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​​@@phienex I get a headache everytime I think about predaplant engine. I was going to give you a simple combo line but none of the good ones are simple

oh yea crystal clear win is soft once per turn? seems like it would be good if certain conditions are met

yeah, Clear wing is a soft once per turn on both effects, same with Crystal Wing and Clear wing Rider, and our big level 10. Alot of Soft once per turns that could use this card. Aswell as the fact its a wind monster so it meets the requirements FOR Clear wing rider (Wind monster), and the special summon requirements of Taketomgborg, Fuki-Modoshi and Car turbo (Controling a Wind monster) And for the Normal Summon effect of the link monster, As for its actual effect, its just a neat side bonus incase something happens

but even then would you summon this?...

making this efficiently doesn't seem that possible Q_Q the fact that ashened can't make this is hilarious though

i heard about this synergy from another commenter but... when do you get value from ulka?...

i think it's kind of searchable?... just extremely niche... but yea effect is good but now way to get into it

Maybe in towers decks like raidraptor or ignister

@ it's actually useless because they are unaffected by card effects... and the float only triggers if they're removed by card effect. So it doesn't even work if you get kaijued.

Im from the year 2026, this card is being dumbed by a​ generic splashable one card engine thats now taking over the meta.@phienex

so the issue with this kind of line is... why not just otk with pyro phoenix instead?... because you unironically can with that combo... which is awkward >_< If you want to use it for meme reasons that's about the only reason i think

@@phienex lmao yeah, i was just stating that it was probably the best way to summon it is all

consistency reasons and it's too slow sometimes. Ex. on the top of my deck is super poly + dark ruler no more and i have pot of greed in my hand... but my opponent flips anti spell fragrance. Don't get fixated on the example it's just the idea... also it's only a trade in if i get hit by ash blossom on this it's -2 cards kinda

@ Thats fair enough, I think I “brick less” on it because I kinda use lots of copies of the backrow stuff. So banishing one in some degree usually always ends up as a free summon. But I definitely see how it can be an issue once or twice iv top decked it and been like… cool. Lol

i mean tbh this list is kind of dated. Reason i don't play pathfinder though is because it's genuinely just a garbage normal summon unless my opponent has no handtraps(consistency better but card is bad). Deck list here though is built to play going first mostly(it can go second sometimes as well i guess but i lost a lot of power cards). that kash list wasn't even supposed to be the focus of the video 🤷‍♂

@@phienex so u traded consistency for floodgates…ur going first so pathfinder is actually good its a one card starter and its ash bait and if it gets negated with imperm u can still tribute it to summon kash.

@@Elitez42 floodgates are incredibly consistent and have no counter play(well less). The issue is i would need the kash cards to begin with and i don't care about being ashed if i open a kash anyways. Handtraps are not really a big deal in this build. The main issue is that pathfinder itself is not a good card stand alone before even considering the minimal synergy. If you had all the kash cards at 3 for example you would never play pathfinder. Pathfinder is an option but it's by no means mandatory or optimal. If you don't understand the build it's fine but i'm usually 80% win rate with it.

Maybe that could work in Zoodiac in some manner? Summoner monk summons Ulka, hard-summon a Zoodiac and you then got 2 materials you can do anything with + Ulka as sort of a float effect. Budget Eclipse Twins, sort of.

wait you can search this in chimera?... hmmm interesting idk if it's that useful though

@phienex it's a free extender kinda in the situation that your opponent removes your fusion, but if you get to do your turn 1 combo and search this then you didn't need it

@ it does work in hand so you can technically search it turn 2

i think i mentioned flip effects because they specifically don't move cards but still do something... i suppose in one sense they stop you kind of from moving your cards?... But lowkey burn is just moving your opponents lp down :)

activate book of moon target chundra :)

Since kash still plays better under lockdown then most decks right now it's fine tbh. Big bang is here for the 1 card combo and you unironically barely have any kash cards to play. Imagine in the mirror your fenrir is banished face down by riseheart... solemn is worse then lockdown for what i want tbh(idk when but solemn on normal summon isn't enough to stop turns most of the time anymore). Lockdown buys you a crap ton of time(of which i could activate ogre/unicorn eff to banish and mess up my opps deck) and the first person that can search/special from deck will be me the person who activated lockdown. tbh not many cards i care to solemn. Maybe like a duster to protect my fissure/macro?... if my arise heart get's removed it's no big deal my deck is built with that in mind.

