HVAC Cuffing It
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04 Reverse Return Systems
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Looking at two pipe heating systems, conventional, reverse return and a one pipe system. Additional uses in cascading boilers and hot water cylinders.
03 Hot Water Cylinders
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Why choose a hot water cylinder for your next boiler change.
02 Weather Compensation
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This video shows how outside temperature changes the heat loss on the property and how weather compensation can be used to balance the loss with the heat input from the heat source.
01 Radiator Sizing
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This video explains Design Temperature effects on manufactures published radiator output. The importance of a heat loss survey with regards to radiator sizing. Explains briefly how radiators need to be upsized to operate at lower temperatures.
Worcester Heatslave
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Worcester Heatslave 2 oil combination boiler getting a system flush post installation.
Worcester Oil Boiler Fault Fix
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Worcester oil boiler fault fix using a little bit of know how. Gareth was a Worcester Bosch breakdown engineer for 11 years who got all the problem boilers.
Worcester Danesmoor
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Worcester Danesmoor installation with an unvented cylinder on a close coupled tee for underfloor heating, wired up with relays.
Relays
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Central heating fault from incorrect installation/wiring. Fixed using relays.

Комментарии

  • @jezlawrence720
    @jezlawrence720 4 месяца назад

    My house is annoyingly hard to heat throughout despite being quite small. In order for the hall and bathroom areas to stay warm, the flow rate needs to be 5c higher than the rest of the house needs. Its not too bad, i have smart trvs throughoutnso no room overheats, but it means i still have to run at 60c if its below 3c outside. 60c will then cope with that area down to -3, but below that id have to turn up to 70c. Vexing. I know the problem: bathroom radiator is undersized and sucks heat out towards that side of the house, and the landing above has no radiator. ...but theres no room to put a bigger rad in the bathroom or one on the landing! My hallway rad is oversized now which has helped - last winter i had to run at 60c below 7 and 70c below 0, but the bathroom remains stubbornly between 16 and 18. Bah. I think im going to have to get an IR panel or something in there. If it wasnt for that bathroom i think i could run the house at 55c flow rate or below all the way down to -3, which would be at least heat pump ready, if not heat pump perfect.

  • @Woot-Zee
    @Woot-Zee 4 месяца назад

    Still liking more load compensation than weather compensation. It's way better for my lifestyle and "comfort".

  • @mrfish2064
    @mrfish2064 5 месяцев назад

    This was very well explained. However, you never took into account how the house is used. In my house, other than the bathroom, none of the internal doors is ever closed.

  • @m0aze611
    @m0aze611 5 месяцев назад

    This is top notch, now I understand. I will be moving homes soon to a traditional boiler /radiator system, this helps me to ensure that when we move I will need to consider the current installation, trial using the boiler at the optimum temperature etc at the same time work out my heat losses per room and take what I’ve discovered here and put it into practice. Not at the ASHP stage yet. Regards Mike

  • @giacomobonetti9134
    @giacomobonetti9134 6 месяцев назад

    To increase heat transfer, what about having blown air on the radijators, aka fancoil

  • @peterwalton1502
    @peterwalton1502 8 месяцев назад

    Only just found your channel. It’s a shame that you don’t seem to be publishing much content as you explain things simply & clearly 👍👍

  • @user-mc1cz3il2y
    @user-mc1cz3il2y 10 месяцев назад

    perfect explaination

  • @bethanypattison9842
    @bethanypattison9842 Год назад

    12:19 DT for the boiler should be 12 not 11

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      Thanks for the comment☝️feels a very minor difference to highlight. Can you reference it in any technical document for me to look into it? Thanks

  • @LabRat6619
    @LabRat6619 Год назад

    Horrible boilers, Grant much better.

  • @theplumber4934
    @theplumber4934 Год назад

    I've done a few of these over the years especially on a long bungalows or very large properties, They've been a design for decades. I learned about them in the 1980's, Interestingly enough though, a lot of new plumbers have never heard of them

  • @danishkhadim4048
    @danishkhadim4048 Год назад

    Very helpful . Love from pakistan

  • @copperskills3973
    @copperskills3973 Год назад

    That’s the best presentation I’ve seen on it. Subscribed 👍🏻

  • @handle1196
    @handle1196 Год назад

    The bonus content at the end is good 24:06 I'd like know if this is applicable to heating via a heat pump. I'm looking at the reheat time for heating a 230 litre unistor to 50 degrees using a 7kw heat pump that has a 40Kw output coil.

