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The REAL Story of Galileo, the Church, and Science
00:00 Introduction
01:50 Copernicus and what people believed before Galileo
04:16 Early Galileo
07:15 Drama with the Grand Duchess
10:09 Two things that had changed since Copernicus
11:45 Galileo and the Inquisition round 1
16:48 New Pope
20:29 Galileo writes his “Dialogue”
22:46 Publishing troubles
24:36 The reception of “Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems”
27:23 Galileo and the Inquisition round 2
32:04 The Pope overrules the Inquisition
33:58 Debunking myths about Galileo, Copernicus, and the Church
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What good parenting can teach us about a Father God
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What does psychology tell us about the best way to parent, and how does that jive with a God who describes himself as "Father"? For more than 50 years researchers have been talking about parenting in terms of "warmth" and "control". 00:00 No instruction manual 00:28 Warmth and Control 01:11 Negligent Parenting 01:29 Authoritarian Parenting 02:12 Permissive Parenting 04:33 Authoritative Parentin...
Why Religious Burdens Are Light
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00:00 The paradoxically high well-being of religious people 04:04 What is self-regulation? 04:47 Explicit vs implicit self-regulation 06:02 Introduction to the studies 06:59 Religion makes people more generous and trustworthy 08:36 Religious people are better at delaying gratification 09:56 Prayer reduces anger 10:20 Religion increases people’s sense of meaning and purpose 11:22 Has Christianit...
How to read the Bible when it feels like a chore
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Sometimes reading the Bible feels like a chore or like checking a box. Here are a couple wrong expectations, the most important thing to remember when you’re reading scripture, and then a half-dozen practical tips that might help you if you find yourself in a spiritual dry spell. 00:00 Introduction 00:37 Don't expect reading the Bible to always feel easy 02:17 Takeaways are NOT the gauge of "su...
These aren't just wise words from some guy
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These aren't just wise words from some guy
Church Camp
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Church Camp
pruning
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pruning
You are not in charge
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You are not in charge
Seeing Clearly
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Seeing Clearly
gentleness and speed
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gentleness and speed
Thank you Tim
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Thank you Tim
as a statue
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as a statue
space for Zelda
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space for Zelda
Welcome to The Thinking Believer
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Welcome to The Thinking Believer
Ancient Astrology Crash Course // Star of Bethlehem Bonus Content
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Ancient Astrology Crash Course // Star of Bethlehem Bonus Content
The BEST explanation for the Star of Bethlehem
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The BEST explanation for the Star of Bethlehem
Four MYTHS about Galileo and the Church
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Four MYTHS about Galileo and the Church
Jesus and the Law
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Jesus and the Law
Do love and beauty make sense?
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Do love and beauty make sense?
How Can This Be The Church?
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How Can This Be The Church?
What Vikings teach about God's love
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What Vikings teach about God's love
For Christians Do Ends Justify the Means?
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For Christians Do Ends Justify the Means?
Who Were the Maccabees? (And what did they mean for Jesus?)
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Who Were the Maccabees? (And what did they mean for Jesus?)
Why is the New Testament written in Greek?
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Why is the New Testament written in Greek?
How the Old Testament Ends
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How the Old Testament Ends
Should Christians be THINKERS?
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Should Christians be THINKERS?
Who did the Jesus stories come from?
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Who did the Jesus stories come from?
What we KNOW about the Apostle Paul (and why it matters)
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What we KNOW about the Apostle Paul (and why it matters)
God, Shakespeare, and C.S. Lewis
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God, Shakespeare, and C.S. Lewis
Why were some names AVOIDED by 1st century Jews?
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Why were some names AVOIDED by 1st century Jews?

Комментарии

  • @ethanreches5508
    @ethanreches5508 Час назад

    Back then it wasn't Palestine but Judea

  • @omg-bh4pg
    @omg-bh4pg 3 дня назад

    Is it possible to definitively date the "septuagent" translation of Isaiah? It is possible that it was translated as late as 500 ce.

  • @wardafournello
    @wardafournello 4 дня назад

    INFORMATIONS FROM CRISTIAN HISTORIANS... The persecution of pagans in the later Roman empire began towards the end of the reign of Constantine the Great when he ordered the sacking and demolition of temples.Representatives of Constantine removed statues, doors, and even ceilings from pagan temples, to adorn the Hippodrome of Constantinople with them. Precious metal art was removed from temples in Rome, Athens, Nicomedia, Caesarea, Sardinia, Sebastia, Crete, Cyprus, Rhodes, Chios, Antalya, Iconium, Smyrna, Seleucia, Nicaea, Sicily, Antioch and elsewhere. Constantine financed the building of Constantinople and Christian churches from pagan temples and at the same time gave enormous privileges - administrative and financial - to the Christian church.During his reign, Christian citizens began vandalizing pagan temples, tombs, and monuments. His son Constantius the 353 ordered all pagan temples to be closed, banned pagan religions under penalty of death and removed the traditional Victory Altar from the Senate.Trials and executions of pagans took place, and the punishments are vaguely referred to as "divine and human punishments". The Greek Christian historian Eusebius mentions the destruction of four temples, three of the goddess Aphrodite and one of Asclepius in Constantinople.He also mentions the destruction of 5 temples: Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Heliopolis and Aphaca (in Lebanon), the temple of Asclepius in the eastern Anatolia and the temple of Mamre in Palestine. Justinian closed Plato's Academy! The Christian Latin historian Firmicus Maternus advised: "Paganism, my emperors, must be destroyed ... that this deadly delusion stain the Roman world" and "How fortunate you are, that God, of whom you are the means, has chosen to destroy idolatry and pull down their temples.” Needless to mention what happened in Ancient Greece. Everything was destroyed and looted, They did not dare to demolish the Acropolis of Athens, but they dared to dedicate it to the Virgin Mary! Crypto-pagans existed in Greece until the 8th century. According to American historian Perez Zagorin, the persecutions of the Christian church against the pagans due to the unprecedented lack of tolerance, was one of the reasons that led Europe to the Middle Ages.The revival of ancient Greek values ​​led to the Renaissance. Herbermann in 1911, claimed that Constantius' anti-pagan legislation led to the Middle Ages and was the basis of the Inquisition.

