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59:05 that reminds me of before the dlc dropped people were speculating that since miyazaki is obviously a berserk fan and miquella bares a striking resemblance to griffith, that he’d also secretly be evil like in berserk. I thought to myself “cmon yeah he likes berserk but he probably just took some inspiration from griffith but he’ll still actually be a good person”. Yeah, no. What u said abt creativity being gone and references taking over highlighted that moment for me

I cant compare lotf to elden ring honestly. ER is a way bigger game compared to lotf. But after all the fixes they done to lotf easily 8/10 game pretty solid. You could play any weapon class hell even daggers were really strong. But lotf had a good ranged combat that was really nice. Also i really liked the parry system of lotf. Did all the endings.

This is the best critique that perfectly encapsulates how I felt about the DLC. It was such a let down and I don't ever plan on revisiting it. I would rather play Lords of the Fallen lmao.

This didn't age well

39:00 holy fucking shit thank you for this. I felt like I’m the only one who realized how shit all the new loot was beside from the three new sword weapons.

Thank u for this video. While I do think ur being a bit harsh on it I don’t disagree. This was just more Elden ring and that’s obv good but it was just worse in every way. Lore, map design, new incantations/sorceries and weapons, legacy dungeons, caves and the scaling. Everything is just done better in the main game and the radhan and miquella stuff will always leave a bad taste in my mouth. I thought it would grow on me like it did for many but no. I don’t understand why people think it should win game of the year.

It surely is better than Elden Ring.

I did not find a weapon to equip in the DLC No weapons were upgrades for my current No new BiS No new +25 Some cool new ashes and incantations, thats all I had hoped all the new items would mean whole new builds I kept hoping to find a new talisman, a new cracked tear, new armor with cool passive effects to further my build. Nothing, zero, squat. I just "explored" around to find scardutree fragments.... The whole thing looked so promising with the beautiful zones, at first glance. But ones you started exploring you noticed that the whole thing was empty Suddenly I was at Radahn, on my second day of playing, and I didn't even see half the map yet. This in Ng+14 And I have given up on defeating Radahn, it's impossible😅 and not in the way that would usually make me want to beat it. No.. impossible in the way where I just feel like quitting, a feeling I never experienced in the base game.

Aside from finance golems, I didn’t think any of it was bs or too hard. Using my mimic, and a shield, I beat every boss on like my 3rd try at the worst, most on first try. Maybe they just want you to use summons if you don’t want it to be hard mode.

I don’t understand how anyone rates great sage highly. Massive damage sponge and the boss doesn’t allow you to use all of your mechanics. Nullifies most of your kit, never staggers. Makes it a slog to get through.

I never bought Lords of the Fallen. My knowledge only comes from lore vids I watched and a Let's Play I started watching for like 3, 4 hours. And I gotta say... it is a big shame that it is such a bad game, cause it would have had such potential. The lore really seems interesting to me. And if Umbral would have been implemented in a better way, it could have been a great feature too. But the way it is? Nah... I am glad I never bought it... Also, on a quick side-note, I also like how Lies of P drops your Ergo outside a boss door when you die in a boss fight. Really thoughtful. Although, my way to mitigate it in games that drop souls/runes/whatever inside the boss arena, is to farm the missing souls until I got the next levelup, then do said level up, and THEN go to the boss fight. That way, with barely any souls, I couldn't care less about loosing them, should the boss runback be a bit of a pain in the butt. And I don't mind dying to a boss over and over that much either, knowing no levels are at stake should the boss manage to kill me before I can grab the souls.

