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I can assure you it is real. Performance at high RPM, especially of naturally aspirated engines, is heavily dependent on air temperature. This was done at 4°C where air density is relatively high. Maybe you've only tested it in much higher temperatures?

@@Avnar-w6u None, it's stock.

​@@Takethiskeycard The sedan version of the pre facelift is awesome too! From my experience, the 292hp version does a really good job in terms of reliability. It's a pretty common opinion that the direct injection in the 292hp version causes problems like soot deposition after some time. I can't confirm that though. The car has about 310.000km on the clock now, with it's first engine of course. Never had any problem with the engine at all, except for one ignition coil failing sporadically, some time ago. This being a pretty general issue though, not causing huge costs and also just appearing after this amount of mileage, I don't think that's a reliability issue specifically related to the engine. Apart from that, as I said, absolutely no problems whatsoever. Regular oil change and careful driving when the engine is cold are of course extremely important. Long distances are also a pleasure and no problem for the engine. I take the car to the north of Norway every year, driving about 4.000km in a few days. Same goes for the transmission, also being incredibly reliable and still working and shifting like new even after 300.000km, if taken good care of course. Additional I also had quite a bit of an accident some time ago, especially damaging the front of the car. But even that the engine took absolutely no damage from and still runs just like on the frost day. So overall, I'm really really happy with the general reliability, since the car pretty hasn't caused me any pain or inconvenience at all. It almost seems indestructible and unstoppable at this point, while not requiring any special or unreasonable care. In conclusion, I think, this does absolutely work as a car you keep for a lifetime. This all, of course, being my personal experience.

Ok you pretty much covered me. Thanks man

It's quite stable, especially considering its weight, thanks to the rather firm suspension. Although as soon as there is wind, it's pretty noticable at about 180km/h and above. Still, since the car itself is very small, and also feels very small of course, you don't have that typical ultra safe couch in your living room crusing feeling at 220km/h like in all the classic german left lane destroyers.

You can drastically increase high speed stability (and low speed too) with coilvers. I's a great tune for the ND/ND2. Best investment for the car in my opinion.

Well, I can only assure you that the video isn't sped up. The section where I did this is pretty even too, but I can't say for sure that there isn't a slight descent overall. You're not the first one pointing out the "faster than usual" gearchange, which makes me curious why that is, although I know for sure the transmission in mine is stock and all the the 7G-Tronics I know from that era in other models I've driven here in germany have exactly this kind and speed of gearchange, certainly not slower than here in the video. When looking at other videos, this one ( ruclips.net/video/HbKBy3p2tc4/видео.html ) of an E350 CDI for example, the gearchange also seems to be pretty much identically fast compared to mine here. But I still wonder why so many people seem to have slower gearchanges, which I only know from the very first version of the 7G-Tronic, which shouldn't be installed in these cars.

@@FrejrNA to be honest, i dont look at speedometer when i accelerate.. 😂 so i cant say 100%

@@FrejrNA btw nvm, still a good video.. do you have Instagram maybe? Im curious how its look

It's not turbocharged. Just a 3,5l naturally aspirated V6. There aren't too many options for remaps out there, and I think most of them hurt the pretty good reliability and durability of the engine more than they actually increase power or reduce fuel consumption.

Very interesting and important indeed. While I don't really have an option to measure most of these things now, I think it can be said, that the temperature of 4°C certainly affected this in quite some ways. Air density being rather high also leading to a generally higher power output of the engine, still of course decreasing the top speed though.

That's "lane keeping assist off" there on the right, not ESC off. Had to keep ESC on due to the low temperature, as explained in the description. But at 225kph ESC isn't gonna save you from very much anyway.