  • @HyperFocusMarshmallow
    @HyperFocusMarshmallow 4 дня назад

    The very last statement is ”… taught me to be more skeptical of my skepticism”. - I don’t particularly like this way of phrasing it. Keep being skeptical. Just be skeptical of various narratives regardless of what their conclusions happen to be. Skepticism as just general disbelief of a certain set of ideas would be quite tendentious. I think any useful notion of skepticism include doing the homework or the research and revising beliefs based on the evidence you encounter. Evaluate claims skeptically when you can and proportion your beliefs to the evidence and reasons you have to believe them. Don’t go in with the assumption that that will mean: holding to it with all your heart.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 4 дня назад

      I think that's a great way to frame it. C.S. Lewis talks about it like "seeing through something". He makes the point that it's only useful to see through something if you're trying to see something on the other side. If you just go on seeing through everything you'll never actually see anything at all. Skepticism is only helpful when it is used in a search for truth and not an end in itself.

  • @dove5591
    @dove5591 5 дней назад

    "Both Herodotus and Thucydides describe the Macedonians as foreigners, a distinct people living outside of the frontiers of the Greek city-states" - Eugene Borza, In the Shadow of Olympus p. 96.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 4 дня назад

      Yep. For the sake of simplicity and time in the video I didn't go into the distinctions. My biggest challenge in making videos like this is knowing what to cut and what not to. If I had known how many people would get hung up on that (at least based on the comments section) I would've probably added it. 🤷 Now I know for next time.

    • @dove5591
      @dove5591 4 дня назад

      ​@@TheThinkingBeliever it is like putting the face of the failed Austrian painter on the thumbnail to represent the Jewish culture 😂 read and open the Holy Bible Acts 20:1-2 Macedonia is not greece 😶‍🌫️

    • @dove5591
      @dove5591 4 дня назад

      ​@@TheThinkingBelieverChristians must not do such huge errors Macedonia is a Biblical land the Macedonian Church is the oldest in Europe

    • @dove5591
      @dove5591 4 дня назад

      ​@@TheThinkingBeliever I can not see my comments 😬

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 4 дня назад

      @@dove5591 Oh strange! I have no idea why that might be.

  • @murryno
    @murryno 5 дней назад

    If you are serious Catholic, this leyend should sound absolutely impossible. Scholasticism, logical inquiry, research, engineering, high art, music theory, math, physics and astrolonomy… thats what the renaissance and Medieval church where about. Poeple might be mistaken with the lutherans, protestants and similar heretics that belive in magic and witchcraft. Their church did oppose science staunchly until it failed so catastrophically that their societies did a 180 and drowned in it.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 4 дня назад

      I 100% agree with the first half of your post. The idea that there was a "Dark Age" as a result of Christianity and the Church is a myth. It's amazing to learn about all the advances that happened during that time. That said, I must confess that I'm a "protestant heretic" as you put it, so do with that as you will. 🤣 I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for chiming in.

  • @matrinoxtm
    @matrinoxtm 5 дней назад

    I feel like the story you told still shows the same concerning problem: that the church thought the motions of the earth was in contrary to their theology. I think that's what most people find concerning, like with the young earth theory and anti-evolution. That Christians can deny something being true based solely on how they interpret the scriptures. Maybe it Galileo v the church was just politics but what supports and gives power to the political motivations? Theological interpretation

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 4 дня назад

      To me there are a couple important distinctions: First, and most importantly, it wasn't Galileo versus the church. It was one part of the church vs another part of the church. It wasn't Christians vs scientists, it was Christians vs Christians and there were academics and scientists on both sides. Along those same lines, even most of the people who denied the earth moved weren't denying Copernicanism was "true based solely on how they interpret the scriptures." Cardinal Bellarmine (who wrote the note to Galileo) is a perfect example of this. He told Galileo he just hadn't seen enough evidence to convince him yet (recall that a central piece of Galileo's argument was that the tides were caused by the earth's movement) and he wasn't going to change his reading of these parts of scripture until a better case was made. The problem isn't with theology, the problem is with bad theology. Theology is what led Kepler to practice science to begin with. The theological beliefs that God is a God of order is what led early scientists to refer to natural phenomena as "laws" (e.g. the law of gravity). There's a false narrative that puts theology, Christians, and the church on one side and lumps them with all the negatives and then puts science, secularism, and reason on the other side. But the history of science didn't actually unfold that way. I hope that helps clarify what I was trying to communicate. I appreciate your perspective!

