creating a layout video. Everyone throws it differently, factors of the house/lanes, etc. If it were to be a comparison video, then absolutely whether that be a comparison between bowling balls or layouts. Having me throw a ball after I drill it up during a layout video wouldn’t do any justice. Sure, it will give you a decent look, but not to the entirety that it needs to be to fully push the concept. If you wish to see how a ball rolls after a layout, I recommend watching Storm’s Pin Buffer video series. There are three parts to the series, and each video explains how different pin-to-paps, psa-to-paps (in this case because it’s a dual angle video it would be called the Drilling Angle), and pin buffers (in this case it would be the VAL angle because of Dual Angle) look with three different drilling patterns.

In the video, I state that the layout is a VLS 3x4.5x2.5. About 14.8 speed, rev rate i’m not sure, but I would say low-medium rev rate.