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Note: Run is invalid because I forgot to turn r_displayinfo back to 1 after taking some screenshots.
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View is to the north from Central Indiana, USA. Note that the timestamp in-camera is one hour off due to DST recently changing.
HOSAM (Stick and Mouse) - Dual stick control on a single stick budget!
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In this video, I present a breakdown of my choice to use a VKB Gladiator flight stick along with my G602 mouse to gain control that's just as good as getting two flight sticks, at "half" the price. I go through both the theory of the setup, as well as the practical decisions I made for my input bindings. Note that I don’t usually have the stick and mouse as close together as seen in the clips. ...
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Some low-poly modeling experimentation. Please ignore the dodgy geometry.
Have you tried the HOMAM with a 3Dconnexion SpaceMouse and a gaming mouse? Looking for some pros/cons on that setup.
I have actually looked into 3d mice but it's not a priority for me and I've never actually had one. Bigger issue is that I'd like to get a vertical mouse (but with all the features of my G602). Some days I wonder if I just need to make my own peripherals instead.
Great vid Hectate - something I come back to often. Any chance of an update since master modes?
It's crossed my mind a few times. I both didn't want to get into it before I decided my own thoughts on the changes, nor just before they applied more tweaks and made the work pointless. Maybe in a patch or two when things have settled for Master Modes I'll make an update. For now, the short version is that I have one of the side mouse buttons mapped to switch master modes, and middle click does the SCM/NAV mode switching. Everything else is the same I believe.
There isn't a ton of great info about this setup and I'm in the same boat where its pretty expensive to grab 2 sticks but I want one quality stick to build off of and I play a lot of FPS so mouse is natural to me. Thank you for this guide !
I'm glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
This video is amazing, and may have just saved me a serious amount of money. Thank you!
Thanks for watching and I'm glad it helped. Good luck and have fun!
i want something stiffer or more like 747 controls but for the big ships im a capital ship person so i want to feel like im flying the 165meters corvette not a fighter, check out noobifer videos he has a lot of stick control stuff and stuff from virpil
I wish I had seen this a while ago. I bought a HOTAS and just don’t get on with it in SC and the stick is right handed.
No matter what you switch to/from there is always going to be some kind of learning curve. Maybe HOTAS isn't the right setup for you, but also maybe you just need to get more practice with it. That said, if it doesn't end up working out, there's always the option to sell the HOTAS and move that money towards a different setup like HOSAM or HOSAS.
Really appreciate your well-thought-out approach and clear explanation. I just got the same type of stick for my throttle and am planning to configure things as you describe for a nice starting, off point. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom!
Glad that it was helpful, thanks for watching and commenting too!
@@TheHectate If you're taking suggestions: one thing I'm struggling with, is the abundance of throttle and strafe options available with the latest Star Citizen patch. Would be great to see an explanation of relative VS absolute, trim long and short, sensitivity curves, and dead zones, as it relates to flight movement.
@@verbalpics Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure if I understand all of it yet either, but maybe that'll be something to do soon.
Year late to this but ended up going the same route for almost the same reasons and its funny how similar our inputs ended up. Glad im not the only omi mouse user
Nice! There are dozens of us!
My VKB omni throttle came today so Im just testing it out in a private arena commander race. Your movement bindings make a lot of sense going from M/KB to Stick and mouse for ship flying. It feels natural like it was intended to be controlled this way. Thanks for the video :) The only thing I find myself getting use to with the movement is the analogue input.
Nice! Yes, I definitely agree it takes some getting used to handling a ship with analog input. It's tricky because it's so easy to just "full send" which is no better/worse than just a digital keypress on the keyboard. That said, certain ships are much more comfortable to fly now - I didn't like the Arrow at all with M/K but it's much more comfortable to fly with the stick. Rolling in particular, since it was so twitchy on keyboard.
Just bought a gladiator, and been thinking about how to set it up. Great video, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Do you just put the left stick on your desk? It seems like it would feel strange to have your hands at different levels, which would be the case if your stick is just sitting on your desk.
Yes, mine is just sitting on the desk. Not ideal but it's the best setup I have right now. Eventually I'd like to get a mount that I can snap-on/off my chair. That would be ideal for ergonomics.
Ordering a omni throttle today and enjoyed your discussion on button layout it made me think about key binding for Elite thanks
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
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I don't its so much a single stick budget but more accuracy ALOT more accuracy with a mouse aiming. THx for video.
Thanks for watching! Yes, there are definite benefits to having the mouse around :)
This is by far one of the most thorough tutorials I have seen. The content is amazing and complete. Thank you for taking the time to share your setup and thoughts. Very well done.