    • @matrinoxtm
      @matrinoxtm 4 дня назад

      @ it sounds like you came to the same conclusion: that it is bad theology. Again, I think that’s the problem, that people can take scripture, misinterpret it, and then use it to justify against science. Just like how some parts of the church would take scriptures like “the earth can’t be moved” to mean that the earth must be the center of the universe, Christians nowadays use the 7 day creation in Genesis to mean that the earth must be young and that there can’t be evolution because God made man out of dirt. These literal interpretations are used as basis to deny evolution and the age of the earth. I agree that it isn’t the theology itself - I don’t think the Bible is in conflict with science. After all, how can the truth about our universe be in conflict with God’s complete and perfect truth? And yet, some Christians choose to dig in here when the evidence is so clear the other way. I think the Galileo story is a warning against using theology to interpret science because it so often turns out that interpretation was wrong. And here we are again with anti-evolution Christians that do not see the irony that they believe in heliocentrism, despite evolution having way more evidence for it than Galileo had at the time.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 3 дня назад

      @@matrinoxtm It sounds that way! Augustine has a great quote on the topic in one of his commentaries on Genesis. He says, "In matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision, even in such as we may find treated in Holy Scripture, different interpretations are sometimes possible without prejudice to the faith we have received. In such a case, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search of truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it. That would be to battle not for the teaching of Holy Scripture but for our own, wishing its teaching to conform to ours, whereas we ought to wish ours to conform to that of Sacred Scripture." - - Literal Meaning of Genesis, Book 1: 18.37 Thanks for chiming in! I appreciated hearing your perspective and it will sharpen the way I think about communicating these things in the future!

    • @matrinoxtm
      @matrinoxtm 3 дня назад

      @@TheThinkingBeliever Thanks for taking the time to calmly and clearly articulate your thoughts to me! I agree with that quote. My hope is that Christians may soften their stances as to not stumble non-believers into thinking Christians don't believe in the truth if they reject evolution.

  • @anatomicallymodernhuman5175
    @anatomicallymodernhuman5175 5 дней назад

    Wow, that’s powerful. You know, in the Genesis prologue where God ordains the heavenly bodies for their purposes with respect to the Adamic race, he says that they are for signs and seasons. Yes, modern astrology is obviously bunk. But I do think we see evidence in the scriptures that the heavenly bodies signify key events. This is not fortune telling. It’s simply a sign of God’s providential rule of his cosmos.

  • @JonSchwark
    @JonSchwark 5 дней назад

    This actually makes the church look worse, regardless over whether a few in the hierarchy who thought Galileo's ideas were fine. They should never have had any power over science or research that could be perverted into a witch hunt. The earth's motion is not a dangerous subject in the least. That idea had held back science for a generation. "Oh no, he didn't get proper permission from our mullah in a funny hat to publish his science book - lock him up!!!". Awful. Thank god that power doesn't exist today.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 4 дня назад

      That's a fascinating take! I appreciate hearing your perspective. If you have a minute I'd love to hear more. I have a couple questions: How do you feel about the fact that Copernicus was actually urged to write his theory to begin with by leaders in the church? I didn't mention this in the video, but Copernicus was actually afraid of ridicule from other academics, which is why he had sat on his theory. Should they not have used their power to influence Copernicus to write? Or about the fact that the church invested more into astronomical research than every other organization combined? In your mind would it have been better for them to never support scientists so that they wouldn't have any undue influence with them? Like I said, I'd love to better understand your perspective.

  • @carolpellow7071
    @carolpellow7071 5 дней назад

    Have you heard of this fist century coin with a ram ( Aries) which designated the region of Syria, and the interplay of the planets Jupiter and Saturn re the sun and moon rising in the east? This appears to confirm the 6 BC date. ruclips.net/video/HFl6JS9zobI/видео.html

  • @MardukElAddad
    @MardukElAddad 6 дней назад

    Stupid

  • @Gina-d6s
    @Gina-d6s 6 дней назад

    Blessings

  • @Gina-d6s
    @Gina-d6s 6 дней назад

    Happy Kings Day. I appreciate that you took the time to put this study together in a short sweet succinct breakdown. Have some Kings cake today and hopefully you get the lucky coin and can be crowned for the day. Peace and love.

  • @StraitGateNarrowWay
    @StraitGateNarrowWay 7 дней назад

    Delivery of the girdles HEREIN: the very Strait Gate, Narrow way - Jesus told us to find, but said few find it; and some are unable to enter in, -also the Sign of Jonah and so very much more! Most saints ignore those ❤RED❤ letter Words of Christ, from the Sermon on the Mount - to strive to enter in the Strait Gate and narrow way. The question begs, WHY? God bless ya’ll, I love you all! ❤ DON'T MISS THIS! Proverbs 30:5 (KJV) Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Luke 4:4 (KJV) And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Matthew 4:4 (KJV) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Deuteronomy 21:5 (KJV) And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be [tried]: Psalm 12:6 (KJV) The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Psalm 66:6 (KJV) He turned the sea into dry [land]: they went through the flood on foot: there did we rejoice in him. Psalm 66:10 (KJV) For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. Psalm 66:11 (KJV) Thou broughtest us into the net; thou laidst affliction upon our loins. Psalm 99:9 (KJV) Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God [is] holy. Zechariah 13:9 (KJV) And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God. 2 Corinthians 4:2 (KJV) But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. Psalm 118:26 (KJV) Blessed [be] he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD. Psalm 122:1 (KJV) [[A Song of degrees of David.]] I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD. Psalm 127:1 (KJV) [[A Song of degrees for Solomon.]] Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh [but] in vain. Psalm 134:1 (KJV) [[A Song of degrees.]] Behold, bless ye the LORD, all [ye] servants of the LORD, which by night stand in the house of the LORD. Proverbs 3:33 (KJV) The curse of the LORD [is] in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just. Proverbs 15:25 (KJV) The LORD will destroy the house of the proud: but he will establish the border of the widow. Isaiah 2:2 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. Exodus 15:17 (KJV) Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, [in] the place, O LORD, [which] thou hast made for thee to dwell in, [in] the Sanctuary, O Lord, [which] thy hands have established. Micah 4:1 (KJV) But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. James 1:17 (KJV) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Psalm 89:15 (KJV) Blessed [is] the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk, O LORD, in the light of thy countenance. Isaiah 2:5 (KJV) O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD. Ephesians 5:8 (KJV) For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light: Psalm 20:2 (KJV) Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion; Hebrew 6:4-6 4 ¶ For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