Please just quit you’re not going to make it

consort radahn was a big disappointment, but the rest of the dlc was some of the best of Elden Ring for me

"souls veterans" when they have to pay attention to the enemy and read their moves rather than being carried by cheese strats, buffs and a broken build: "I died because of the camera, you can't see anything the enemy is doing" - shows footage of the enemy being possible to read in every single frame despite being the fastest boss in the game and spam rolling around his heels. Discusses all the ways in which the game punishes relying on habits and requires more competent and precise play - this is bad and they should instead have made them typical bosses but with a bit more hp, as this is the only option which is not "lazy design". Seeing people do mental gymnastics to whine about the difficulty of shadow of the erdtree reminds me a lot about how game journalists complained about elden ring when it first released. It is a very difficult game, and that seems to make some people who thought they were big stuff after the base game feel bad, so they make up reasons why the game is poorly designed in order to excuse themselves. I went through the dlc with no buffs, no summons (except for the Leda story fight), no special abilities or effects of any kind, and beat it at scadutree blessing 14 or 15. My opinion is that there is no fight which is unfair in this dlc, and they were all very enjoyable. This dlc perfected the souls-like boss design, and the challenge level was perfect for a dlc. If it was any less challenging I would have complained.

Bro was treating Margit like Gwyn in that intro clip 🔥🔥🔥

the things i am dissapointed in are: -the story came to no statisfying conclusion -that there will be no further dlc -the smithscript daggers

Dying to Consort Radahn had this man so upset he ranted for an hour. Some of us keep it more simple and break our controller

1:03:35 that's crazy criticism coming from a elden ring fanboy which is 90% reskins. I haven't even played or ever wanted to play lords of the fallen so don't come saying im defending it but the hypocrisy is at the very least a little funny even for an elden Ring fanboy.

I 100 percent agree with all your problems with this DLC some more some less but i do agree with them.

Having completed the DLC and Platinumed the base game i can say with conviction that the DLC is a chore. It's fun at times to be sure but it's also tedious with alot of large but fairly empty zones. Some of the new weapons are S-tier but alot of them are very meh and inferior to the base game. The colossal fire giants are horrible in design and extremely annoying to take down. That covers most of my problems with the DLC it's simply not as fun as the base game and that sucks.

I don't see the issue with attacks that are made to not be dodged, you're framing it like it's an oversight when that's not given any evidence. PCR has some "bullshit" attacks that are supposed to be difficult to manage on your own, but that's why you have healing flasks, talismans/buffs/perfumes that mitigate damage and the ability to summon to divert aggro onto something else. The entire buildup to that fight is Ansbach and Thiollier freaking out because they know they're going to die because we're about to fight a literal god. The stakes are made very clear. Being surprised that it isn't coded into the game for you to be able to no-hit this legit when you're fighting a literal god and lord candidate duo is ridiculous. The same logic applies to Malenia and her Waterfowl Dance. She's literally "the undefeated", she's a secret uber-boss that's meant to wreck you. You aren't meant to leave her in the dust, unscathed. She has an attack that's going to mess you up. Nothing suggests that's an oversight, you just have this weird delusion that it's not intended.

It's still a good game but against other from titles it always felt off...and now we have lies of p

No I just really liked it

I was really hoping this would be parody. I even checked the upload date. smh.

The DLC took the worst parts of Elden Ring and made an entire game about them. In the base game, which I consider a masterpiece, there are still large pieces of content that are either bad or 'okay.' An example of a few of these would be The Mountaintops of the Giants, which is an enormous disappointment of a zone when previously you just did Mt Gelmir, Altus and Leyndell. Suddenly you're in this extremely empty area with not much to do in it, to the point that most people just sprint through it out of boredom. Another example would be attack spam fights that don't feel fun to learn, so most people just end up finding a way to make them easy rather than learning them. The DLC takes these two examples, along with others, and duplicates them over and over again. The DLC has so many areas that are empty and disappointing. The Cerulean Coast, the Finger Ruins, the Abyssal Woods and that big bowl area are all places where you go and theres either nothing there, or what is there is disappointing. The attack spam bosses doesn't even need an explanation. Another distinct missing part of the DLC that makes it worse than the base game is the lack of Melina or any updates to the Roundtable Hold. Melina and the Roundtable Hold are very important 'adrenaline dump' features of the game. You're playing the game, you're dying or winning, either way you're adventuring and amped up, then you sit down and Melina appears and you get a relaxing moment to chat to your guide, or you go back to the Roundtable Hold and something new has happened to the Two Fingers or one of the NPCs there. This is absent in the DLC. The wandering band of NPCs attempts to emulate it, but they're so scattered and so opaque is to where they will be and for what reason, that you end up just not speaking to them more than once, because who is going to port back to the first Legacy Dungeon entrance again to speak to a few NPCs? No one. If these NPCs moved to the Roundtable Hold, you'd speak to them regularly. If they appeared at your Grace like Melina, you'd speak to them regularly. It feels like 60% complete. Most areas empty, most bosses need polish, most dialogue missing. Its the type of game i'd play, realise its still in early access, then return to in a year. But in SOTE's case, it was sold to me as complete, so, by that logic - its a 7/10. Its worse than Elden Ring in every way.

