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The BRELwas actually quicker to 10mph but then immediately lost it after that. The /9s power through high speed so much better. No wonder drivers say the units feel as if they are fighting each other at speed!

Been a while since I had 2 /9s paired but when it happens they fly if all motors are firing properly

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf the units fight each other at lower speed because the met cams cant shoot off as fast from the mark. This is likely due to better motor torque from the BRELs but lack the horse power after so the met cams drag it along or push

Why? What's wrong?

@ best unit in my opinion is slowly getting awful

@@jr-jadenrailways8032 Nah the best units are 465901 and 465908

@@jr-jadenrailways8032 This unit is still very smooth though

More 465/9s are creaky than 466s tbh

@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf idk to me they're both equally as creaky, I heard 466039 creak last night

@@awesometrainsandbuses Idk about that one I haven't been on it in ages. I remember it being rough though

It is one of the smoothest 465/9s

Agreed, it's horrendously inconsistent sometimes

465919 did come back smoother though - it has very good ride quality. See my other video on it.

Idk about how much power each train has but I was surprised the 92 stock was as quick as the 95 stock off the line. DC motors are worse than AC motors and GTOs are much worse than IGBTs too. Impressive all things considered.

@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf its sort of bait with the acceleration pattern. If it falls off rapidly then theres a chance it has lower overall power output, but has multiple motors allowing it to use more power rapidly as a whole unit from the start, hence rapid low speed acceleration. And yeah DC style also contributes to poor overall acceleration im sure too. The 95 stock has more motors than a 96 but also likely less than a 92 stock. Motors cant always use max power immediately from 0mph without potentially messing it up long term, so having more motors means the system can uptake more power but distributed in smaller bits accross the various motors preventing them being overworked/overloaded i guess, whilst delivering more low speed torque. At least thats how i hypothesise

@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524 Yeah the 95 stock is defo much better at high speeds though

Yeah the audio quality of my phone is quite good

That's a fine opinion to be fair

The /9s are better than the BRELS for sure

Worse than 465s for sure

Fair enough - I just personally dislike them

@ yeah i get why they do smell weird and stuff but i think i like them as they dont run where i live and i love the old livery

Ugh, yes. It's not just this unit though; 465904 was truly terrible. Nearly swore out loud on that one because it lurched unexpectedly hard. Surely that's not the coupler, that's the suspension/wheels being dodgy

@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf nah the creaking is the coupler. I think the airbags are responsible for lurching

@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524 Either dodgy airbags or undermaintained wheels

@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf nah wheels can't be doing that or the darn train would be usable . What I think is because it's costs more to maintain them now. They only do bare minimum maintenance on the suspension. That's my theory. This is why I was saying subsequent overhauls would have made alot more sense overtime. Like changing parts etc over the years , if you modernised some of the parts then they'd be easier to sustain . But southeastern apparently don't want that 😂💁🏾‍♂️

@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524 465904 must have had the dodgiest airbags then. That unit nearly banged my head on the wall

Yep, but 465904 is almost equally bad! The worst riding /9 for sure

@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf I wanna know if 465927 has deteriorated at all. Last time I had it, it was one of the best 465s

@@JackHymers-cq6kt Idk, I've seen it around but haven't been on it in ages.

@@JackHymers-cq6kt The only units I know are good are 465901, 465908, and 465910. 465906 and 465927 are unknown. 465909 and 465904 are soo bad

What do you mean? It got worse?

@ last time i was on this unit, 909, it was creaking, but not that much. But watching this video, it sounds worse

@@uktransportspotter9657 Oh OK. It has also started to shake as well. Definitely the worst /9, although 465904 is 2nd worst with an awful ride (very shaky, even shakier than 465909).

This is a unit that hasnt visited doncaster anytime recently i think!

@@jr-jadenrailways8032 It has never visited Doncaster full stop

@@jr-jadenrailways8032 465904 rides worse than this unit though, just look at my video on it

@@jr-jadenrailways8032 My replies won't post 💀💀

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf i can tell

Nah, 465903 has much worse ride quality than most other /9s. If you find 465901, 465908, 465913, 465924, or 465928, go on them and you will find they do not move like this.

Nah, 365 motor sounds are loud alright... listen to the train while the text is rolling and you can hear the motors getting louder

Also - the bass is not the only issue with the 365, as to me it also sounds overly drawn out and unnaturally sluggish compared to a 465/9, despite accelerating faster. It's a bit weird lol

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf agreed, the motors are loud on 365s but that's only the GTO modulation and then they go quiet. The rest of the sounds are quiet. Motor fan isn't as loud as the 465s the gearbox isn't as loud either.