  • @shakiMiki
    @shakiMiki 7 дней назад

    As a Christian....loooooool

  • @StevenBerg69
    @StevenBerg69 7 дней назад

    Cool stuff! I share your fascination and heart! What is your name, though? Have I missed it?

  • @ChristopherAlsruhe-si9ff
    @ChristopherAlsruhe-si9ff 7 дней назад

    Who cares? There was a star of some sort, whatever it was made of, it was seen as a star. This question has been and will be debated until the end of time. Why won't people give it up and consider the one of whom the star Spoke? Let's stop the wasted time of the speculative and know God and his son Jesus Christ. John 17:3, this is eternal life.

  • @coulie27
    @coulie27 7 дней назад

    Awesome vid! Great research 🙏🙌

  • @hernandez-yanezboldvoyager2623
    @hernandez-yanezboldvoyager2623 8 дней назад

    May God bless you, empower you and may He take your channel to the highest levels possible so more souls can be saved, in Jesus' name, amen! Great content my friend. One suggestion, you have a great discerning gift, please listen to The Book Of Melquisedek, which was found among The Dead Seas, in cave 11, in Quram. I've read it and understood it already. I believe it will clarify many things and give you great content, if you haven't done so by now. Shalom!

  • @timothytrudgen8881
    @timothytrudgen8881 8 дней назад

    im not sure that the bible says you should not read the stars. But it does say there should be no divination. And modern astrology is divination, determining the future or onez fate by the stars. But Ancient astrology was about the times and what the God's were doing. It was about divine revealation, and i think the ancient jews were very familiar with it as were most peoples. When you see the stars most nights you tend to wonder what they are saying. Ive had God talk to me through the stars when i used to live in a tent.

  • @blain20_
    @blain20_ 8 дней назад

    What I've gathered so far: Jesus was born on 9/11/3 BC (approx. Tishrei 1). Herod died around Feb 1 BC (he asked for an apple which likely disqualifies the March 4 BC lunar eclipse happening prior to this as apples were out of season but gives credence to the January 1 BC eclipse occurring before this). Quinctilius Varus was assigned to the area a second time (the first being in 6 BC where he held a local poll requiring everyone to swear fealty to Herod, but 6,000 Pharisees refused) in BC and was noted as meeting with Herod (Josephus). Varus' family tomb had an inscription mentioning a member of the family serving twice, but the name is broken off. The person is two entries after Varus first 6 BC service, but it's thought the second one is his. Augustus required a head count registration for the entire Roman empire in preparation for a celebration held in 2 BC for the Secular Games and also bestowing the title of Father of Fatherland onto Augustus. I haven't figured out why Luke mentions Quirinius for the 3 BC period, but some think this Quirinius isn't the same guy as the governor in AD 6. Also, some say the term translated to governor from the Greek isn't explicitly the title for governor. We have a Hebrew Luke coming out soon, so I'll check then.

  • @markwhitmore7013
    @markwhitmore7013 8 дней назад

    This is excellent... I wish you would have made the name "King of kings" a big deal in this video.

  • @georgiospapadimitriou1509
    @georgiospapadimitriou1509 8 дней назад

    The Greek language is from God, and therefore it is mathematical, and the most complete, but also evolving language with infinite possibilities...!!!

  • @iang2315
    @iang2315 9 дней назад

    Start by reading the Gospel of Matthew. The star did NOT lead the Magi to Jerusalem. It did lead them to a house in Bethlehem. The road to Jerusalem was part of a well-established trading route through the Fertile Crescent from Mesopotamia and beyond to Syria, Israel, and Egypt. Matthew references Genesis and Exodus. The Star was a supernatural phenomenon. God does not use astrology. It is forbidden.

  • @davidsicking7514
    @davidsicking7514 9 дней назад

    Additional. These motions occured in ~3 BC. And that agrees with other approaches to the year of Christ's birth.

  • @davidsicking7514
    @davidsicking7514 9 дней назад

    In ~1958 the Cincinnati, Ohio planetarium presented a lecture on Maji ( astronomer/astrologers ) potential observations. It pointed to positions changing directions of motion of significant planets. One changed to retrograde and the second changed to retrograde and back in the same year. The account was that they looked for significant enough events to bring such a strong portent. By then Alexander had established quite a few libraries. So they could look at many predictions and pick the most important. If this was combined with a super nova, just so much more. Look, no tail.