The DLC is just simply not close to being FromsSoftwares best work at all. I can just tell things are getting stale and worn out with this style. If you haven’t played any of the other souls games you probably don’t get the fatigue at all but it’s very prevalent to those who have been playing this same skeleton for years. This DLC just feels like a massive chore with sure some high points but everything just is missing something and the massive empty areas don’t help. I’m just worried that due to the success of this game the higher ups will now force the pump out of Elden Ring sequels for years now that this is a full fledged franchise in the making and a money machine. Also the DLC suffers from a major problem of completely disconnecting the player from the main story and what happens in it. I mean seriously nothing you do in the DLC matters. Back in the lands between nothing changes no new dialogue, no new bits of showing what you did mattered and the worst sin of all no new added ending it’s even funnier knowing there was one and it was cut. Also this is more of nitpick but there being no certain point in the main story in which the shadow of the erdtree makes sense to start just bugs me. Also don’t even give me the excuse Miyazaki gave that this is a completely isolated and separate story which is not true at all. This DLC is simply one of the most overhyped and overrated piece of content I’ve ever played with 0 drive to do a NG+ playthrough. Your B team theory is very interesting and does kinda make some things make sense. The only good thing I really enjoyed was the soundtrack and that was mainly it. It’s just sad how blind people are to this just because it’s FromSoftware I love their games but we must acknowledge they are heading to a worrying point.

Kinda unrelated, but how do you know for a fact that the developers didn’t have an idea in mind for how to evade Melanias WFD? There’s no possible way for you to know that. All you gotta do is maintain a distance so that you have time to react. When she jumps in the air, run backwards, wait for the first flurry, then roll forwards once and then roll backwards twice. You don’t have to trick her trajectory. There’s no way for you to know that they were just “lazy” and wanted people to make up their own ideas. I’m 100% sure that they tested it many times and found that it could be evaded consistently. I still don’t think there’s anything wrong with Malenia, I’m sorry

I know this moron didn't just blame the community for Destiny's downfall.

Another guy that thinks he is matthewmatosis.

lol no Lies of P was extremely mid, especially: level design, enemy design, most NPCs and NPC quests, dialogues / voice acting, story, and lore. I also cannot condone the art direction / graphics which is just out of the box what Unreal engine has to offer. The last level of the game was probably a highlight, the final boss was beyond cliché and stupid, the epilogue with Daddy G and Nameless Puppett was cool, and the MCU-like post-credit scene teasing a Wizard of Oz follow up was so out of place and cringe that it made me laugh and immediately close the game for good, never to be revisited. So it all ended like the rest of the game: as a rollercoaster of great to abysmal that unfortunately just left a sour taste after each playing sessions.

Daring today aren't we (you tripping the dlc is gas but i am curious and will hear you out)

What an awesome boss. So fun to learn. Shame I have to play on low graphics ;-;

Fromsoft makes the same game over and over, can't really tell the difference between Dark Souls 1 and Elden Ring🤷🏾‍♂️

Weirdly i agree with some of this, like the bosses being forgettable other than messmer and bayle, midra is not bad but overhyped so i never really enjoyed it. What i do disagree on is elden Ring even needing a dlc and the forgettable remembrance bosses being turned into repeat bosses other than maybe the scadu one. And the last i disagree on is that elden Ring's base game is fun after the first 30h or so cause that's when u start noticing that the rest of the game is basically 90% reskins and repeats.

