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Base Teresse only cost 1 SP (same as Rou kick and Kry bat), so on attack turn 1 I am using Samay/Zenith (0 SP), Teresse (1 SP), and Eleaneer/BG Justia (both 2 SP) for a total of 5 SP. You cannot use SP battery abilities to spend more than 5 SP total on turn 1. :(

@@severinus3 man, I miss this game. Stopped playing it since I play too much and work got too busy lol. But yeah Seasonal bans in Counterside was like the best system I've ever seen for PvP.

a season is a week bruh

Ahhh. I never played CounterSide -- is deployment cost basically the same thing as SP? Increasing SP costs would be super detrimental to a unit. And I now realize seasonal was a poor choice of words, should have said quarterly or something.

@@zardistsukasa Yea it was so fun, I stopped long ago because it felt I couldn't keep up with all the awakened units sadly lol. Game had potential, and I always remember the PvP system when I see problems in other gachas with PvP

​@@Liamera31 Yea a bit similar to SP, and yea that's the point! A few of the most OP/popular units would be hard "nerfed" for a season (or quarter, month, week, whatever - let's not be pedantic) with +1 SP cost, if they still saw a lot of play next season SP cost would go +2 etc. And when play rate drops, their cost decreases again. This would already make it so we wouldn't see same units all the time. To make this system more viable I think we'd have to start with a bit more SP by default though, or maybe it would be fine and people would turtle up more for turn2, who knows. Another option to go with it, every time the costs changed, a few units that are normally considered pretty bad in PvP could have discounted SP costs for a time. Downside to this is we'd have to invest into normally bad units, which is rough if you wanna max them.

Yeah, I've heard crits and season bonus elemental damage being two of the predominant theories for variance between replay and live. I think it still happens but I just don't think it's a priority for the devs. :S

@@Liamera31 yeah, it's a little bit annoying if people are really trying to study up what went wrong and fix it, but as you said, I don't think the population that even cares that much is very big, so they might have that as a very low priority issue.

The challenge of course is that it may restrict new players even more since long term players probably have easy access to many types of comps whereas new players are trying to get their first few pvp units in order. Would need some tweaking but I like the idea!

or even punish meta builds on defense by not loosing as many points, if the enemy unit containts the from you selected target. This wouldnt restrict players either in what they wanna play and instead just encourage more variety

I'll try to put something together. Unfortunately 90% of the time the answer is going to be "you can't put together a strong pvp offense without some combination of X characters" but we definitely get a lot of players who are 1-2 months in and wondering what their best option is.

It's been a long time but I think after completing Ch 3 or Ch 4? If you unlock it you won't have a good pvp team for a while so just run your 40 attacks asap and focus on pve for the next month or two and just look out for pvp costume banners. :)

There's a very strong attack using Helena Diana Schera in the back row and PP Justia in middle front with Eclipse right behind her. Turn 1 uses BHelena AD Diana PP Justia Base Eclipse and Schera basic attack. Very hard for enemy to kill anyone turn 2 esp with Eclipse SP suck and you wreck face turn 3.

@@Liamera31 😯lemme try dat

So my Teresse + Morpeah goes over some of the most common attack comps and briefly goes over which preemptive defensive units do best against which attack comps. I do agree I could go into more detail especially with positioning though -- I'll cook something up, thanks for the idea!

@@Liamera31 no problem, I see your video before that one here, you talk about pvp, it was good but I don't know if because I'm on midgame is kinda confusing, I'm trying to understanding more pvp since bosses is more mechanics and status check than anything so eventually I will get there but pvp is other history I need to start to learn from now hahahha

@@poke8391 Putting together a good pvp requires high dupes on a lot of meta costumes, so if you're a few months into the game it's not uncommon to not be able to put together a GREAT team. :)

@@Liamera31 I start on mushoku tensei collab, my only max dupe is swimsuit dalvi, swimsuit eclipse, swimming morphea

If you want to rank, you should always be running your chalices like normally. The fast run is just for players who don't care about rank and just want to get their medals asap.

@@Liamera31 thanks for the reply, yeah on busy days I'm doing the skip, this is saving so much time (I know you can put on auto but I stay all day outside my house so is a problem if my battery die), pvp on brown dust 2 is kinda confusing for learn more hahaha but still really good

@@poke8391 You can also just do the new way for the first 5 days of the season, then use the old slow way for the last 2 days as a compromise, since the last 1-2 days are all that really matter for ranking :)

Welcome back!