  • @nihar1987
    @nihar1987 9 дней назад

    On April 17 of 6 BC, The moon does not eclipse Jupiter until 12 30 in the afternoon as seen from the middle East, well into daylight hours. The independent verification you saw was with the atmosphere turned off in stellarium. With the atmosphere in the daytime the occultation is not visible so the entire theory falls apart

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 8 дней назад

      That's a really great observation! The point the book makes is that, similar to what is happening in a stellarium, ancient astrologers had mathematically mapped the movements of the planets, meaning they wouldn't need to be visible in order for astrologers to know what was happening. Hope that helps! I appreciate you chiming in!

  • @ArmyJay
    @ArmyJay 10 дней назад

    Wow.. jumps in logic so long you should be an olympic champion long jumper. And a world champion in ignoring awkward information. And confirmation bias… which is what all religion relies on. But they call it “faith”. I always take believers’ searches for “proof” as signs of doubt, a lack of confidence in their *beliefs* . And the fact that they make so much noise about it, like you do, is a huge case of “the lady doth protest too much”.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 8 дней назад

      Ha! Well, they aren't exactly my jumps in logic, I'm just summarizing the case this author is making. And I'm really taking the opposite approach of trying to use this as proof. This is a passage of scripture that has always seemed nonsensical to me. To take one small example, the passage says "the star went ahead of them and it stopped", which isn't how stars behave. You can either believe that the author and his audience were stupid and ignorant of the basic behavior of stars, or you can leave open the possibility that there's something I don't understand here about what they're trying to communicate. Until I read this theory I had never heard anything that seemed to offer a plausible explanation for what they author was trying to communicate (whether or not someone believes it to be true). Are there any parts of what you believe that you are still wrestling with or do you feel like you've got everything figured out?

    • @ArmyJay
      @ArmyJay 8 дней назад

      @ While i agree the (unknown) authors were trying to convey meaning, a message, i wholly disagree that they somehow knew, at least 70 or so years later after hearing about it second, third, or fourth hand? I mean, it’s not like there’s a gospel, or any other writings, that recorded this supposed train of events at the time - as you say, the Jewish scribes, Rabbis/Priests et al wouldn’t know about or care about astrology. Who told the gospel authors? What about the unresolvable differences between the accounts of the nativity in Matthew and Luke? Yes, they’re trying to communicate something, but in my opinion they were using a fictional story, filled with allegory and “prophesy” to do so. Thanks for replying though. I hope you have a happy new year.

  • @r0kcandy88
    @r0kcandy88 10 дней назад

    I have Yehusha's birthday marked as April 14 2025 (on 52 week/364d solar calendar) and his birthday weekend is 4 day, with 4/20 on the false sabbath! Pretty cool❤

  • @quiricomazarin476
    @quiricomazarin476 10 дней назад

    Christ WAS born on Dec 25th ..year could be off ....bible only heretic protest ants. Catholic church made bible proves it , but you bible only heretics reject Gods Full word & the bible.

  • @Dimi-h6x
    @Dimi-h6x 10 дней назад

    Its pathetic when someone like you is giving historical garbage to the world, with no facts???? St. Paul went to Macedonia, cos receive visions/dreams about Macedonian from Macedonia call him to come and save them! St Paul was bitten and prosecuted by Aheans and Jews in Thessaloniki. Alexander of Macedonia, not from Greece ! You are spreading Catholic propaganda .

    • @elenilepouri7253
      @elenilepouri7253 9 дней назад

      No kid - its Alexandros ( Greek etymology name refered in Greek texts 3000 yrs before) Alexandros Phillipos Demetrios Krateros Olympiada Thessaloniki etc are Greek Makedonian nanmes with Greek etymology- is that clear? Stojan Ivan Goran Zoran etc are not Makedonian names but slavis 1000 yrs later Is that clear kid???

    • @Dimi-h6x
      @Dimi-h6x 9 дней назад

      @elenilepouri7253 Bruslios leeos, Tarzanios, Filipios, Mario Polosios, Julios Cezarios, yes everyone is from Athens. Pathetic.

    • @elenilepouri7253
      @elenilepouri7253 9 дней назад

      @@Dimi-h6x You are in confusion What has to do latin names mixed with Greek names? Do you know what etymology means?? Most of Greek names are compose and had an etymology in Greek language Philipos Philos( friend) ipos( horse) Alex- andros( andras - man) Android- from the Greek andras( man) Etc Mario- Caesar- brusiis- julios arent Greek names but Latin Makedonia is a Greek name kid

  • @apostolictruth
    @apostolictruth 11 дней назад

    Great video but you made a false statement. Yes God does call astrology a sin the jews still practiced astrology. The gematria, kabballah and jewish esoteric doctrines mastered astrology.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 8 дней назад

      Fascinating! That's not something I've heard before. Could you point me in the direction of a source I could look at to learn more? I've always heard the opposite so I'd be curious to learn more. Thanks for sharing!

  • @wardafournello
    @wardafournello 11 дней назад

    The Roman empire found a way to unite its disparate populations by fanaticizing them with a new religion. So it commissioned various Greek-speaking scribes and they wrote all the sacred texts in Koine Greek language ,the universal spoken language.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 8 дней назад

      That's certainly an interesting take, but not one I've ever heard from a real historian. Is there a source you'd cite to support that or is it something you've come to on your end or found on the internet? I'm always looking to learn more!