On the highway it heavily depends on the the speed of course, which is rather variable here in germany. I think a good estimation, when going steady, is: 80km/h - 6l/100km; 120 km/h - 7l/100km; 160km/h - 10l/km; 200 km/h - 13l/100km and when flooring it into the limiter at about 255km/h you usually end up at roughly 19l/100km. All in all, considering the size of that engine, pretty good for highway driving and highway speeds, even when going faster. Thats what that car and the engine are made for. What they are not necessarily made for is city driving and stop and go traffic. Apart from killing your engine in the long run it's almost impossible and achieve a consumption below 12l/100km, I'd say on average it's at about 13l/100km in typical city driving conditions, which isn't too great. But overall, apart from city driving, consumption is pretty decent for such a car and such an engine, mainly thanks to it using direct injection in the 292HP version.

@@FrejrNA thank you very much for the good answer.

I still have this one actually. Let's say it has proven itself over all the other cars. Running extremely well, still going on crazy trips with it and even been through a pretty harsh accident.

MX5. Slow car….. Ive had more than my fair share of speeding tickets in mine 😂

Nowadays for most people 200hp is slow because we are living in an era where there are 500hp car that weight 1.8 Tons Im currently driving an ND 1.5, not really powerful engine, but this 1498cc pull decently if we are considering the size of the engine Power to weight ratio + MT + short gear ratio equals fun And you can speeding more than needeed If i had to have 2.0 184, my driver licence would have been dead and burried for sure

@@floriandugoli5923 yeah I have 600 hp. But it belongs in my six and a half ton boat. I’ve had the big v8 car. Nice noise but I was a kid and didn’t know better. It wasn’t a great car. The MX5 NC is by far the most reliable exciting car I’ve ever owned. And now I’m looking forward to getting the ND3 GT RS in April/ may.

@@cptndave1 i understand your point of view. I dont know where you are living (USA i assume, V8 never lies 😆) but i had Renault Mégane 3 RS for a while (im french) and it was more than twice powerful as my MX5 but everything felt under control and not so enjoyable at speed limits while being 100kph on backroads is more rewarding in the MX5 ND3 GT RS with Aero package ? That's good stuff ! I dont know if they are planning to sell it for EU countries but if yes i could pull the trigger Get an allocation will not be easy anyway

@@floriandugoli5923 noooo not USA. I have an MX5 not Miata 😂😂 I’m in Sydney Australia. So happy with this car. Plenty of power. Unfortunately two big V8’s needed for a boat heavy and lots of drag. Love 🇫🇷.

If only you want to buy it. We have new 2.9cdi, still ok.

it's very stupid of you to compare a V8 to 4 cylinder lmao, not everyone has the budget to buy nor maintain a V8 diesel, the Renault 1.5 DCI has proven to be reliable and efficient for the past 2 decades and has been used in Taxis for almost 15 years in my country and it has only been used in the A/CLA class, it's not that 1.5 dci is garbage, the whole CLA is garbage since they switched to the cheap FWD layout, I mean that's not even real Mercedes right ? so you shouldnt even be considering it

you can reset the gearbox. It reminds how people drive, like flat foot it all the time or just smooth riding. Like if a grandpa drove it before it might not respond that quick if you wanna drive fast and quick after that one other ownership. Cannot explain it correctly but look it up by yourself

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Do you have a 2.5?

I used to and this is faster and way more fun snd more reliable. Just better. Sorry porsche its not even close

@@mrporsche4236bro comparing a 2023 to a 1996 is just so weird bruh.

Yes, it's one of the earliest versions of it. But still handles this engine very well, even after more than 300.000km.

The car has about 280.000km on the clock now (about 200k at the time of the video), and the only thing that ever occured, just recently, was the ignition coil of one cylinder malfunctioning from time to time. That's of course a pretty easy fix and nothing too engine specific. Apart from that I never had any problems with it, reliably going from germany to the north cape every year. I think it's just really important to get one that has been treated properly and that you also keep some things in mind. Never put significant load on it when the oil isn't 100% warm, proper engine oil (especially in the winter), no short distance drives, no fuel with high ethanol percentage and of course some general maintenance. When taken some care of, this is very reliable engine. The good thing also is, that you have no turbo to worry about.