  • @handle1196
    @handle1196 Год назад

    Another great video. I have two questions on the content. 1. So at 15:46 Would you design bedrooms for 18°C and then they always have to be used as a bedroom, or at 21°C and add TRV's as a limiter so it's warm during the day but with a 3°C set back at night it would become 18°C anyway. This way the bedroom can be used for other in the future? 2. At 20:03 you say to try & stick to the same MWT throughout. Does having UFH ground floor with radiators 1st floor make a difference to this because the UFH will be blended down via the mixing group and would be a lower MWT?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      1. I’d design at 18 for bedrooms as per the design guide, however someone may want them designed differently for office use and then you could use TRV’s to limit the output. 2. UFH is usually controlled with a mixer so it would have a lower MWT and would be designed for this. Sticking to the same MWT design is aimed at radiators so you don’t have hot and cold rooms at the same MWT.

    • @handle1196
      @handle1196 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 thanks for your reply and advice.

  • @handle1196
    @handle1196 Год назад

    Great content throughout. The only part I don't understand was 15:03 With an 11Kw boiler and a 16Kw coil, why do you get to condense through 95% of the cylinder heat up? Where does the 95% figure come from and why does 11 into 16 keep things within condensing mode with the return below 55°C?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      Most cylinder coils are about 16 ish kw according to the data sheets for domestic cylinders. Due to the coil being bigger than the heat source the boiler doesn’t modulate back because the coil is beyond the saturation point and keeps the return temp lower for longer. 95% is just me testing my set up. A Heat pump or Solar cylinder piped in series would work better due to the coil size.

    • @handle1196
      @handle1196 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 thanks. I wasnt sure if boilers would modulate on the DHW side. I'm looking to design a new system for DT5 heat pump ready but if i choose to fit a V 200-w 4 pipe, I'd like a cylinder thats going to reheat quickly. Vaillant unistor is around 16.7kw coil and 1.4kw loss, joule cyclone is 23kw coil but 2kw loss. I'll have to look into heat pump cylinders or a twin coil.

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      The boiler will modulate back on the return temp closing the delta regardless of what it’s heating. If you have a cold cylinder with a giant coil you’ll hear the fan speed gunning it on the boiler and you’ll even see the flow temp dip as it’s a fantastic heat transfer. As it approaches 60 degrees cylinder temperature the boiler will struggle to dump the heat and modulate right back. Best to get a heat pump cylinder as it will be more efficient on heat up and you are future proofed.

    • @handle1196
      @handle1196 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 👌

  • @normanboyes4983
    @normanboyes4983 Год назад

    Interesting that Part L specifies flow of 55 when a return temp of 55 is the start of the condensing phase. Did they get confused?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      If you have a flow of 55 then on a gas appliance your return will be 35. So you’ll be condensing more and it takes less energy to heat to 55 than 70. 55 return is just dipping a toe into the condensing range.

    • @normanboyes4983
      @normanboyes4983 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 Hi Yes - I totally get that, I just wondered about the ‘coincidence’.😉 Incidentally at - 3 I am flowing at 49 (V200).

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      I’d guess it was decided on 55 so properties are heat pump ready. 55 at dt 20 gives a 45 mean water temp which could be achieved with a 47.5 flow at dt 5 on a heat pump.

  • @copperskills3973
    @copperskills3973 Год назад

    That’s a great explanation on how to run them in. I struggled big time when I tried to install one for the first time, many years ago. I dreaded commissioning it as I was sure I cocked up something 😂. (It was fine 👌🏻)

  • @mgbroadsterJ
    @mgbroadsterJ Год назад

    Without heat loss calcs ,it must be guess work .

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      More cause and effect without a heat loss. You set the curve and see how it corresponds with the set point. If the rads are undersized elsewhere in the building then you’ll not achieve set point there or vice verser.

  • @yogbert
    @yogbert Год назад

    Great video, clear and precise explanations on how heating works and how sizing needs to be done. Many thanks.