    • @wardafournello
      @wardafournello 8 дней назад

      @@TheThinkingBeliever It is known that Christianity was imposed by force, with imperial decrees polytheism was persecuted. And it is historically clear that the spread of Christianity took place in populations that spoke the Greek language. INFORMATIONS FROM CRISTIAN HISTORIANS... The persecution of pagans in the later Roman empire began towards the end of the reign of Constantine the Great when he ordered the sacking and demolition of temples.Representatives of Constantine removed statues, doors, and even ceilings from pagan temples, to adorn the Hippodrome of Constantinople with them. Precious metal art was removed from temples in Rome, Athens, Nicomedia, Caesarea, Sardinia, Sebastia, Crete, Cyprus, Rhodes, Chios, Antalya, Iconium, Smyrna, Seleucia, Nicaea, Sicily, Antioch and elsewhere. Constantine financed the building of Constantinople and Christian churches from pagan temples and at the same time gave enormous privileges - administrative and financial - to the Christian church.During his reign, Christian citizens began vandalizing pagan temples, tombs, and monuments. His son Constantius the 353 ordered all pagan temples to be closed, banned pagan religions under penalty of death and removed the traditional Victory Altar from the Senate.Trials and executions of pagans took place, and the punishments are vaguely referred to as "divine and human punishments". The Greek Christian historian Eusebius mentions the destruction of four temples, three of the goddess Aphrodite and one of Asclepius in Constantinople.He also mentions the destruction of 5 temples: Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Heliopolis and Aphaca (in Lebanon), the temple of Asclepius in the eastern Anatolia and the temple of Mamre in Palestine. Justinian closed Plato's Academy! The Christian Latin historian Firmicus Maternus advised: "Paganism, my emperors, must be destroyed ... that this deadly delusion stain the Roman world" and "How fortunate you are, that God, of whom you are the means, has chosen to destroy idolatry and pull down their temples.” Needless to mention what happened in Ancient Greece. Everything was destroyed and looted, They did not dare to demolish the Acropolis of Athens, but they dared to dedicate it to the Virgin Mary! Crypto-pagans existed in Greece until the 8th century. According to American historian Perez Zagorin, the persecutions of the Christian church against the pagans due to the unprecedented lack of tolerance, was one of the reasons that led Europe to the Middle Ages.The revival of ancient Greek values ​​led to the Renaissance. Herbermann in 1911, claimed that Constantius' anti-pagan legislation led to the Middle Ages and was the basis of the Inquisition.

    • @TheThinkingBeliever
      @TheThinkingBeliever 4 дня назад

      Interesting. The historian Tacitus says Nero "inflicted the most exquisite tortures" on Christians. We have letters between Pliny the Younger and Trajan talking about Pliny putting Christians to death even though they'd committed no crime and Trajan encourages him in it. Emperors Decius, Valerian, and Diocletian also put Christians to death if they wouldn't recant and burned their writings. You said "it is known that Christianity was imposed by force", but I'm not aware of any effort to impose Christianity by force that came anywhere close to the efforts the Roman Empire to impose paganism by force. Are there examples you're familiar with that I'm just not aware of? Or any other evidence that it was a Roman conspiracy?

    • @wardafournello
      @wardafournello 4 дня назад

      ​@@TheThinkingBeliever INFORMATIONS FROM CRISTIAN HISTORIANS... The persecution of pagans in the later Roman empire began towards the end of the reign of Constantine the Great when he ordered the sacking and demolition of temples.Representatives of Constantine removed statues, doors, and even ceilings from pagan temples, to adorn the Hippodrome of Constantinople with them. Precious metal art was removed from temples in Rome, Athens, Nicomedia, Caesarea, Sardinia, Sebastia, Crete, Cyprus, Rhodes, Chios, Antalya, Iconium, Smyrna, Seleucia, Nicaea, Sicily, Antioch and elsewhere. Constantine financed the building of Constantinople and Christian churches from pagan temples and at the same time gave enormous privileges - administrative and financial - to the Christian church.During his reign, Christian citizens began vandalizing pagan temples, tombs, and monuments. His son Constantius the 353 ordered all pagan temples to be closed, banned pagan religions under penalty of death and removed the traditional Victory Altar from the Senate.Trials and executions of pagans took place, and the punishments are vaguely referred to as "divine and human punishments". The Greek Christian historian Eusebius mentions the destruction of four temples, three of the goddess Aphrodite and one of Asclepius in Constantinople.He also mentions the destruction of 5 temples: Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Heliopolis and Aphaca (in Lebanon), the temple of Asclepius in the eastern Anatolia and the temple of Mamre in Palestine. Justinian closed Plato's Academy! The Christian Latin historian Firmicus Maternus advised: "Paganism, my emperors, must be destroyed ... that this deadly delusion stain the Roman world" and "How fortunate you are, that God, of whom you are the means, has chosen to destroy idolatry and pull down their temples.” Needless to mention what happened in Ancient Greece. Everything was destroyed and looted, They did not dare to demolish the Acropolis of Athens, but they dared to dedicate it to the Virgin Mary! Crypto-pagans existed in Greece until the 8th century. According to American historian Perez Zagorin, the persecutions of the Christian church against the pagans due to the unprecedented lack of tolerance, was one of the reasons that led Europe to the Middle Ages.The revival of ancient Greek values ​​led to the Renaissance. Herbermann in 1911, claimed that Constantius' anti-pagan legislation led to the Middle Ages and was the basis of the Inquisition.