i didn't have scenarios or replays prepared... it is what it is

@phienex gotta be more prepared then...

mirror force is obviously an extreme... a daruma karma cannon would be a little more reasonable to play but it comes down to personal preference. Do we want to be funny/based or play something more reasonable? Also mirror force pass is literally op against snake eyes specifically it's kind of funny or any backrow in general. Assume you set 2 cards pass and one of them is mirror force. Your opponent if they don't play knightmare phoenix which some do some don't. if S:P banish any backrow(hitting mirror force is a 50% chance here) they can't game you so immediately no one would want to S:P banish. Now you're left with zealantis but usually you co link by using zealantis effect to trigger promethean which isn't doable cause no monsters on the field. Snake eye fire king though different story. This is just a very niche thing in a specific match up(this was actually something you would have been able to pull off in actual snake eyes meta too late now though ig). Ignorant of the coin flip?... maxx c isn't necessarily useful going first or second. Going first it's not really engine so it might as well be a brick till turn 2 where it might do something(imperm is super popular as well as called by, and all of your remaining engine cards which are dead now imperm at least is not dead going 2nd mostly). Going second you have a 1/3 chance of opening maxx c. Then followed by a 50% chance your opponent opens ash blossom or called by. Assuming the maxx c is always game winning when it resolves(which it's not you can't force your opp to give you draws off of maxx c or the deck might have an option for maxx c for yubel it'd be like spirit pass i guess) 1/6 chance to win the game. Except you didn't necessarily want to go second to begin with(assuming playing going first deck) if we then assume you win 50% of coin flips 1/12 games maxx c might win you the game on the spot. Maxx c is by no means mandatory. In terms of mandatory handtraps/non engine there's pretty much just ash + called by simply because maxx c play rate is so high. The kash stuff actually goes deeper but it's pretty lengthy explanation. in short though arise heart is an option, and not necessarily true of all players but if you had imperm to begin with you would have used it on unicorn. So Scenario probably looks like this Special unicorn, unicorn effect chain imperm to unicorn, use theosis already in hand, chain maxx c. Also even if you don't imperm here if you didn't open maxx c it's probably around 15%-20% chance you draw into an imperm if you already used it about 10% lower odds(these numbers are estimations can double check em later). Alternative is just pass on fenrir + unicorn + rise heart instead. Also do keep in mind unicorn is a one card combo meaning if you do make ariseheart opp have to still contest with 4 more cards(can literally just flip macro and skip any form of summoning then do some kind of play on following turn you have options unironically). It honestly is upsetting though to see people just copy and paste builds though, and not doing much innovation. There are of course extreme things you can do, and more moderate small things like cutting ash for droll. If you take what i said and apply it to competitive play it changes a little. Like yea some cards are unviable in some situations(mirror force is legit a meme card). But also equally true is that some cards might be playable, and in fact good but just not played(legit idk why no one plays dark grepher in orcust seems weird to me personally).