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf 365s sound sluggish because they have a 100mph gearing. The 465s are lower geared so the GTO will be faster. However it doesent help that they are also 0.65m/s² that too diminishes the 365s beginning sound to being much slower naturally tbf.

@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524 Erm, no. The 365 accelerates faster than any 465. It's 19 seconds to 30 VS 20 for a 465, 36 seconds to 50 VS 40 for a 465, 51 seconds to 60 VS 58 for a 465, and ~73 seconds to 75 VS ~97-100 for a 465. The 365 is most definitely a lot faster to accelerate. The sluggish sound must solely be due to the higher gearing. Either way I find it annoying to listen to.

Agreed on the 350/444/450 (I forgot to say the 444/450 sound exactly the same as a 350). Aventras sound too boring to be good or bad to me. They are just average. 09 stock sound like 378s' so are not bad. 333 and 332 are just average sounding to me. Not bad but not good either. 700s on DC sound the same as a 350 so I don't like them either. I agree with you on that one. The AC sound is just average too. Come to think of it, I should have put that in the video.

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf the thing is most of what your hearing on 09 stock and 350s/700s is the igbt whine (or the carrier frequency) the 09 stock is inaudiable at 50mph it's so quiet it's annoying. Like I want to hear the gearbox screams....but there aren't any😂😂 the 378s gear ratio allows them to be heard screaming for a while longer. Aventras are boring for the same reason as a 450/350 . Super quiet gearboxes and a motor that doesent make loud enough synchronous mode sounds (that "omm!!" noise we hear on electrostars ) Class 700s are just again...super quiet. And the gearboxes are the only thing you can hear but even then it's super quiet. Siemens UK is boring as a mofo. Siemens Europe...a different ball game man!! Sound way better in Germany.

@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524 The 350s sound annoying anyway

Thanks! I may do that video, but we'll see :)

Fair enough. Was close to putting the 465/9 as an honorable mention but the 395s just edge it out. Am working on a video of the worst sounds now. Let's see how much you agree with my takes in that video!

Ah, haven't been on 909 in a while - thanks for letting me know. I didn't know 902 was out and about - thanks for letting me know that too.

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf yea i rode 909 which was coupled to 465161 and 902 was on its own

I also saw 465924 on its own but didnt get s chance to ride it

@@uktransportspotter9657 I've been on 465924 recently. It is smooth but squeaky too

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf fair enough, when i saw these trains, they were on the greenwich line, doing Cannon street-Cannon street Via Eltham if you wanna catch them

I do quite like their sound.

Maybe the 323s?

@@ultimclaren I dislike the sound of the 323s' tbh

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf someone who agrees lol, some quick sounding motor change sounds so odd

@@jr-jadenrailways8032 This^^^

Class 331s

It was working 2A42, the 13:56 Ashford to Victoria, involving 465001 and 466037

@@awesometrainsandbuses Oh that's not good.

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf This has happened too many times with 466s. In recent years, 466s have caught fire at: Kidbrooke (2017), West Wickham (2018), West Malling (2023), and Bearsted (2024)

@@awesometrainsandbuses No wonder there's a rumor they'll swap some 466s for /9s come 2025

@@awesometrainsandbuses honestly, these incidents were first common with the hitachis when they came in service but they have fully died down for quite a while now, the metcams /9s didnt have this problem and only 1 /2 caught on fire due to the third rail shoe catching something but recently 466s are on something, an ageing design flaw maybe? but they honestly needa be taken out of service and checked somehow. apparent it was overheating but they dont even have regen so how did they achieve that honestly

Yep, both units are faulty. I remember 910 being a bit jerky a month ago, I guess the motor is totally shot now, huh?

They will be going around 2027-2029 so fairly soon yeah

Are you sure? I just think the unit as a whole has deteriorated tbh

I don't keep track of coach numbers or unit ends, but this unit def didn't used to be creaky.

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf yeah was on it about 5 days ago sandwiched between a 466 and a 465/1 the end coupled to the 466 which was towards orpington was creaky but towards canon street which was a /1 it wasn't im gonna try find my video footage when I get access to my phone and finish my studies

@@jr-jadenrailways8032 Yeah, but it didn't have any creaky ends before so it def got worse

@@SolomonClarkeTrains-nw1sf well this creaky situation only happens when a unit is coupled and in my videos it wasn’t on one end but the other was coupled (towards canon st)