  • @paulgoffin8054
    @paulgoffin8054 Год назад

    Very interested in the comment about radiator piping. In the illustration of the "European Way", you have hot entering at the top. Does it make a difference if hot enters at the bottom (which feels more logical to me)?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      As far as I can remember it’s just states the pipe arrangement and doesn’t specify flow/return. I could be wrong and you’ll get some form of stratification naturally. I’m sure someone would have written a paper on it at some point. 😉

  • @markcharlesworth2528
    @markcharlesworth2528 Год назад

    I'm trying my combi flow rate set at 56 degrees. I have heating at 18 degrees when on and turn it down to 16 degrees when off or out. I'll see how goes through winter.

  • @neo_265
    @neo_265 Год назад

    Fantastic explanation and detail. I've been trying to lower my flow temperatures on my Baxi Plat combi as low as possible but can only get as low as 61oC as Im probably hitting the boilers minimum output for my system design.....yet my boiler still cycles as my heat loss is obviously lower than the boiler can go to (manually). My return temps are around 50oC so my boiler is only just condensing. Is there anything I can do to lower this further with my current boiler? I'd love a modern load comp boiler but cant justify it considering my boiler works perfectly.

  • @MrKlawUK
    @MrKlawUK Год назад

    great video and clear explanation, thanks. It seems like the best way to get the most from WC is a hot water tank - not a combi? that way you can size the boiler so your modulation can go low enough for average temps, and the lower size of the boiler needed should still be enough to heat a HWC? A combi like we have would need to be sized for instant HW and unlikely to modulate down for low enough flow temps? eg at the moment we’re running at 12-13c outside, heat loss 6kw in the house, we can run at 30c flow temp and the house is lovely and warm, but the boiler still cycles because it can’t maintain 30c. Vitodens 050-w 30kw for HW and I think can modulate down to about 3.2kw? 1:8.

  • @alfypierri8022
    @alfypierri8022 Год назад

    Fantastic video. Really done well. Thanks

  • @peterdean5844
    @peterdean5844 Год назад

    Bootneck?

  • @len538
    @len538 Год назад

    I won’t be calling, didn’t see a dam thing in that airing cupboard.

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      Thanks for your comment. What would you like to see? 👍

  • @noelburke6224
    @noelburke6224 Год назад

    You are all gone pear shaped.ypu have and are being pulled into climate hysteria. Sure the world is warming we don't need heat

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      Thanks for your comment. Feels like you need to point this opinion towards building regulations. 👍

  • @JWildOnes
    @JWildOnes Год назад

    Very informative and helpful information. Are the spreadsheets you show in your videos, custom made or are they a resource we can obtain from the internet or from a paid service?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      I’ve just made them up for the video. =sum(etc etc)😉

  • @bimiuk4051
    @bimiuk4051 Год назад

    Sorry a silly question: why is my plumber saying tjhat Opentherm is old and is not worth it and wont make difference? I got TADO thermostat supporting it and Ideal Vogue max s18 supporting it yet the electrician and plumber disagree and have no idea how that is support to help because boilers have regulators and do that by itself. Am I loosing my mind?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      Opentherm will load compensate the boiler and alter the flow temp depending on outside temperature. Weather compensation from the internet ish. Some controllers are less aggressive than others. The boiler will only modulate itself in most scenarios on a set flow. So if it’s set to 70 and the return is coming back higher than 50 (dt20) it will start to reduce the fan speed and modulate back. Opentherm will be more efficient because you flow will be lower on most days increasing condensing and will work in conjunction with the boiler modulation.

    • @bimiuk4051
      @bimiuk4051 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 so, opentherm is highly recommend? Y is it not common in UK,? I want to get PDHW and opentherm, seems like weathercom is not good/effecient? Also not possible to turn it off? Atm struggling to get TADO starter kit connected to IDEAL VOGUEAX S18 via opentherm. Confused

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      @@bimiuk4051 does that boiler even do opentherm?

    • @bimiuk4051
      @bimiuk4051 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 yes from my understanding it does. :( seems Ideal Logic supports it but Vogue max???

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      @@bimiuk4051 just looked it up, you should be able to PDHW and use OT or WC on the heating. Urban plumber has done a video on this. Just show your installer that video. You may need to run additional cables though. Good luck.

  • @peterconnolly4608
    @peterconnolly4608 Год назад

    When it comes to zones you would need two lines ?