@phienex I addressed your examples but my main problem with the video is that it seems to misunderstand the reason you play handtraps. Maxx C isn't supposed to be engine, neither is Called By or Ash. In your example above, you said Maxx C may as well be a brick going 1st - such is the case for any handtrap in most decks, because they don't bolster your engine. The reason you play handtraps is to hinder the engines of other people, hence why Maxx C is so popular or why people played Dimensional Shifter in Ishizu Tear format even when playing decks like Spright which do not want to play Shifter. Maxx C is a silver bullet against almost any deck, it only does truly nothing against True Draco, Stun, and Floo, none of which are very popular right now and have completely different counters. Against any other deck, even Trap decks, it refunds itself at minimum while restricting their plays, because you do not want to allow your opponent to draw any more than 1 card. Going +1 for free is basically Pot of Greed (which I mentioned in the Kash example, could be anything), and you even get to stop the opponent from playing. So arguing that a card you can discard to basically turn skip an opponent while losing 0 card advantage is optional is honestly crazy. Handtraps are used based not on what your deck does, but what an opponent's deck does. That's why no one plays Veidos, there aren't many decks running around with field spells right now. If it was released in Kashtira format, things would've been different, there were a ton of popular and relevant decks that played field spells. But even in that case, those decks have other answers which also work against decks without field spells. Same logic with both Maxx C and Ash. They hit almost any deck (Ash specifically hits literally every deck except stun), even if only a little, and Maxx C in particular hinders those decks to such a significant degree that you can take your 1st turn even if you went 2nd. And in modern Yugioh, your opponent getting a free turn with access to the battle phase means you are going to lose because you couldn't put up meaningful disruption. That's why Maxx C has such a crazy high playrate. That's why you're so likely to win if you get Maxx C'd. You're in a lose-lose scenario - either you end on basically nothing and your opponent gets to play for free and kill you, or you end on your full board and give your opponent a 10-15 card hand to deal with it, or you can make a half board of a couple interactions and give them like 3 draws to deal with it (once again, Pot of Greed). And that's also why cards like Imperm and Veiler and Ghost Mourner and Droll aren't as popular as Maxx C and Ash. Yeah, they're silver bullets to SOME decks, but not to *every* deck in the same way Maxx C is. If you Droll me when I'm playing Voiceless Voice, I will punch you through the screen, but if you Droll me when I'm on Labrynth, I'm going to laugh and cheer for being able to handloop 2 this turn instead of just 1. In both of these decks, if I get Maxx C'd, I roll my eyes and start thinking about how to give my opponent as few cards as possible. I want to reiterate, I think breaking deckbuilding rules is a good thing to be able to do, because there are situations and formats where common understanding doesn't get you as far as a more creative approach. But you need to know why the rule exists in the first place before you break it. That's what really annoyed me about the video. It proposed that non-engine is supposed to bolster your main engine, when that's a side benefit at most. You should always evaluate every single card in your deck and make sure you know what exactly you want that card to do. Sometimes, weirdo decisions can win games, like playing Marionette Mite in AGOV format with Unchained being the best deck. But if you take Marionette Mite into a Snake-Eye Fire King game, you're basically losing 3 live draws in your deck. This all applies primarily to a competitive mindset to playing the game, if you don't care about your winrate then by all means, be the based individual you were always meant to be, but seeing as this is a video about thinking outside the box and getting creative to try new things, especially since it brings up math and the likelihood for Maxx C to be negated and do nothing, I figured it was meant to help people improve their deckbuilding skill in this game. If I interpreted that wrong, then I apologize for misunderstanding. I keep harping on the Maxx C argument because it's the most egregious, but it does apply to the rest of the discussion about handtraps. It's always good to know about other options, and if your deck can search or utilize a handtrap in unique ways it lends greater versatility to it, but they aren't meant to synergize with your deck, they're meant to anti-synergize with other decks. If you are playing Labrynth, you still play Maxx C, you just don't care as much about getting hit with Maxx C as Yubel or Snake-Eye. Sorry for the mega long reply and if I come off hostile, I just do not agree with some of your arguments and their reasoning.