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for watching! I'm glad it helped.
how did you get rid of the line that tracks from the center of your ui when flying with the mouse. I tlooks so much cleaner and cant find the setting anywhere! also, this is an insanely well done and informative vid
That was how it looked when the video was recorded. A later patch added the line. I'm not aware of a setting that disables it. Sorry. But thanks for watching and commenting!
Great Video. Thanks for the effort !
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video brother! Really like your setup with strafe mapped to the hat, killer idea!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
Thanks this was informative; well done.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you very much for this video. Not having the stick in my dominant hand just didn't occur to me. Perfect for my use with star citizen. Just quick swap to wasd and IAM FPS ready. It's also fantastic for racing. Only trouble I had was to find left hand friendly stick, I got Airbus thrust master that works for both hands and it's cheap for PC. It has hall effect sensor and material feels good so I can recommend it for someone out of price range of the gladiator.
Thanks for the comment! Yeah, there are plenty of options out there that would work for left or right hands, so whatever works for you is the best choice! Thanks for sharing.
I want to go dual stick, but can only afford one at a time. And was thinking get throttle first. After seeing this, now I'm going to get throttle first
One of us!
I use this setup with a CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Pedals and Logitech G502. Rudder pedals control roll. I am still experimenting with the pedals break inputs to see what works best.
Very nice. Pedals would be awesome to have. Sadly, the way my desk is built I don't have much space underneath to put them. Someday...
This was really useful. I had an idea about the twist axis on your stick: Could you use that forward/backward twist to rebalance shields from front to back? What about setting it to add/reduce engine power on the triangle?
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. You might have to switch the twist to something that triggers at a certain value (since it's an axis and not a button), but that's something that can be easily done with the VKB software. I wouldn't use it for the power triangle personally though. For the maximum benefit, you really only have 4 choices. Max in one of the three points, or just balance it. The boost that each get (especially with weapons) to being at max means there's never a good reason to not have it on any other setting in between. That's why my mouse has the three buttons configured to max out a particular point. I can instantly switch to weapons, let them fast-recharge, and then back to shields max to protect myself while I empty the capacitors.
Just ordered the same stick and I'm excited to follow your guide to get things setup quickly once it arrives! Do you find that the stick needed to be modified or mounted to your desk or is its heaftiness good enough to not shift around while in use?
For the way I use mine, it just sits on my desk. I know a great number of people prefer mounts like the Predator Mounts to give them quick-disconnect options while still keeping it firmly in place. For my case, desktop use is fine. You'll have to see for yourself. One downside to sitting it on a desk is the increased height compared to a mouse and keyboard on the same desk, though.
@@TheHectate Good point, I was definitely considering the forward and back distance, but didn't think about the up/down. I'll likely need to get it in front of me and then see where it could be placed if it feels to high. It may sound weird, but a very small elbow support on my chair arm might solve that problem. As long as it doesn't add any strange fatigue.. :)
i use TRP rudder peddals, a Wooting One keyboard and mouse. i can't use stick it feels ... wrong.
Hey, whatever works for you is what's important!
g602 is a legend.. and 604 is a best successor! anticipating next evolution of that series 604 will give you extra 2 buttons on scroll wheel - side movement! its a game changer
Nice. I'll have to check that out.
You wouldn't happen to have the XML file for this setup? I am having a hard time figuring out how to program it all in, besides the mouse controls
Sorry, no I don't currently have it available online.
I love tanks in SC!
Same!
I’ve been out of Star Citizen for a long time. I am one of the so called veteran who supported a star Citizen with buying a large armada of ships. However frustrated with the huge delays and at one point just unplayable I bowed out for the last 4 years more or less. They have made some progress to get me back into it. Amazing but from my perspective little progress but clearly enough to overcome some of the blockers of the past. Your video is an instructional nirvana lol Clear and concise…….made it understandable. I looked many times at other videos set ups and nothing with the clarity and easy to follow like yours. Based on this a veteran who spend obscene money in the beginning to support the dream I am back.based on this video I subscribe to your channel. Thank you
Glad to hear you're back. The game isn't perfect (or even done) but I have great fun with what is there now and that's good enough for me. Cheers!
@Hectate i assume after a longer session your can feel it in your left shoulder? if so try to find a better position for your flightstick it looks like your arm is not resting while u sing the stick wich is very very bad and if you do not feel it now you will in the future specialy avoid straightening your arm to reach the joystick and god never in an upwards way.
While it's on my desk like this, yes my arm is "hovering" higher than usual. Thankfully at my height it's still reasonably comfortable but I could see other people having that issue. Getting it lowered (on a mount or something) would definitely improve the ergonomics!
Is it possible to get your layout profile?
Sorry, I don't have it shared anywhere. It shouldn't be too difficult to re-create, since I kept so much as default as possible.
