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It’s been a year, we want to know: -What did it cost? Huge missed element of the video was saying if this ended up costing 30k to install -How has the last year been? Do a follow up video with the reality of living with it and THE COSTS.

Good luck keeping warm when the grid goes down!

200 to 400% efficiency??

Oil per kWh works out at around. 0.5p per kWh, versus 0.26p per KWh on electricity. I’ve fancied taking out the oil burner in my 100 year old solid walled house, but the sums just don’t add up no matter which way you look at it. My oil bill this winter for heating and water heating is less than £300, I suspect it’s at least 3x that much using a heat pump.

Not convinced!

Most of the shopping centres and areas we go to have chargers. That effectively makes an EV more convenient than a diesel/petrol powered car.

Monoblock is Easy. you can do it yourself. LG Therma V Monoblock 9 KW 60 degrees 3500 euro. Google LG Therma V Aircoplaza Zwolle. Put in place, connect with your existing CV radiators. Connect Thermostate and Electricity. And done. It Works. I have Heatpump Heating for 12 years now. Last mont a New LG Therma V. 3575 euro subsidie 3075 euro. With Solar no Energybill for 12 years now. And I let a House same System a family 2 Kids. ❤👍🌹

Vaillant, LG Therma V Monoblock 32R, 60 degrees. 3500 euro. And LG Therma V Monoblock R290, 80 degrees. With Solar no Energybill.

It's not a 'one size fits all', every single house is different.

Well explained but as usual it is the huge cost of the unit, installation and modifications required for the efficient running of the system that is a barrier for most people. Still not convinced that the running costs are as cheap as inferred. Running the system all the time must cost as much if not more as the usual gas/oil hotter system which takes less running time.

Don't go on holiday for two weeks in the winter, we came back last January and it took 2 days to warm up the house, so I now have a brand new combi to run as a type of Hybrid system in the winter and this helps our solar for hot water in the darker months. I love heat pumps but like any solution they have limitation.

Now the bit heat pump advocates won’t tell you. You must keep the heat in, meaning practically no ventilation to the outside, meaning all your cooking and breathing moisture stays indoors and condenses on cool walls and windows leading to black mould formation behind furniture which is very unhealthy. To combat that you’ll need to run a dehumidifier. Oh and cooking smells, burnt toast and evil socks smells can’t get out either. So you will periodically need to open your windows to get fresh air. Since the brickwork and home contents will not be very warm, changing the air will chill your house down pretty quick. Remember there is always a flip side to every coin. So, I am not saying don’t get one, I am saying be fully aware of all the costs and inconveniences which you will not be warned about. Finally, be aware with installation and home upgrades costing maybe £12,000 and the maintenance and running cost eating into that claimed efficiency saving..it will take a long time to break even, versus just putting that money toward say regular low tariff electric heating. If a ASHP saved you say £100 per month on average and servicing cost £200 per year, it is going to take a year to save £1000 and probably 12 years to break even against the full installation cost. If you are already retired, you’ll probably be dead before seeing a real overall saving and if you are younger, it will possibly need replacing anyway by then. Just be mindful and research thoroughly….Unless of course you have pots of money, but then you would probably just keep those lovely hot radiators regardless of costs huh!

Best of luck to you trying to save the planet from going through the natural process of exiting an ice age. Oh wait, did no one tell you that the planet IS still in the process of coming out of the current ice age, the Quaternary Ice Age. And you'll never guess what happens to temperatures and atmospheric gases, they go UP. The ice age we are in is currently going through an interglacial period. This involves glaciers melting. You've been told, just like the rest of us, to follow the science........... you clearly haven't done that at all.

how much did it cost?

Would be interested to hear about operating efficiency and bill savings over oil boiler. Also what did the take out and install finally cost? Thanks

Buy an EV now and be a complete fool

Good video, I had a gas boiler. I still have it but I also had it a while ago.

Not many installers ? why , they use too much energy they are too expensive to fit properly .

Some of the disadvantages of a heat pump. (1) They don’t work in a power cut. (2) The cost of running them goes up and down (mainly up) with the price of electricity (3) They are noisy (4) They have lots of moving parts to wear out (5) From time to time they need to be re-gassed (6) The units take up a lot of space and the radiators have to be larger. For this reason, most people living in isolated locations which are not connected to the gas mains prefer to use oil. The advantages of oil are (1) With an AGA (or similar) heat is still available in a power cut. An AGA with a gravity fed system feeding the hot water tank and radiators can keep a house reasonably warm with no electricity at all required. (2) The cost of heating the house for the whole Winter is known in advance, since the tank can be filled up whenever the cost of oil is lowest in readiness for the Winter (3) Compared with gas (this is not a comparison with a heat pump) there is a saving in the daily standing charge. (4) The servicing costs are reasonably low. However, there is one major disadvantage with oil. You do not get a nice warm glow feeling that you are saving the planet. Although you are not, of course, saving the planet, since the electricity which you are using to run your heat pump is, almost certainly, mainly being generated, somewhere, using oil or gas! So, country dwellers of sense usually plump for an AGA - a large one with a back boiler and gravity fed system for the hot water and radiators.