I own a 2014 E350 Coupe with the direct injection 3.5 v6. I live stateside and the car now has 130,000 miles on it, never had any issues. The engine and transmission has been flawless for me. Just keep up with the maintenance and you're good.

Что хорошего, при весе чуть больше тонны?)) 100-200 по факту здесь более 20 секунд. Для такой крошки - это очень долго

@@feopx я новичок в теме. Можешь привести пример машины, которая при схожих параметрах сможет хорошо себя показать на 100-200?

Yea, it's stock.

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Its ok

@@ahemgee9542 It's amazing

My e55 w211 do it in 10 but 420cdi is still a beast

Because both engine Direct injection V8 commonrail diesel

i wish 1st and 2nd were longer just a little bit

i actually think they couldn't be better in a car like the Miata

The gear ratios are pretty good actually. Closely stacked and 6th gear is 1:1 instead of an overdrive like most cars. It's designed to get the most out of the engine.

@@detaart 2nd gear is basically unusable unless you're trying to go from a slow roll. Even on track it's too short and you're better off staying in 3rd than downshifting to 2nd. A longer 1st and 2nd would be better. 6th gear doesn't have enough pulling power and might as well be OD but it does keep u in an ideal rpm to keep in 6th at highway speeds. I'm happy with 6th where it's at

@@DessikaModus they're near perfect gear ratios for blasting around town and backroads. On the track, still very usable; makes plenty use of the 180 horsepower.

Yea, exactly. Just checked, peak 184HP is at 7000rpm. When 5th gear ends at 7500rpm, it still has about 165HP, while when 6th kicks in at about 5500rpm at that speed, it's at about 150HP. So no chance for it still accelerating in 6th gear at 225km/h.

@@FrejrNA I also thought the top speed was also ECU limited

It's 1:1 for efficiency but it's still way higher than regular cars that have 0.8 something top gears

​@@DessikaModusno speed limiters on MX-5s

I guess a stage 1 would solve that problem.

what exactly are you referring to? engine cut-off?

You can see it is on

Yes, it is on. As I wrote, this was done at 4°C and with summer tires. Under these conditions launching with TCS off would only result in the rear wheels jumping around and much slower acceleration.

Here in germany most 350's were available with both the direct injected and manifold injected version of the M272. The 4Matic models are an exception, these were never built with the direct injected M272 pre 2012. In 2012 they got the, always direct injected, M276, but that's probably the same for you in the U.S. The E-Class Coupé though was never available with the manifold injected M272, not even when it started in 2009. I've driven the manifold injected 3.5L M272 with 272Hp in a W204 C-Class, and I agree. Power delivery is quite different and the less low down torque is noticable. But the biggest plus of the direct injected version really is the fuel consumption in my opinion. On average with normal driving it already is about 25% lower, but when going very fast consistently over longer distances like we usually do here in germany, let's say at about 210 km/h, the direct injected version ends up at about 12l/100km while the manifold injected one easily jumps over 20l/100km no problem. That's a huge difference and especially on the Autobahn it gets expensive at some point. I also find interesting that the direct injected version doesn't sound any worse or less "gasoline like" than the manifold injected one, which sometimes really is a thing.

@@FrejrNA Unfortunately he direct injected version has a pretty bad reputation for reliability

It's the 9-speed, but since this is full throttle until the end it wouldn't make sense for the gearbox to shift into 8th or 9th gear, if it doesn't have to because of the RPM limit. Shifting up too early would only lead to less power because of lower RPM, even with such a diesel engine which has a lot of low down torque.

Едет максимум как 3.2

@@chipservice7570 lol

@@AYYlLDIZ хотя нет, едет норм

Yep, around the 5.9-6.2 mark depending on launch.

@@kellyoubrejr544 for 180hp that really good. 192hp RX-8 take 0-100 ~ 6.2-7.1sec

I think officially Mazda says 6,8s, but it consistently manages around 6,1s. It really is quite a quick car for it's power, the low weight plays a huge role here of course. And as Kelly Oubre Jr said, the launch also makes a pretty huge difference. The top speed is when you get reminded of the "only" 184HP, because that's where air resistance becomes a much greater factor than weight.

