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Depends on how much time and info i have to make the decision.

I am not sure the P-Zombie debate is valid. I can imagine lot of things that are physically impossible. Just because we can conceive of a P-Zombie does not imply we can conclude anything significant.

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The difference, to me, is that the original Trolley Problem would likely be a one-time emergency that would never be repeated and would pose no danger to society as a whole. Meanwhile, the medical version is different, as it could lead us into a society where the bodily autonomy of the patient is no longer respected. So you're not simply sacrificing one person, you're sacrificing one person AND endangering one of the core foundations of a humane society.

Excellent videos.

what the heck , throw in..... the 5 on the track are ...children or ,illegal immigrants,white or black and the one on the other track is .... a child or .....

We don't really know about subjective death; we can only speculate as to it's nature. But pain is a thing we know all too well. The pain of dying is what we fear along with proceeding into the unknown. That's (at least partially) why death has a bad reputation.

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I cut; you choose predates John Rawls. As Anatole France wrote: The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread. Laws are written by legislators that are not affected by those laws and do not know the consequences of those laws. That is the actual Veil of Ignorance.

So, if these are 5 random people, why should I care in the first place? Regardless if I'm next to the switch or not

Question is why the heck are they just chilling on the track

I've recently self-published a novel that may be of interest to people who are intrigued by the consequentialism v deontology debate in the context of a "life and death" ethical dilemma. It's called "The Decision" by Nathan McGregor, and it's available in both Kindle and paperback format through Amazon.

I am a deontologist Because I don't wanna interfere anything

You are probably extremely busy, but hoping to see some more videos from your channel and from Let's Get Logical.

I thought LOVE was supposed to be THE ANSWER. War and punishment retribution. Love creates only LOVE.

I remember once asking my grandpa if my friends are conscious or not whilst he was fixing something important. It feels amazing getting this video recommended now after so many years and realizing that I asked this deep philosophical question as a kid out of curiosity.

It’s not the ‘future’ that’s behaving like the past though. It’s a physical phenomenon that is occurring.

Essentially, P zombies are only possible in the case that consciousness isn't physical. They are exact physical duplicates, so in the case where physicalism is true all resultant properties should also be the same. We are carrying out an experiment without carrying it out, then assuming an outcome. First, you'd need to be able to replicate someone's physiology down to the quantum level, then you'd have to be able to tell the difference between a P zombie and a person with a consciousness. Then with your conclusion you could make a determination. This argument skips all that rubbish and asserts in the first premise that the p zombie is possible, which is only true if the experiment would be carried out and shown in their favor. Sure, I can "imagine" the experiment going in the non-physicalist's favor but that doesn't mean it is literally possible, it means It is possible that physicalism is wrong but to know, we'd actually have to carry out the experiment to see what the ACTUAL truth would be. But no, physicalism isn't true or false based on my ability to imagine it is true or false. Possible in the sense that I can imagine an outcome, or another is not the same as possible showing there are no literal contradictions in reality preventing my ideas from being true.

The analogy doesn’t hold though. The analogy needed to be “Amy in the past paid you back once, she says she will pay you back again”.

thanks -- explains it well for me

I used this as a term recently, calling somebody a philosophical zombie as a throwaway insult, totally unconscious of the fact that it's a concept in philosophy until someone asked if it was a known term and someone else explained that it is. So I'm probably a philosophical zombie myself, without knowing it. But I do believe many people are zombies, and this, based primarily on a particularly vivid nightmare I had in 2019

I think the biggest issue with this argument / thought experiment is Claim 1: "zombies are possible". This is the sketchiest, flimsiest part of the whole thing, IMO. It seems silly to say "ok, but are zombies POSSIBLE -- in ANY universe?" when the entire point of the argument is to ground consciousness IN OUR universe. It's comparing apples to oranges, it doesn't work. And this is coming from someone who believes that consciousness is NOT just a code in our brains, and is "something more".

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2:25 Bout to be the biggest check-up of his life boiiiii. Doctor's probably doing the Birdman hand rub 😂

All appeals to an authority are fallacious.

People who use the "slippery slope fallacy" argument likely support the projected result at the end of the slope, but don't currently want to admit it because doing so would not be politically expedient.

What a Phenomenal analogy Rawls uses.

I liked the video, I hate it when people make an appeal to a possible slippery slope but there isn't an actual precedent for the slippery slope to happen.

At the trolley its 5 dead vs 1 dead consequence whereas the surgeon its 5 dead vs a not expacted to be dead person killed consequence. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Wouldn't appealing to the masses be a fallacy?

Thank you very much

Well done. Thanks

Instead of Zombies, you should call them Scarecrows because this is a straw-man argument. I can make up 1000's of fictional characters with their own imagined qualities that would just so happen to support my arguments. Don't be stupid!

