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@@beckygossett4697 I would say it is teaching horses to perform tricks much like you would train a dog or other animal. Nothing wrong with that per se but using the word "liberty" implies a connection that wouldn't be there without some form of coercion.

All relationships require cooperation. Having a relationship where a horse is willing to be directed isnt necessarily coercion. ​@@canhamfarmhorserescue

@@beckygossett4697 Well that depends. Coercion is not just using force it is also using persuasion to get another person or animal to do what you want. So even if you are training a horse using positive or negative reinforcement you are still using coercion to get the outcome you want.

@@lindamutch191 thank you so much. So kind of you. 😊

I meant to say thankyou for saying what many of us think. I detect a bit of a British accent as I'm one. I've been around horses all my life and whenever money is involved it's always the horse that suffers. There are so many of these rescuers now but it hasn't changed one thing. I'd be campaigning on these Auctions they are horse hell. I wish u well it's a pleasure to hear sense on this subject

@suemaher5282 You're all right. I am in English, although I've been living in the US for a long time. These mass bailing horse rescues are out of control. Thank you so much for supporting my mission to throw some light on the issue.

this aint training 101 this is abusing 101

this is a video that was sent to us. We don't know who the person is but complete abuse and cruelty let alone a lack of knowledge regarding horses.

@@anaridenour8601 you are right. This is not training it is IMO natural horsemanship ( Perelli et al) gone crazy. No idea who the person is. The video was sent to us.

Thanks so much 😊

Thank you for your support Liane! ❤

Out of context I agree it likely doesn't make sense. This is one of several videos about horse rescues that mass bail horse from "kill pens". And I did get the year wrong. Should have said December 2023 instead of December 2024. What can I say, I'm human and make errors. :)

Thank you so much for the kind words. I am hoping to spread awareness of this type of trust/consent based training to help people understand there is no need for fear or pain. Thank you for supporting us. :)

Oops. I wish I could.🤔😀 I should have said 2023.

You are absolutely right. Microchips can only give the information that is programmed into them (microchip number that is registered in a remote database) They can also record an animal's temperature but that is just a heat sensor.

we intent to. Thank you.

She is indeed. She is looking so much better that when her previous owners relinquished her in January 2024. :)

You are absolutely right. Thank you for taking such good care of your horse. Horses understand more than we will ever know.

Thanks for the suggestion. :)

@@Golden1989-days I'm not sure why the quality of the horse makes a difference to how they are treated.

@@andrewb2475 not at all. She has probably been training like this for years. It's just the first time that someone has made it public.

@@canhamfarmhorserescue Pity Valegro cannot speak.

@@tracymorgan9907 We can only hope that some good comes out of this and encourages people to speak up.

Well that’s for the investigation to decide isn’t it. But for me, as an admirer of CD’s ability in the dressage arena, there is a chilling callousness about the treatment of this horse that is impossible to come to terms with. Yes he might have gone home and eaten up and wondered what that was all about, but that doesn’t justify his treatment in any way.

That is not a long tom whip and she was not attempting to encourage the horse to go forward but to increase the hind leg action in the canter which this approach did not achieve.

@@keithknight1686 you are entitled to your opinion but just to be clear we are a horse rescue charity and I can assure you I have seen abuse and neglect that once seen cannot be unseen. While this is not the worst of the worst it is still abuse. Do you think that whip is not hurting the horse? As for Charlotte, when you are a public figure, who influences young dressage riders or trainers, you better be beyond reproach. If not, you must accept the criticism and outcry over your actions and be truly apologetic not just to your peers, the public and the authorities but to the victim.

Indeed.

How about we try an experiment. As you're doing your job, whatever it is, your boss whips you for every typo, every time your eyes leave your work, and then every flinch. Not just once but all day every day. Let me know how you get on.

@@deborahrich2666 it is sad. The horse does not understand what's being asked of him. Not a good way to train a horse.