50:31 ah yes why censor shit when we can just censor bull

You cant deny that LotF mastered switching between melee weapons, ranged weapons, spells and throwable weapons, its so much smoother and less of a headache compared to Dark Souls and Elden Ring, not to mention how responsive the animations are compared to how unresponsive Fromsoftwares animations are, when you press a button in a Fromsoftware game that action enters a queue, while in Lord's of the fallen like most action games it just immediately performs said action cancelling out all previous actions which was the standard for 99% of action games, having "commitment" is meaningless if it makes your game feel awkward and unresponsive

Umm no, fromsoftwares games are clunky, janky, slow and unresponsive, while games like Lords of the Fallen and Team Ninjas action RPGs have way more depth, are faster paced, more fluid, are far more responsive and have much smoother animations

I have beaten ds2, ds3 and elden ring, but I never really felt the urge to play ds1, (of course I'm going to play sekiro next, and bloodborne whenever it comes to pc (maybe never)) so it felt good to listen to an unpopular opinion that could shine light on my inhibitions. The conclusion was really well put together, I also think fromsoft's evolution is incredible, and people need to see that ds1 is a VERY humble beginning.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Its crazy to me how this game is as bad as darksouls 2, it feels like the developers dont even play their own game...

The biggest mystery to me is how these games got a fanbase in the first place. From day one they were minimum viable products and you were better to spend time playing anything else - literally nothing at all attracted me to them. Supporting products like this has done irreparable damage to the games industry

Tears of the kingdom should have been a dlc while shadow should be a sequel...

This is now a doomer jaded channel now

It's so sad how shitty the dlc was

Lies of P is mechanically tighter and feels more responsive and more accurate than any FS game I've played. I'm glad someone had the balls to make a YT video saying that FS games are not unsurpassable.

I loved the DLC.

4:42 I never thought of dodging into her dumbass coil spin attack. That one tip singlehandedly won me the fight

11:45 this is bs, u can dodge that move easily if you roll towards him

My only issue with anything you said in this video is actually more pedantic than anything else. Objectivity and subjectivity boil down to their root words: object and subject. There is no such thing as an "objectively good/better/best" anything, only subjective. While you can be objective in your analysis, how you ultimately *feel* about anything is always a subjective question, by definition. For example, you mentioned that Elden Ring has a larger variety of builds, which is itself an objective fact. But how you ultimately feel about that fact has nothing to do with objectivity, also by definition, because that all depends on subjective values you bring into the experience. Maybe you could have been someone, like me, who actually loathes how many build types there are, since in my *opinion* it detracted from a more meaningfully balanced experience, despite all the polish that comes with ten to twenty years iterating upon a formula. Words have to mean things, that's all I'm getting at. With all of this said, I enjoyed your video (subjectively :p). Edit: typos and formatting

I fully believe that making the dlc just another zone to explore and conquer was a huge mistake. I understand that it has been the tradition of FromSoftware to release additional content in this format, but honestly it was a bad call. We should have gotten an expansion of the base game content such as new NPCs, questlines, endings and even legacy dungeons. Theres plenty of space in the OPEN WORLD for FS to easily slip in a few new legacy dungeons. In fact, they literally already have a lore explanation for why the dlc zone is separate from the main game so idk why they felt compelled to increase their workload by having to create a whole ass zone. They could've used that exact same reason to just say that some dungeons were obscured by powerful magics. Way more labor intensive for content we really didnt need, the map is big enough as is anyhow. Also, given what we have in reality and not my hypothetical version of what the dlc could be, theres no reason why the dlc should have remained isolated from the rest of the game upon defeating the dlc final boss. There should have been a means of reuniting the two world maps together, which would have at least been a dramatic conclusion to cap off the final fight. So many missed opportunities with what they tried, and what they tried was misguided to begin with. I'm glad the dlc is sitting at mixed in Steam because at the very least it shows that the FS fanbase isn't blinded by nostalgia like Bethesda's fans were. I don't want the souls franchise to devolve into the FS equivalent of Starfield so I applaud your willingness to be critical of the what we got despite the fanbois. Edit: typos and formatting Edit 2: im so glad you made the off hand comment near the end of the video basically outlining what i wish would have happened. The bit about Shadow Keep being found in Mt Gelmir is exactly the sort of thing inwas asking for in a dlc. Fill the damn world you already built, FS!

You sound like swagkage