I love my Oil boiler

No. Not for us.

Very interesting video but it would be nice to see a follow up now you have gone through a winter.

The next mis selling scandal by the Government.

In the north east of England you can buy an ok house in an ok area for 50k (I know I have one). Why would I get a heatpump that would be the same price as the bloody house?

How did it go through the winter and using it for more than a year?

I did a holiday from London to the Outer Hebrides this year in my EV. Not a problem charging even in the Scottish Highlands and Outer Hebrides. Charging stops are great for getting a coffee and a sandwich. By the time you’ve eaten them the charge will be done.

Your car is able to charge from 20% to 80% within 18 minutes! not 30 minutes like you claim. Yes, over 80% it slows very much down

I find it absolutely mad that 90% of people would agree that the government do a terrible job at running the country and yet when they tell you how to heat your home you listen, we as the human race have gotten better and better at making electricity and yet the price has never been higher, I’m not even going to touch on the clean energy thing, the idea of heat pumps is absolutely fantastic if the price of electricity is 3 pence per kilowatt, but it’s not is it? Also 300% efficient? Absolutely rubbish, these heat pumps only have a SCOP of 3:1 or 4:1 in factory conditions, as soon as these conditions drop to anywhere near cold these percentages fall through the floor, an utter scam.

Keep your old boiler & get a Chinese Diesel heater. Or join the Jones's & get a heat pump.. But before you do anything. How many years will it take to pay the initial payment back. How long will the items you buy last, before having to replace them & how much will they cost then.. Also how much room is taken up, having the heat pump layout in your home. Ideal if it is a large home , but not so good if a smaller home. Also heat pumps use a type of gas to generate heat that is within the pipe. How long will this last before having it replaced. . What is the maintenance costs, keeping the whole system going. With all this in place. Was keeping the original boiler cheaper. ......

Imagine spending 50k on a car and having g to worry about a journey lol.Buying a car should be a pleasure not an inconvenience. I'd rather just fill up in 5 mins and have 550 miles in the tank for a month.Im sorry but it maybe time you admitted you made the wrong choice.

My impression is they work very efficiently at getting it from moderature temperatures, about 0 degrees upwards. But then they don't work so well in the extreme cold beneath that. Its trying to pull heat energy from the air outside which is already cold. It can definitely work and be more efficient than oil and gas, especially if you have solar, batteries and good insulation. Which is why its touted and promoted. But experiences do vary and it does seem overengineered. Its worth maybe having a supplementary heat source for those coldest of days even if its just a fan heater. Or a log burner etc. Ultimately I think about what is the payback time on this and what gives the biggest wins. Better insulation is often big win at lower cost. And think how can the set up be most simplified to max out the benfits. Some of the a/c inverters are air heatpumps like on the continent and don't have all the radiators and plumbing and wiring. They get warm quickly and can work well. Less moving parts and pipes to go wrong. In anycase thanks for the video and good luck with your projects

Just about to move to a house which uses oil so this video is perfect! Many thanks.

I looked into this idea some months ago. Here I have a problem, I live at an altitude of 1200 feet, for every 100 metres the air is colder by one degree. ie. four degrees colder than at sea level at all times of the year! my cottage has walls of stone 3 feet thick. Like you, no mains gas, no mains drainage etc. I have 2 solid fuel stoves burning wood or coal, one stove is kept burning 365 days of the year to give heating and hot water. The system works well, at an annual cost of £1800. The heat pump would take me around 30 years! to justify its cost. (taking into account installation and purchase cost.) Result.... not worth doing.

Thanks for this insight into the heat pump journey. It's uncannily similar to my own, although our plan to replace the oil tank with the ASHP unit was scuppered at the last moment when the installers realised that the disruption to the fabric of my house and the logistical confusion of the pipe runs made the proposal unviable. The installation was finished last Friday (Sept 13th 2024) so we're in the same situation you were a year ago, getting used to a whole new way of warming the house without rinsing the electricity supply. I'll look to see if you have more recent videos explaining how you got on. Anyway, thanks for making clear what I kind've half knew.

Has it worked especially thru winter. ?