    • @wardafournello
      @wardafournello 4 дня назад

      @@TheThinkingBeliever INFORMATIONS FROM CRISTIAN HISTORIANS... The persecution of pagans in the later Roman empire began towards the end of the reign of Constantine the Great when he ordered the sacking and demolition of temples.Representatives of Constantine removed statues, doors, and even ceilings from pagan temples, to adorn the Hippodrome of Constantinople with them. Precious metal art was removed from temples in Rome, Athens, Nicomedia, Caesarea, Sardinia, Sebastia, Crete, Cyprus, Rhodes, Chios, Antalya, Iconium, Smyrna, Seleucia, Nicaea, Sicily, Antioch and elsewhere. Constantine financed the building of Constantinople and Christian churches from pagan temples and at the same time gave enormous privileges - administrative and financial - to the Christian church.During his reign, Christian citizens began vandalizing pagan temples, tombs, and monuments. His son Constantius the 353 ordered all pagan temples to be closed, banned pagan religions under penalty of death and removed the traditional Victory Altar from the Senate.Trials and executions of pagans took place, and the punishments are vaguely referred to as "divine and human punishments". The Greek Christian historian Eusebius mentions the destruction of four temples, three of the goddess Aphrodite and one of Asclepius in Constantinople.He also mentions the destruction of 5 temples: Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Heliopolis and Aphaca (in Lebanon), the temple of Asclepius in the eastern Anatolia and the temple of Mamre in Palestine. Justinian closed Plato's Academy! The Christian Latin historian Firmicus Maternus advised: "Paganism, my emperors, must be destroyed ... that this deadly delusion stain the Roman world" and "How fortunate you are, that God, of whom you are the means, has chosen to destroy idolatry and pull down their temples.” Needless to mention what happened in Ancient Greece. Everything was destroyed and looted, They did not dare to demolish the Acropolis of Athens, but they dared to dedicate it to the Virgin Mary! Crypto-pagans existed in Greece until the 8th century. According to American historian Perez Zagorin, the persecutions of the Christian church against the pagans due to the unprecedented lack of tolerance, was one of the reasons that led Europe to the Middle Ages.The revival of ancient Greek values ​​led to the Renaissance. Herbermann in 1911, claimed that Constantius' anti-pagan legislation led to the Middle Ages and was the basis of the Inquisition.

  • @PomahXomehko
    @PomahXomehko 11 дней назад

    Jesus was born in 5BC and a comet appeared in the sky for 70 days astronomical resources the Chinese this started on March the 10 till May 19th the Ram and star matches and that's Roman history according to Luke mentioned shepherds meaning it was Spring and not Winter now according to Gnostic scriptures mentioned Jesus was all ready walking at the time of Herod the Great death in 4BC so basically there's more to this story. Luke mentioned 15th year of Tiberius meaning 27AD there were two Roman Emperors reining in 12AD for two years until official Tiberius started his tenure in 14AD the crucifixion was carried out on 16th year of Tiberius meaning 30AD . So history fits in .

  • @TorianTammas
    @TorianTammas 11 дней назад

    The Greeks hellenized the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, and so Greek authors wrote in Greek to a Greek audience a savior story with a Jewish touch. The language of trade and the educated was Greek. We find in this Greek-Roman literature about "Iesous" story elements from Homer, Euripides, and even Greek philosophers. So Greek authors produced for a Greek audience a wide variety of these "Iesous" stories. We have 5 in the story collection and at least 25 outside. It wasn't written for Bob from Idaho as he neither speaks Greek and the world is very different from the Greek world. So basically Bob is not only 2000 years and 10000 miles away from the story about Iesous but has a foreign culture and does not understand the story elements as they are Greek, 2000 years old and 10000 miles away.

  • @Brian-gj5xm
    @Brian-gj5xm 11 дней назад

    Interesting and it may be significant, but this doesn't seem remarkable enough to deem the Savior is born. I challenge you to continue your research into the significance of Virgo, Leo, Regulus, Jupiter, Mercury, Venus and Mars; Revelation 12 and the triple conjunction of Jupiter encircling Regulus which is the main (king) star in the constellation Leo - the symbol of Judea from which tribe the Messiah would be born. This conjunction occured at the same time three other planets (Mercury, Venus and Mars) were at the head of Virgo - the Virgin (Mary). These plenets in addition to the 9 stars that make up Leo, completed the 12 stars, or crown on the head of Virgo as well as the position of the sun and moon which we read in Revelation 12: "A great sign appeared in the Heavens, a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under Her feet and on Her head, a crown of twelve stars..." I don't recall the exact date this starry dance occured, but between 3 BC and 2 BC, and the date of Sept 11-12th are significant; either the annunciation or birth. I don't recall because its to much to remember off hand. But much more convincing then any other explanation I've heard.

  • @AtarahDerek
    @AtarahDerek 11 дней назад

    You really need to watch Rick Larson's Star of Bethlehem presentation. You're only covering two of the nine clues about the star, and you're looking in the wrong year. Also, the magi didn't associate Jerusalem with Aries because they weren't Roman. They associated Judea as a whole with Leo because the lion is the symbol of the tribe of Judah.