Saying and doing the right thing does not make you a "keyboard bully". Treating horses, or any animal, like this is unexcusable. But, wait. It's just a horse so that makes it OK. Now if someone repeatedly whipped a dog everyone would be calling them out and likely reporting it to the relevant authorities. 🤔🤨🙄

@@karenwill4825 I didn't hear that but the horse sure as heck showed concern by kicking out at whip.

@@JeannetteShoreland unfortunately that is rampant throughout Polo and his sons have been shown to draw blood too.

He may not but he still allows his Royal Guard horses to be abused daily by all the heavy metal they are forced to wear in their soft mouths for hours and having to stand unnaturally also for hours. It's tradition, approved and insisted on by his mother, the late Queen. But tradition does not have the horses welfare at heart. It's show. It's supposedly to protect the Royalty. I have yet to see a calm, comfortable horse on guard. They are all throwing their heads about, chewing and mouthing, trying to dislodge the bits. But what would I know? And how do you change tradition? I can't watch any more. Let's hope horse welfare becomes more prominent in our thinking.

What would you have done?

@@keithknight1686 if I were there I would call them out. Question that training right away.

@@virginiawilkinson5038 Good. At least you are now merely questioning the training, which we all would do, including myself. The use of criminal to describe Charlotte was over-the-top. She made an error of judgement, something we are all guilty of from time to time, including when we are around or working with horses. I hate abuse of animals as much as you do. We currently care for 5-cats that came to us from off the street. What I saw on that video was not abuse and I do not believe the horse was hurt in any way and may have learned to go forward more generously than he was wanting to. Just don't blow this out-of-proportion because the negative publicity will come to haunt everyone who works with horses and you cannot tar everyone with the same brush, which seems to be happening.

@@LUSHKA999 oh most definitely this is not the first time. Just the first time video has surfaced.

@@canhamfarmhorserescue You knew that and said nothing all these years.

@@keithknight1686 I think we all know what goes on behind the scenes when training these horses but knowing and having proof are entirely different. It is not just Charlotte doing this it's all the people she and others have learned from over the years. The culture regarding horse training needs to change and in a upside down way perhaps Charlotte's aggressive behaviour toward this horse will be the catalyst to change.

@@canhamfarmhorserescue I have no objection to your description of Charlotte's behaviour as 'aggressive'. My main objection to the comments on your channel and others was the use of 'cruel'. If her actions are deemed 'cruel' then we are on a slide towards the woke culture of raising your voice becomes an act of 'cruelty'. I would like to know how World Horse Welfare would rate this 'scandal' against what they must deal with on a daily basis. I am sure you, too, must have true-life stories of horses treated far worse than this 4-year-old, though he is eight now.

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@@iluve2laugh indeed. I believe she stated it was a one off but I highly doubt it.

If you think what you saw on the video was an act of cruelty then you live in a fool's paradise. Watch R.S.P.C.A. and Brooke Hospital advertisements for funds, there you will see cruelty and neglect. Charlotte was being lazy whilst attempting to get a sluggish horse to go forward, something a dressage horse must do. It is what a long tom was designed for. By God, very soon farmers will not be allowed to use dogs to bring in the sheep in case of them gets bitten, the blind will not allowed a dog incase in being blind he might step on the dog's paw. This is a very slippery slope for all equestrian sports and you lot seem keener on proving good, caring people you are rather seeing this as someone, 4-years-ago, who make an error of judgement. In a culture of woke, hypocrites thrive.

More than bullying. This is abuse!

@canhamfarmhorserescue distinction without a difference but whatever floats your boat. Bullying IS abuse

yes it is. I don't know how people can think this is oK.

Exactly

Hello! It would be much easier if she was but the vet checked her and her vision seems fine in both eyes. Something has definitely happened to her in the past but we will likely never know what. We just continue to work with her slowly. We also have the chiropractor coming to check her too. :)

Just talk to the chiro. Don't let him touch her yet and let me know. Keep me updated. Not blind in one eye. Yet.

This must be approached with Quantanalysis. No touching yet.

Who knows. They say it's to hobble train the horse but it looks more like abuse to me. 😀

Exactly! I actually wonder if the horse fell after the video was cut abruptly.

@@canhamfarmhorserescue Probably