I don’t have a home charger, can’t get one sadly. So I will always have to rely on public chargers. For that reason I will look for a car that has enough range in the battery to get me to work two days in a row, because I don’t always have a charger available near my home. (Current commute is about 115km one way, so, ideally the range on the worst day should be about 400km) That’s the only “range anxiety” I have. I was looking at the Kia Niro EV, but I’ve crossed it off my list. Instead I’m now looking at the Renault Scenic or the Kia EV3.

The algo suggested your video and I’m glad it did. Abrp looks like a great app. Never heard of it before your video.

you didn't mention: i. the difference in the driving experience, and the advantages of some of the features of the car apps ii. the cost saving if you have home charging with a suitable tariff (once the capital cost of the charger is included) My GF got an MG4, and, even without having home charging, we love it - it's fast, quiet and has some great features such as being able to preheat the car in the morning before going out to it; it certainly would be nice to have home-charging, but overall it's great fun to drive, and that bit easier now that the GF has charging at her office.

Thanks for the honest review. "Charging at a friend's house"?? I don't think so, unless you have a bunch of "single use" friends.

time for an update video i reckon

Great video, I’ve shared it with some sceptical colleagues as our company cars are going and we’ve been offered salary sacrifice EVs. I took delivery of a Kona Electric in April and can’t imagine going back to an ICE car. I live in Birmingham and went to Scotland and back with a mate in May, we just planned charge stops around eating, so topped up at his house in Leeds, stopped in Edinburgh for lunch and added some KwH, then when we swung by Morrisons for food it had 20 mins while we shopped. On the way back we stopped at a Starbucks near Edinburgh and charged whilst we had lunch. Yesterday I took it to climb Yr Wyddfa (Snowdon) with friends. They asked if they can give me petrol money, I was like “it’s only 240 miles, it’s cost £3 tops…” I think it’s important that we remember that EVs are not yet for everyone, people without a drive for example, those that tow caravans maybe, but the vast majority of people (especially those who seem to hate EVs on public comment sections) would cope perfectly fine with one. Not to mention the advantages of one, how smooth they are (helps my wife’s travel sickness) and how quiet they are

Your Hyundai IONIQ 5 can do a 'splash-n-dash' with a 350 kW rapid charger! It can add 100 miles of range in under 7 minutes! This is because of the vehicle's 800 kW architecture. Also most EV nav systems plan your route and you'll find that the system will not have you recharge fully at each stop. Normally it's more like 10 minutes here, 12 minutes there, and overnight charging at your hotel (or final destination).

I'm thinking of changing my diesel car for an EV, and have had a couple of EV test drives (not in an Ioniq 5 though). Everything you say about range and charging confirms what I already thought: I don't think I would be worried at all on that score. But there are other differences which make me hesitant about going electric. EVs with decent range are in most cases considerably larger than my ideal car, probably because the battery takes up a lot of room and can be more easily absorbed into a big SUV without noticeably compromising passenger and storage space. For my daily driving on countryside B roads and in town, or squeezing into a parking space, a smaller car is a lot more practical. Also, in my limited experience of driving EVs, they are less absorbing (i.e. fun) than their much lighter ICE equivalents. They have impressive acceleration in a straight line, but their weight is very obvious when cornering and braking. Perhaps driving enjoyment is not important to many car owners, but it is to me.

So what are you doing to ensure the outside unit doesn't ice up in winter.?

This is such a helpful video. You also have a great presenting style. Shame you don't have more videos. You're a natural

It's not a magic box- it is a reversed air conditioner. Now why nobody in Europe uses air conditioning? Because it's too expensive to run. Now let's get back to heat pumps...

Its cheaper to burn £5 notes - The insulation work needed to make them work is incredibly costly and every customer I know whos fitted one regrets it - maintenance and repair costs are through the roof and your room will look like the starship enterprise when all the pipes and tanks are in - Air source heat pumps are like the Emporers new clothes it just a matter of time before people latch on to the fact

It’s ok for those that tootle about doing a few miles a day and can charge at home what about those that need a van for work and regularly do over 400 miles a day yet an EV van loaded with tools gets around 50 miles! I don’t have a problem with ev’s but they shouldn’t be forced on those that don’t want them. Oh and when we are all forced to be charging overnight you can forget that cheap night time tariff

thanks for this Michael, how did your first winter go and do you have any regrets about having gone with a High Temp model now you've perhaps had more time to research or watch all the HeatGeeks videos 🙂? What did you have to pay for installation out of interest?

We had an oil burner , over 15 years the oil price varied massively "from 28 p / litre to 99 and back diwn again several tines , so NOBODY can say " yes air source is cheaper " it just depends when you wanna throw 15 - 20 grand + at it ,,,,,, and nobody is going to broadcast that a system they have paid a fortune for was a " waste of money " they would NEVER sell thier house for one thing , and then you have the price of electric x 3 ( putin ) the whole thing is so volatile , you will never win ,,,