@ tbh this is so long this is the first comment i probably won't answer all the points. -_- formatting is kind of bad as well. The issue i'm really trying to prove here in this video specifically is that not all cookie cutter generic deck building advice will fit every deck. Context is important. Ex if i'm playing Danger Darkworld your maxx c is actually one of my win cons(deck unironically can special summon like 100+ times turn 1). Also you don't want to run handtraps and probably also want to for the most part give up on going second altogether and just go 100% all in on engine. Maxx c is not a card you need to run. And i stand by that. Different conversation if it's optimal to do so or not. But in for Ex. if i was playing dark magician i could run secret village instead(if it were still legal). hell if you gave me time i could even make an argument for why running dark magician in a dark magician deck is bad(and setting up an alternative... wait this is a banger idea i'll probably use this later). You're limiting yourself if you're thinking you can only swap maxx c out for other hand traps. For going 2nd in snake eye format(i'm talking like just snake eye meta not snake eye fire king in MD) there was also the idea of throwing in Cosmic Cyclone + triple tactics talents/thrust to be board breakers(talents take apo after baiting that you have evenly was pretty damn good). maxx c is not a free win. If you do the math on it imo it's not that broken(rate to resolve, Rate to open, etc). iirc i did the math on it in a previous video. Do you for example account for the fact that maxx c resolves only 1/3 of the time(assuming your opponent runs only ash 3 + called by 3 then you only open maxx c 1/3 of the time as well)? In which case maxx c only trades a card and does not impact your opponents play. Main idea here is just that if you did have the correct handtrap in your hand it would brutalize your opponent much harder then maxx c and have even less counter play(which requires being able to read the meta). Veidos for example might not be good right now. But assume we have a few decks that have a really bad match up into veidos in future. What is the counter play to veidos? Maybe a 1 of gamma?... Cause ash + called by don't work. It might not be an auto win like maxx c but it will for sure have an impact unlike maxx c(technically bystials also work similarly but magna gives you so much advantage by itself it's dumb 2 crows + potential draws and send a special summoned monster to the gy + 2 bodies). It's important to explore possibilities for everything. Here's one idea for example assuming droll is good in the current format if i run a deck like unchained, or centurion they surprisingly enough don't need to search so i could droll on my own turn to stop maxx c draws. The idea to play a card or cut a card. Both ideas should be explored. If something is not right for you. You don't have to do it. Ex is Secret village(it's actually disgusting how many AFD we actually have in yugioh though) mandatory in majespecter?... no. Is it good?... mostly yea.

tbh if you have decent ratios for your cards most decks are fine.

The protection effects in the gy can be kinda sneaky though... sometimes the effect is the first thing on the card. Other times they're on the bottom... complete and utter pain.

punishment in burn... wait it's VIABLE(with an asterisk) lmao

maxx c is good because people make it good tbh. The person activating maxx c only benefits if you let em. For the most part there aren't cards that can force your opponent to special summon. People that say maxx c is good piss me off tbh. They never say why maxx c is good they just say maxx c good or maxx c broken(i'm sure it's op in the stun match up going 2nd). Rather would it be more accurate to say maxx c is good into your(typically person writing comment) deck? because you didn't build around it?... ash blossom probably also beats those decks single handedly as well(i mean like if your deck gets obliterated by one hand trap it is what it is SHS can't do anything about droll). Speaking of which maxx c can be beaten by deck building anyways. Ex kashtira can make ariseheart in 3 special summons(2 maxx c draws) Shifter on opp going 2nd prevents a variety of handtraps from being activated(oh wait was this why shifter was limited? actually kinda makes sense from that perspective) including maxx c. also i know you commenter are not at fault at all. :) but i mean yea i do think it's worth thinking outside of the box and weighing all your choices first. you can literally cut ash blossom in voiceless voice for example and even called by and it'd be somewhat reasonable. Or not play maxx c because it's not synergistic to your deck(there are a number of decks that do have synergy surprisingly enough?... could be it's own video i guess). Try new things expand your horizons. If you don't try anything new you're missing out :)

firstly maxx c is not an auto win if it resolves Ex against vanquish soul it's just an upstart(Ex labyrinth special summons but can play around maxx c to give only 1 draw). Maxx c is opened only 1/3rd of the time and your opponent has the out not 1/3rd of the time but 1/2 of the time. point 1 then why play maxx c at all if i can drop let's say effect veiler(could be literally any other hand trap) instead which can only be countered either by cross out our called by which actually has a 1/3 chance of being opened. not to say you can't play maxx c either but math was wrong

​@phienex I disagree with this for a very specific reason, that being usage statistics. Sure, against exactly Lab and Vanquish Soul it may just be an Upstart, but Lab is only about 3% usage and Vanquish Soul is played so infrequently it's not even a percentage of a percentage of the meta game. So if you only play against Lab 3% of the time, your Maxx c reads "You win or your opponent passes the turn" 97% of the time. If a card read "97% of the time you win or your opponent passes" and they had to deckbuild around that problem, I would be playing it. As I do. Expanding, people do simply surrender when it resolves a lot of the time. The free win boost is definitely worth the deck slots IMO.