@@FrejrNA I'm interested, that engine is tunnable?

@@T0maSsss-0 I don't think you can do that much with just software tuning, since the engine is naturally aspirated. There are compressor tuning kits out there, from BBR GTi for example. These usually get it up to around 240HP, but are kind of expensive. Same goes for installing a turbo. Would work, but really isn't that easy nor cheap. I think much of the character this car and engine have comes from the naturally aspirated nature of it, and for significant tuning you'd have to change that, or increase the displacement.

Ist bei einem Benz egal

Brutal gehl, diese Motoren sind einfach legender

It will be the same even at 444444km

Bro- 💀💀💀

Motorrechnisch in dem gleichen Zustand wie ein Seat bei 20.000Km

Groß ist der Unterschied nicht, das stimmt. Die ganzen Saugbenziner, M272 usw., sind schon echt super Motoren, gerade bei höheren Geschwindigkeiten haben die richtig Durchzug. Siehe auch mein Video von meinem E350 Coupe mit 292PS. Ist ab 100km/h auch deutlich schneller. Bei so einem großen Diesel geht es ja eher um das Drehmoment auch bei niedrigen Drehzahlen, weshalb die gefühlt so abgehen.

@@FrejrNA so sieht’s aus 👍

Eigentlich nicht; mein ehemaliger E350 CDI mit 265 PS war genauso schnell auf 100 und zwischen 100 und 200 geht ihm merklich die Luft aus, wie man sieht. Also 17 Sekunden hier, da war mein E400 mit 333 PS mit 13-14 Sekunden deutlich schneller - wenn auch auf dem Papier knapp 20 PS mehr. Ich würde sagen, er läuft okay, aber fürn V8-Diesel ist das nicht die Welt. Dennoch war's ein gutes Prestige-Auto damals, wie der E500.

@@MrZillas ja das alte Wandler Getriebe schluckt halt auch gut Moment für knapp 2T aber einen guten Zug, und der V8 Sound ist krank mit einer x pipe

​@@MrZillas Überdurchschnittlich ist das hier nicht, keine Frage. Schon ab Werk gibt es bei der Leistung ja teils recht merkliche Abweichungen, und spätestens nach 300.000km werden wohl die meisten nicht mehr auf ihre ursprüngliche Leistung kommen. Dass ein E400 trotz der "nur" 19PS mehr gerade bei 100-200 km/h deutlich schneller ist, würde ich dann doch vor allem dadurch erklären, dass es ein Benziner ist. Mein E350 CGI (gibt auch ein Video hier) ist mit 292PS auch gerade von 100-200, mit 14 Sekunden, deutlich schneller als der 420er, zum einen da mein 350er wohl schon von Grund auf ein "schnelles" Exemplar zu sein scheint, und zum anderen schlicht und einfach da es ein (Saug-)Benziner ist, der einen Großteil seiner Leistung zwar erst ab 4000U/min anliegen hat, dann aber bis zum Begrenzer mit 6750U/min richtig. Leistungs- und Drehmomentkurve sind bei diesen Geschwindigkeiten und damit Drehzahlen ja doch meistens günstiger als bei einem Diesel, allein schon durch die höhere Maximaldrehzahl. So meine Einschätzung.

@@FrejrNA Ich würde jetzt gern noch meinen V222 S500 messen, aber ich glaube, der kommt mit 455PS auch nicht unter 13 Sekunden.

@@MrZillas Was hast du gemessen bekommen? Mit meinem 2014er CL500 4matic mit dem selben Motor aber 20PS weniger, 435PS auf 2,1 Tonnen, komme ich auf ca. 13,0-13,3 je nach Straße etc. Würd mich mal interessieren wie hier der Unterschied ist. Habe mit einem "Dragy" Gps Gerät getrackt