  • @peterconnolly4608
    @peterconnolly4608 Год назад

    Hi, does this leave the 4 time flow rate now needing 28mm pipes installed all around ?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      What’s the kw loading?

    • @peterconnolly4608
      @peterconnolly4608 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 11 kw and 22kw ,

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      @@peterconnolly4608 28mm will take you to 10.5kw at a velocity of 0.9m/s. 22kw at dt5 would require 42mm pipe. Feels a large heat load.

    • @peterconnolly4608
      @peterconnolly4608 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 hi, that is 28 mm from heat unit to distribution cylinder coil then to distribute to heat emitters (radiators) in 28 mm to ?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      @@peterconnolly4608 no, you headers carrying all of the load will be sized accordingly. Each radiator will have a fraction of the load and the pipework size required will adjust with the load.

  • @SuperWayneyb
    @SuperWayneyb Год назад

    🤘😎🤘

  • @mikes.2941
    @mikes.2941 Год назад

    Great video. I have an open vented 250 ltr direct Thermal store, McDonald Water storage, that gives me mains pressure hot water and central heating which is piped from nearer the bottom of the Tank. CH controlled by a Tado controller and pump. No zone valves required. The boiler is controlled by Tado and a tank stat with a separate pump. Works well as LPG boiler, old non condensing, has a long run heating the water only when required and you can shut off boiler at night. One thing I like is that you can set Tado to have towel rails come on when rest of heating off as the tank always hot. I was considering updating the heat only boiler and was interested on your view as to whether a new boiler would run in condensing mode properly and on using weather compensation. Tado can operate open therm boilers as far as I know. Keep up the good work.

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      Yes, I’d ditch the Tado though and use the boilers weather compensation. Not sure of the benefit of a thermal store of only 250 litres as it’s mainly there to buffer and reduce cycling. How many kw’s is the store?

    • @mikes.2941
      @mikes.2941 Год назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 Hi. From tank manufacturers site Max Heating load is 23 KW. When installed the plan was to later add solar / battery but that hasn't happened yet.

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      @@mikes.2941 and what size is the boiler? You could potentially get up to an 11% efficiency increase just by switching to a condensing appliance.

    • @mikes.2941
      @mikes.2941 Год назад

      ​@@hvaccuffingit6471 Boiler is 22.7Kw. The rural area I live in is all Oil or LPG. Boiler old but very reliable. Just a service once a year with a new Thermocouple. Service engineer has always told me that I should run the old one till it died. In view of your 11% efficiency point the payback period has always been quite long and if it ain't broke !. However the huge increase in the cost of LPG is making me consider an upgrade now. I think a full review by a Heating Engineer is probably the way forward with a mix of heat sources.

  • @doodie84
    @doodie84 Год назад

    Very interesting. Do you recommend any courses for learning about heatloss when considering low temp systems? Do you have to be MCS registered?

  • @stupidusername38
    @stupidusername38 Год назад

    When would you take into account the BTU of the radiator?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      I personally would just use Watts. BTU’s are just a unit of measurement like using gallons or litres.

  • @scottk2765
    @scottk2765 Год назад

    Great video. Concise and easy to follow. You do mention a 10 degree difference on the stelrad site but then go on to use a 20 degree difference between flow and return later on, why is this?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      All modern boilers are dt 20 to maximise condensing. Rad companies don’t seem to keep up with this. Mean water temp is the main factor though.

  • @simonexcell6496
    @simonexcell6496 Год назад

    Great video. Just wondering how you tied the pipe stat into PIRs on the secondary. Didn't quite understand?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 Год назад

      You can either use a relay or just put the sl from the pir into the common of the pipe stat. All in series.

  • @Ifitaintbrokedontfixit
    @Ifitaintbrokedontfixit Год назад

    Great presentation that has saved me some work! It's clear and concise and something I can point customers towards when we tell them that times are changing.

  • @markrussell9719
    @markrussell9719 2 года назад

    Just subscribed - what a great job you are doing at putting this across in a way that is easier to understand. I really look forward to seeing more presentations from your channel. Out of interest is the spreadsheet you are using available or is it taken from the Cibse guide?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 2 года назад

      Thanks for the feedback.

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 2 года назад

      I can send you a spread sheet of the heat calculation, I just made them up though.