That's a good point, if you're trying to avoid venaka or beclipse than you tend to clump your units for a high value beach eclipse. One possible way to get around that is to have a taunter on turn 2, as units like Glacia and a 90 mres Lecliss can tank her quite well. I find my AQ Lecliss buffed with beach Teresse can usually tank + spank beach Eclipse quite handily, and it only gets worse on turn 4 with base Lecliss taunt as well.

@@Liamera31 That's a good idea, i sometimes see a well-build Lecliss. She is a wall indeed. I will invest into her, thank you for the tip!

Great idea! I'll work on that for a future video.

I have BA Tere +5 but i can't quite imagine how she can be used in defense. Perhaps with Morpeah instead of Gran?

BHelena Zenith PP Schera should kill 1 unit guaranteed (when fully built/potentialled/engraved), so if Roxy silences at least 1 more unit and Rou gets a kick off, you should be very strong going into turn 2, often killing 2 units and silencing 1-2 with a Rou to help evade. It might be a gear/dupe/potential issue, or it may be a positioning issue. Do you watch your replays to see how you lose and see if there are adjustments you could make? If you have 30-40% wr on defense you are chilling, especially near reset. Most players fall to 20% or lower.

@@Liamera31 Yeah, my gear isn't end game, decent level and missing some dupes here and there like my Zenith and Rou are +3. I'm checking it, especially if Schera can't kill Gran (+5 but no ex) and Roxy attacks her or another tank wastes Roxy damage i'm like 90% defeated. I'm using Schera at left top, Roxy in middle so she usually targets right flank where there might be tanks. Perhaps i should change Roxy and Schera positions. My Roxy is +5 with her ex and awakened she kills more than Schera, often 2-3 enemies. But against mres tanks she can't do anything. My defense win rate at master is very low too perhaps even lower than 20% but as i fall to sapphire it increases. For example last day win rate is 28% and season is 39% currently. I guess this back and forth is normal. BA Tere, base Eclipse, Rou, Morpeah defense makes sense? My Gran is only +2 so if i replace her perhaps i can hold better in master.

​@@ggoddkkiller1342 Gotcha. Zenith +3 isn't the end of the world, most of her value is in having all 3 tears invested in her to get most of the value. And no Schera ex is rough but once you invest in her a little more you'll be golden.

To be extra careful you generally shouldn't dismantle imo. Some units like Lathel prefer 2 version, one for full tank and one for dps in Last Night. You never know if they'll implement a new system in future that requires dupes.

Seir

I think the best version of that is where you last two slots are both Roxy and Rou, so Roxy can silence left or right column and rou kicks and stalls the other one. Base Eclipse is also an option for your 4th slot at 2 SP to reduce the enemy's SP. If you used all your SP and still have a 5th slot I think any skip carry with a crit auto attack is strong to occasionally snipe units.

@@Liamera31 Do you think PP Justia is a good filler for Magic Dispel 2? I only have Roxy at +1. So it would be Helena/Zenith/Schera/Rou and PP Justia for the last fill.

@@boxxeram I would try both. Roxy on turn 1 is less about killing and more about the silence hopefully hitting 2 enemies, so it is more aggressive. PP Justia is obviously more defensive and waiting for a strong turn 3. PP Justia has more value in the RRH comps because she gets the shield as well for extra defense, but having 4 hits of evasion is nice too.

Nightmare bunny was a limited costume during this past winter. You will probably have to wait til the end of the year when she gets a rerun.

Yes it is a typo. It is 3 or 4 hits, not 3 or 4 turns. :S

@@Liamera31 I see. Imagine if her skill were able to 100% evade enemy's attack for turns instead. She would definitely be broken for pvp lol

@@ShadowZ30 Yeah that would NOT be okay lol. She would change meta way more if that were the case.

Either a tank or a unit that can kill a squishy with a crit auto attack turn 1.

Glacia/Seir/Gran can do fine as tank, and Venaka/Eclipse can do fine as a crit auto attacker.

@@Liamera31 ic ty :))

There are 4 more summer costumes that have been teased, but I don't know the timeline for when this summer.

It's hard to know for sure because defense meta may change slightly as people are anticipating more pp justias and mrubias and therefore transitioning to more multi hit characters and away from single hits like Venaka/Blood Glutton Justia. I would experiment with 4-0-1 and 3-1-1 with Rubia or Justia in the solo columns. You can also try putting them in a column together with a 3-0-2 or 2-0-3. I know those aren't concrete examples. If BEclipse continues to be most common turn 2 costume than you can just position against that with something like: OXX XOO OXO OOX I'm guessing BEclipse may go down in popularity slightly though since she often won't get her SP succ due to PP Justia dodges.