@ it's not an auto win nor guaranteed to resolve. VS and lab are just examples and the list is actually fairly long. Ex. Centurion, or voiceless voice also only special summon more or less one time(kash, branded also have decent maxx c back up plans). also ignored all of my math showing that maxx c in fact resolves going 2nd about 1/3 of the time against just 3 of ash 2 called by to begin with... if your favorite deck loses to maxx c you still have ash blossom/called by to back up whatever strategy you have as well. people are honestly too upset about maxx c, and too fixated on playing it. in the first WC Duelist cup people were dropping maxx c in the main deck cause it was bad unironically(tearlament is a sin). If maxx c is unironically unoptimal at any given moment you can drop it from your main deck(runick stun meta was probably a good time to drop it).

@phienex No, I didn't ignore your math, it is simply irrelevant to the conversation. Whether or not Maxx C resolves is completely irrelevant to the strength of the card. Let's go over my first point, Maxx C being good against most decks. You bring up Kash, Voiceless Voice (No idea about this one, this deck usually passes on Maxx C for me.), Lab and Centurion as decks that it is not great against. Sure, let's do some math. Kash doesn't have enough usage statistics to even show up, so let's call it 1%. Then there is Centurion, at 1.54% Lab at 3.08, and Voicless at 3.74. That's 9.36% of the Metagame that have a good match up into Maxx C. So for the sake of argument, let's say Maxx C Is completely dead against those decks. So sure Maxx C is dead 9.36% of the time. But that also means Maxx C is live 90.84% of the time. Moving to the next point, you bring up people dropping it in the first Duelist cup, yes, this is true. But you are also completely ignoring the context around that and why those decisions were being made. Firstly, the game was almost a brand new Metagame to the people in the west who have not had "C" since Dragon Rulers. They did not know *entirely* the use behind it and we're following traditional TCG principles, dropping cards that did not explicitly give them gas to play. And if I look back at the top three deck lists it was; Endimiyon, Prank Kids and Virtual World. Guess what? All three of those decklists were playing "C" at 3. And we haven't had much of a drop off in play rate since. And finally, the real reason Maxx C is broken. Turn 2. You see, Maxx C isn't broken for the turn 2 players. Pretty good is what I would call it. Maxx C really becomes degenerate when the turn 1 player uses it after establishing their board. Now you are forced into a Lose Lose situation, because you already burned your ash into their turn 1. Now you *have* to have *specifically* called by or crossout. And use them immediately into your opponent Negates. Or proceed to be bulled over by your opponents full board. That is why Maxx C is broken. Because it can completely ruin a turn 2 players chance to come back, unless you want to give your opponent half their deck while clearing their board. Anecdotally I will add, some people have calculated your win rate increases by about 20% when "C" resolves. I don't feel like gathering data for a spreadsheet and double checking those numbers, so you can take that data point as you will. But assuming it's correct, and you are correct, 33% of the time you gain 20% win rate. That seems pretty good to me. But like I said, feel free to ignore this last paragraph if that data is not good enough for you. Additionally, you mentioned I was ignoring your math, but you completely ignored my point about people surrendering on the activation of "C." That is free wins right there!