  • @kylebrowning7469
    @kylebrowning7469 2 года назад

    How do you convert from a dt of 50 once I’ve worked out the wattage needed to what wattage will be needed with a dt of 24/25?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 2 года назад

      You need the F1 factor table in the domestic heating design guide to calculate the new out put. The video is more pitched at customers so they have an understanding that radiator outputs change depending on system design temperatures. Also to highlight that you can’t calculate a radiator size or design a system without knowing the heat loss.

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/igLW63o60EY/видео.html This video goes more into the maths which is all in that section of the book. Hope this helps👍

    • @kylebrowning7469
      @kylebrowning7469 2 года назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 perfect thanks bud I’ve just done half a quote for a huge place done all the heat loss working on a dt50 I honestly wasn’t aware of this new regulation change I’ve spend the last few days getting up to speed while being on paternity, so what would the case be if you’re going to do a boiler change and the customers don’t want to update the radiators? Just run it at 55 and tell them it isn’t going to get hot or you just cannot do the job? Or can you still run them at normal flow temps as it’s an exciting system? And if you were to say replace a radiator would you tell them they need to replace all of them or just replace the single one with a new ones installed ready for dt20 if they ever update it?

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 2 года назад

      @@kylebrowning7469 my interpretation is new systems would need to be designed at 55 degrees. Boiler changes would be on the existing system and would not require updating. However with the introductions of more ASHP’s and rising gas prices then you may find more system design changes. Time will tell.👍

    • @kylebrowning7469
      @kylebrowning7469 2 года назад

      @@hvaccuffingit6471 ahh okay, and yeah suppose more work haha not that I think anyone worth their money is in need of it with this boom going on, really appreciate your fast response mate, got a subscriber here:)

  • @andrewmillwardwatford9410
    @andrewmillwardwatford9410 2 года назад

    What a fantastic in depth explanation of weather compensation. You are a natural at these explanations and so on the money technically. Fantastic. I'll be sending your videos to my customers.

  • @andrewmillwardwatford9410
    @andrewmillwardwatford9410 2 года назад

    Great to see another great source of learning on utube.

  • @kevinschoales844
    @kevinschoales844 2 года назад

    We compliment you on your presentation on this subject, after reading or watching many articles on this same subject yours is the most comprehensive. Whether customers can fully understand or even agree due to installation costs is the major problem, so far installers are suggesting a suck it and see approach to keep heat pump install costs down, customers go along with that. I totally agree you have the correct approach, congratulations.

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 2 года назад

      Thanks for your feed back, please share to spread the word. Thanks👍

  • @Pspsps5
    @Pspsps5 2 года назад

    At last someone who is giving a true explanation of heat loss and what you need regarding system design. It’s not all about the heat source you must fully design a heating system. Great stuff very well done 👍

  • @lewisprice3663
    @lewisprice3663 2 года назад

    Answered a lot of my questions I had on radiators. Thanks for that Black Mountains

  • @brendanfisher2528
    @brendanfisher2528 2 года назад

    really good video! I'm glad someone is going indepth with this kind of stuff! keep them coming mate!

  • @Simon-ow4pg
    @Simon-ow4pg 2 года назад

    I would love you to install mine but I'm based in Cambridge

  • @simonjohnhinton1938
    @simonjohnhinton1938 2 года назад

    I love my 15/19 works fantastic and is always serviced. Had all new rads fitted around the house with some nice chrome valves and all the old fluid drained and system flushed. Runs super quiet and a lot more effecient now with a digital room stat.

  • @freezefoot
    @freezefoot 2 года назад

    Learned a lot from your installation videos.I like the idea of putting isolation valves all over the system to reduce drain down times.Learner question:You have put two 2 valves in series on the hot water side to the unvented cylinder,one honeywell? the other danfoss?.Is their a reason for this, an extra level of safety perhaps? in case the first one fails ( in the open position), But why two different makes?Maybe thats all you had on the van or is their another reason.I assume you wire them the same in the wiring centre.Thanks again .Great job.

    • @hvaccuffingit6471
      @hvaccuffingit6471 2 года назад

      Hi, thanks for the comment, from memory, I think we've got one as a control valve and the other came with the cylinder kit, so it just went on. In theory you could ditch it as long as it's wired through the overheat to shut the cylinder off in an overheat scenario.

  • @banditrider613
    @banditrider613 2 года назад

    good to see a cup of tea being provided to the tech ..