  • @gmh5484
    @gmh5484 11 дней назад

    Christ is the rightful King of the Jews and Jerusalem it's capital. What is so difficult? Rex Judaeorum, lat. King of the Jews. The star was a comet that is capable of indicating the direction. When the Coma stands vertical, the star has stopped. Out in space his trajectory made a turn. Why God cannot send a comet to indicate the Incarnation visitation on earth, in human history? Who says others didn't se it??? Only because it is not written? The MTh-BacPhil.

  • @chadbailey3623
    @chadbailey3623 11 дней назад

    The problem is that astrologers of the East would probably not been using Greco-Roman astrology, but Zoroastrian. Jimmy Akin goes into this.

  • @SherylAllen-w5t
    @SherylAllen-w5t 12 дней назад

    The concept of the "integral age" of a prophet is that the prophet died in the month or the very day in which they were conceived. This is rabbinic tradition, as I understand it. A conception date (rather than a birth date of April 17th) would allign with Passover in April of whichever year Jesus was crucified/ resurrected. It would also allign with Eastern Orthodox celebration of Christmas in January. And coincidentally, the Awassi sheep native to Israel would be birthing sheep in the fields in Israel in December/ January. (Shepherds keeping watch over their flocks by night.)

  • @jerkerMAN-nf3ns
    @jerkerMAN-nf3ns 12 дней назад

    The Greek language Η ΟΜΗΡΙΚΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΓΛΩΣΣΑ στην ασια ΕΙΝΑΙ ΤΟ ΒΑΘΡΟ ΣΤΟ ΟΠΟΙΟ ΚΑΘΟΝΤΑΙ ΑΡΑΒΙΚΑ ΚΙ ΕΒΡΑΙΚΑ ΓΛΩΣΣΙΚΑ ΙΔΙΩΜΑΤΑ ΤΗΣ ΑΥΤΗΣ ΓΛΩΤΤΗΣ π.χ. βελος is soleb said is dias suez is zeus its basic the samme language mirrored ! all people from UR side of the globe speaks greek , but from difFrend time periods of the same language that transform to todays greek ! ALL THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TEORIES FROM 1800s ARE ERRORED BY TODAYS STANDARds

  • @stephenfriesen7636
    @stephenfriesen7636 13 дней назад

    Great video. Thank you. Never heard of this stuff before…

  • @ExplorewithSunnyGill
    @ExplorewithSunnyGill 14 дней назад

    I have this coin

  • @joegagliardi3984
    @joegagliardi3984 14 дней назад

    Call me crazy, but if I was trying to write a believable story of Jesus’ birth, I would have scraped the entire “Star of David” event. If you had to travel from Persia to Jerusalem that night, the star would have moved from its original position and, given the lack of technology at the time (ex. telescope) the Magi would not have been able to determine the star was directly above the city. There’s far too much contradiction between the four Gospels and the fact that the authors waited at least a half-century to begin writing is suspect.

    • @mattk6719
      @mattk6719 11 дней назад

      Half a century? Who told you that? Even conservative estimates place the Gospels much earlier than Paul's writings, and Paul's writings were earlier than 70 A.D. But even if it was longer it wouldn't really change anything. Also, what contradictions? You mean their different perspectives?

  • @onlyhis5870
    @onlyhis5870 15 дней назад

    Very helpful. Thank you! 🙏🏼

  • @dabberowl
    @dabberowl 15 дней назад

    The quality of this channel's uploads is amazing; the subscriber count should be far higher! I just found you tonight, and I'm looking forward to going through your catalog.

  • @henkenmarionschuringaart-ku6zb
    @henkenmarionschuringaart-ku6zb 15 дней назад

    Why trying to explain something that most probably never happened? Matthew and Luke made the whole story up. Marc and John have no story about Jesus' birth at all, which would be very strange, if all the supposed miracles around Jesus' birth were true. Secondly Matthew and Luke tell two completely different stories. Thirdly they even contradict each other three times. Jesus was born in Nazareth, there was no star.

    • @pepepena1937
      @pepepena1937 14 дней назад

      Bright star why don’t you read Simon Greenleaf founder of Harvard Law and *THE AUTHORITY* in regards to evidence writings so you could get a clue what testimony accounts look like

  • @joseliano325
    @joseliano325 15 дней назад

    I agree that the planetary conjunction in Aries is the most rational explanation for the mostly legendary “Star of Bethlehem”. However, it should be noted that a similar conjunction occurred 20 years before and also 20 years later. If magi were looking for something like that to happen, they would have found nothing special in 2 out of 3 conjunctions within 40 years. Also, the same author of “Mathew” describes the star as positioning itself on top a specific house -which is completely dependent on one’s position in relation to the house. Actual stars don’t do that. Also, there are well known pagan traditions associating the birth of kings (and other prominent figures) with stars and other signs of the gods in the sky. One thing is to make an association between a particular event (like a person’s birth) and an otherwise random celestial coincidence, and another is to assume that an actual god made it happen.

  • @nelsonbastias9993
    @nelsonbastias9993 15 дней назад

    Buen video, bien explicado! Además señalar que el 17 de abril del año 6 A.C, corresponde al 20 de Nisán, es decir Pesaj, en Aries, es decir, el cordero exaltado. ¿aún no quieres leer la biblia en código astral? saludos.

  • @buddhstyle
    @buddhstyle 16 дней назад

    Amazingly educational