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@@carroux4050 below is some of the text copied from a reply I made to a similar previous comment: Rotating the first party stand does NOT allow you to obtain all of the same positions possible with the Ares MKIII stand. If you think it does, then I probably did a poor job of simply explaining the difference. Not only does the Ares MKIII allow for what I think should be an obvious height adjustment, but over the first party stand, it also allows for a pitch adjustment. This is the closeness of your pinky versus thumb to your forearm. The first party stand doesn't accommodate the customization of these on its own, even if you rotate the entire stand. Maybe you could raise the entire first party stand (but really or easily not lower it) or even adjust the pitch (while also raising the height), but not just with the stand itself. That would involve putting something under the stand to adjust it, perhaps unevenly, which may serve to exasperate issues the first party stand face with stability and sliding versus the Ares MKIII.

@alkatraz9171 Even on a typical mouse pad, the first party stand slides around more than the Cyborg II by itself or on the Ares MKIII stand. In fact, it may be worse as the difference in surface area contact is more impactful when the surface is more irregular or less flat. Rotating the first party stand does NOT allow you to obtain all of the same positions possible with the Ares MKIII stand. If you think it does, then I probably did a poor job of simply explaining the difference. Not only does the Ares MKIII allow for what I think should be an obvious height adjustment, but over the first party stand, it also allows for a pitch adjustment. This is the closeness of your pinky versus thumb to your forearm. The first party stand doesn't accommodate the customization of these on its own, even if you rotate the entire stand. Maybe you could raise the entire first party stand (but really or easily not lower it) or even adjust the pitch (while also raising the height), but not just with the stand itself. That would involve putting something under the stand to adjust it, perhaps unevenly, which may serve to exasperate issues the first party stand face with stability and sliding versus the Ares MKIII.

@@ThomMurphy i am waiting to recieve my cyborg 2 , so i guessed that on a mouse tap it is more stable. i hope to feel comfy with the first party stand, it alredy cost a lot to get the azeron

@alkatraz9171 I hope you can get comfortable with the first part stand, as well! I think it's much better with either stand than without. I can also agree that the Azeron stuff can seem expensive, especially before you've had a chance to use and become accustomed to it. That said, if you give it a fair shake, I think there's a good chance that with time, it will come to be seen as a good value. At least regarding the device and a stand themselves, I believe there's good value. I'm not sure that paying more for color and/or nameplate customization is as universally valuable, but I'm sure it is valuable to some folks.

@ThomMurphy i just bought a bundle that was in discount cause of the Black friday i have paied almost Like a basic one. Cyborg 2. How. It arrive soon

That bundle is a FANTASTIC deal! Did you buy the Steal Wave color bundle? I kinda liked that and selected similar colors for mine.

I hope so too!

You're welcome! I'm with you on the design of the gapped lines around the wording and other elements of the 1st party stand. I think it was a clear choice and something to add an element of character to the stand, but my being unfamiliar being 3D printed things it just seems to make it more obviously 3D printed. I'm guessing it took more effort to do the design this way, and it'd look very plain (and maybe more cheap, kind of like the back side) without it.

@JJiG IDK exactly what it costs them to make, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than $1.00 USD. Even with volume, there's more than machines, electricity, and fillament, including labor and other materials such as the magnets and O-rings. I'm sure they'll still have a very healthy margin, just maybe slightly less than you imagine when all costs are considered. It definitely seems like a huge profit, but also pretty convenient. I suppose it's worth it to some folks. That said, for those willing to put in some effort to save some cash, Azeron has made the print publicly available at: www.thingiverse.com/thing:6028517 . Who knows why they've priced their stand the way they have, but at least they've given an alternate route to acquire one. Providing these files has also helped open the door to other solutions.

It wasn't designed to sell they designed it so people could print it themselves for free.. u just pay for the supply's which cost 5 to 10 bucks total

@ you realize the cyborg lineup is 90% 3d printed right? So it’s most definitely designed to be sold. And that’s ok but charging 30$ for a stand that takes not even an hour to print is outrageous. If they had the file to print free then that’s awesome but I doubt it exists. If it does it was designed by someone else and I’ve yet to look but I will later.

​@@JJiG well u been doubted!!! its on there thingiverse for free... thats were they first released it.. And i changed the feet.. first thing i did and it works great

@JJiG In my reply to you nearly 2 weeks ago, I literally posted the link to Azeron's file that they provide for free. It's their own file, along with others, not a third part file designed by someone else.

You're welcone! I'm glad you found it.