@ about the math thing you said "You win or your opponent passes the turn" 97% of the time. your opponent scooping on maxx c doesn't mean anything tbh that does unironically need more data(can't really collect this in replays unfortunately against someone who insta scoops). For ex your opponent could literally have 5 near dead cards Ex. 3 ash blossom 2 called by when you resolve maxx c in draw phase then either proceed to scoop or pass turn. Honestly if the turn 1 player uses maxx c on you it doesn't do as much as you would think. The issue honestly is not that they activated maxx c it's that they activated any handtrap after going full combo. Ex you are on branded and your opponent has 5 omni negates on board(all of which are dragons) you then proceed to make with either set fallen of albaz, or super poly to make 5 headed dragon or alba lenatus respectively. Then you somehow get to branded fusion chain 1 branded fusion chain 2 ash blossom joyous spring from your opponents hand. keeping in mind though the best case scenario for any resolving handtrap is to resolve it with a full endboard it's rough. But okay let's say instead of maxx c now your opponent has a floodgate(of the S/T variety) that can be activated immediately with no counter play(i guess you have hard open backrow removal maybe doesn't super apply to secret village) and might have been an auto win against your deck to begin with assuming you open no backrow removal like Tcboo or skill drain. The issue to be honest at this point is just going first in general being disgusting. last point i mean... your opponent can surrender/disconnect on any action doesn't mean that much. Like i could activate Danger Nessie and my opponent might ash it, and then on the reactivation shame scoop. Or like activate ash blossom on branded fusion + belle on called by could be a scoop as well. i've had people scoop from normal summoning any D/D monster as well. Surely that's not a good argument for D/D being broken as well?... Also the reason why maxx c was dropped was because everyone was on tearlament and maxx c was a lose con... Ex i am on tear i milled like 30 cards my opponent might mill my cards as well so if i activate maxx c i lose via deck out super fast(lose to like 5-8 special summons angle). It was also not very good into tearlament because you had 3 decent options if you didn't want to play into maxx c. Kitkallos + sulliek pass, Bagooska pass, and Dweller pass. Maxx c was just situationally bad... 2 kinds of decks were being played for the most part. 1. Tearlament. 2. Shifter decks(floo/stun mostly no kash yet). Neither option had maxx c doing much for you. Also notable is tear players initially cut cross out + called by but called by started(you have so much insulation against handtraps and work arounds didn't need called by which is wild...) getting added back cause shifter. Last thing to say about this topic is... why didn't we have bystials at this point -_- BRUH 72 hours of tear mirrors and stun like bro why(i'm glad the world champion ships allowed us to find the best tearlament players when do we find the best yugioh players next?... this is a joke btw)... oh also not sure if i mentioned this in this comment chain?... but maxx c doesn't do anything for going first player activating on turn 2 until you draw into something(it doesn't really get any extra value till you draw 2 hand traps otherwise it'd be about the same value as just having some other hand trap to start). Context is pretty important as well. Ex. Yubel and Snake eye isn't that great after they burn all their key ED(S:P, Promethean). You could have a lot of engine pieces/cards but no follow up(exact decks are not coming to mind rn but halqdon for example had pretty trash clap back since you used up so much ED space on combo not really much going on after your board gets broken, and the deck is designed to turbo out your 1 of halq that goes into your 1 of auroradon).

i think we get new cards in master duel soon? usually get one around when duel pass ends. we'll see if we get some fresh ingredients

@ Sweet! Got my fingers crossed for something useful or just fun to play!

hmmm forgot the positivity part of the video where i was supposed to mention how absurd it is to actually play optimal... and most plays done by players are technically miss plays. it's just a matter of what scale the miss plays are and to not worry too much about miss playing. Just learning from your mistakes and being able to recognize them is good enuff.

imo optimal plays are about making absurd hard reads with info you don't fully have... but if we're talking about optimal with the info you have yep sounds about right

tbh pray... If stun your handtraps useless. If combo your Backrow removal useless... etc

Tenpai combo video

yep... snake eye has a suprising lack of backrow removal... also ratios are important as well cutting certain handtraps might also be worth depends though(it's case by case).

Don’t

zeus doesn't negate :)

whether you're playing 60 cards or 40 cards you're just praying for a good hand... You can open a full house in either version the odds are just different. triple ash blossom with double called by the grave XDDD Does depend on what you're playing as well though. So in general i'd say somewhat situational?... as long as you maintain decent ratios you should be ok.

low key since you don't have info on what your opponent is playing any kind of zone placement could be a missplay... but as long as you don't miss play your own zones screwing over a future play you should be good :)

still wish i could do it cleanly but yugioh feels like kind of a mess

not a goated list but i'm sure there are people that will like it i guess. Secret village hit feels too slow imo though coulda used it like 1-2 months ago but since tenpai was hit it was probably going to start falling off anyways like thanks i guess?...

nah i'd wait till third wave :)