Thx a lot for this analytic point of view. As you say in the video, some things everybody already knows, But thats the point, I think. Just to know something doesn't mean you really can use it and work with this knowledge ;o) I allways was after dual sticks and just thought "everybody uses them and it looks just quite smooth, in all the vids, so of course that will be the way to go." Now I'm rethinking it and will mostly consider the point, you mention, just following logic. :) May be I'll end up with HOSAS, maybe not, but I'll sure overthink it again, before getting new hardware! again, thx a lot. :)
Glad to hear that it was helpful in some way. Whichever way you go, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Thanks for watching!
Bro if I buy a left hand stick and I already have gas break pedals can I do this too
Possibly? I would suggest you see if SC recognizes your pedals before committing one way or another. If they're recognized and functional, then you definitely have an extra set of inputs that I don't have!
interesting
fascinating
Keeping it on the desk like that is fine? No need to mount? I'm assuming mounting the stick would make it awkward since the mouse needs to be on the desk.
Yeah I just leave it on the desk. Even during heavy maneuvers I don't have any issue with it slipping around. I believe you're correct that mounting it wouldn't work as well because of the placement of the mouse. I could see someone with a mounted mouse pad doing it though, lol. Either way, it works for me fairly well. The only downside is that the flight stick itself is raised above the desk while the mouse is at desk level, which is a little uneven. Not terrible, but something to consider.
What stick are you using
The flight stick is the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO with Omnithrottle attachment.
Awesome explanation of why you chose what you did. The very meticulous planning is insightful but I miss one part - there's a number of "dealfault left-hand inputs" such as Gimball mode, Free Look, Scanning etc that you did not mention. I'm assuming those went to the buttons on the base of the stick or other buttons on the mouse.
Yes, it's a choice of priorities. Free Look, for example, I wasn't worried about because I did have the "F" Inner Thought bound on the outside red button, and that's effective for a quick glance around without using actual Free Look mode. Scanning settings are on the base (a rocker for up/down angle, and a button) for mining mostly, and Gimbal mode was not mentioned because many people take those off to upgrade the weapons a size anyway. For me, on the occasions I want to use gimbals, I just press G on the keyboard as I'm heading into the fight.
My good sir, excellent video. Would you be able to post your XML file of your saved bindings?
I posted this in another reply, but I think it's better for people to set their own bindings. It really cements the location of those buttons in your mental map of the controls when you've taken the time to manually think through the options and set it up yourself.
@@TheHectate I would generally agree. I have a VKB on loan to see if I like it and am trying al kinds of things. There are so few HOSAM profiles out there, I wanted to try a few variants. thanks for responding!
@@TheHectate I just went through the entire comment thread looking for it. lol likely would have finished manually binding by now if I just got on it. lol
What you came for @14:17
Sorry, I don't understand the question.
@@TheHectate Pretty sure this is an attempt to let others know where you get into the meat and potatoes of selecting what goes where and skips your introduction. I enjoyed it all.
Awesome! Great info! subbed for future updates as im just about to go HOSAM myself.
Thanks for the kind words! GLHF
This is incredibly helpful. I was just looking at setting up for this... Which is probably what the internet brought it to me without me actually searching for it... The Googlebook overlords know all
Glad you enjoyed watching!
So glad I came across your vid. I've been debating ordering the exact stick for that setup as I've really pushed the M&K as far as I want and now need that analog input for finer control and the extra buttons and such. Thanks man!
Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad to hear that it was helpful for you.
Would you be able to upload your bindings files??
In theory I could, but I would still recommend you do it yourself. Both because the binding process helps you think through what you're doing, and also because if patches break bindings in the future you'd have to do it anyway. Good practice.
Cool
I saw it last night in the philippines about 8pm
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This is the exact setup I have been considering with that VKB nxt throttle and my g502. I'd like the right hand nxt evo as well but its also outside my budget. Thanks for this video!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
Hey mate, just wondering how this setup is going for you?
I'm enjoying it! I still need to actually spend time practicing PvP but for flying around and racing it's a great setup. It makes so much of the flight smoother; and having controls right at my fingers is great.
I am wondering if this might be even better using a pad and gameglass?
I don't see why not! Having a touchscreen nearby does mean that you have to take a hand off a control, but if you're seeking an input that's not on those controls already then it should already be a secondary need to everything on your controls.
Great video, very in depth and thorough. Quick question though, did you remove the spring for the Y-axis return-to-center to treat it as a real throttle, or do you prefer return to center on the Y-axis? Thanks in advance.
Great question! I did not remove the spring. I had considered it, but since I wanted to easily return to zero thrust from either direction, I felt the spring was necessary. I think the story might be different in other games, but for SC where all ships are essentially VTOL (some more efficient than others) it seemed like the right choice.