I think the difference between the first scenario and the second is how removed you are I guess. pulling the lever saves 5 lives while happenstance means it also leads to one death. In the second scenario the act of saving the 5 lives requires the direct and intentional action of killing. I think deontology could justify pulling the lever by the intention of saving lives, given the action requires not intent to murder, while the second scenario requires the intent to murder in order to justify it. I appreciate the second scenario though because it did bring in to question the assurance I had that pulling the lever was the right decision to begin with. I still think I would do it though. Consequentialism would justify both the scenarios though I think. I guess, as in all things, you should take both into consideration. actions aren't removed from their consequences, but the consequences can't justify anything. I can't prove that, because the whole question of morality is entirely subjective unless you believe in objective morality as I do. I just refuse to engage with the extreme that the ends are all that matter. The ends of everything is ruin. I think keeping a healthy and righteous conscience is most of the time more important than maneuvering outside forces through unscrupulous means. I don't know. I'm sure there's a much better argument for my stance than I'm giving. I can feel that theres more to uncover, but I'm sort of in the middle of something and I don't have time to sit here pondering the truth of the situation. If I come to a conclusion that I feel makes a strong rational case I'll come back here and give my thought as I'm prone to do. thanks for the vide.

I'm fine with playing the numbers game. I think even from a deontological standpoint choosing to do nothing has moral value. If 5 people would die if you didn't pull the lever and you had all the knowledge and ability to save them with a simple pull of the lever, you would be responsible for their deaths as far as I'm concerned. not directly, but abdicating to engage is just as involved as directly pulling the lever. therefore I view the problem as simply as this. If you could start the scenario with the trolly hurdling towards one person and intervention would kill even more people, would you? Then why not let your small intervention make that scenario true, because choosing not to pull the lever is just as involved and responsible a choice as choosing to pull it. Noninterventionism is a choice as much as people want to think it isn't. We are always intertwined in the fates of others and allowing people or scenarios to remain as they are puts part of the blame on you for the way things head. If intention matters in deontology then I consider pulling the lever a moral choice if it is made with the intent of saving lives. pulling a lever isn't a moral choice. it has no value. So the only morality in the choice is in the intention if we're speaking deontologically and I suppose the choice to not pull the lever would only hold value in the intention behind it.

Thanks to Thomas Sowell lecture which brought me here. Keep making these great educational videos, thanks a lot!

Au contraire mon frère! Please do not conflate what is true with what Truth is! What is true is determined entirely by what Truth actually is! In other words… deductive theorists are in fact absolutely correct… true conclusions necessarily follow from true premises However, and this is where they come horribly short (and what I suspect you may in fact be hinting at) - how do they know, with apodictic certainty, if their premises are actually true (subjective inference does not yield true conclusions)? What Postmodernists ought to be commended for, is the fact that they’ve finally admitted to the fact that philosophy, after nearly 21 centuries of musing and exhaustive searching and countless arguments and tomes of theorising, has utterly failed in its quest to find Truth! The search for Truth has proved to be nothing less than trying to find the proverbial ‘Blue Flower’ (German: Blaue Blume, symbolic of what is unattainable)! The ‘Paradox of Enquiry’ explains why philosophy’s search for Truth has proved to be a Sisyphean exercise in futility… If you don’t know what you’re looking for, then you have no hope of ever finding what it is that you’re looking for… And if you do happen to know what it is that you’re looking for, then if you have no hope of ever finding what you’re hoping to find, because whatever you already have can only be epistemically superior to whatever it is you’re hoping to find! And since knowledge is predicated on the Truth, we must grant that the doctrine of Acatalepsy held by the ancient Skeptic philosophers had it right - what we understand as ‘knowledge’ never amounts to certainty, only to probability, or what the Apostle Paul called ‘knowledge falsely so-called’ (1Tim 6:20)… For Truth to be Truth, is has to be absolute, it has to be immutable, it has to be incorrigible… In other words… for Truth to be Truth, it needs to transcend human experience Also, it has to be knowable, but since we cannot come to find it, it has to find us… In other words… Truth has to be revelatory (Jhn 16:13)… So, it is possible to know the truth of a proposition, but not by any measurement of human reasoning deductively, inductively or abductively, and certainly not by asking Google or Siri or ChatGPT or whatever - Truth can only be known if the Author of Truth reveals it to us! Ie one can only come into possession of (true) knowledge if it is imputed… what Scripture properly intends as ‘Faith’ (in the Hebrews 11 sense)!

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Some lifes aren't worth saving

As a consequentialist, I view the very phrasing "kill one to save five" as unjustifiably ceding ground to deontology. Deontologists truck in a multiplicity of verbal disintctions. The phrasing that's fair to consequentialism is: "choose one death plus one lever pull over five deaths plus zero lever pulls".

What's the difference between Ted and Zed? How can you tell one from the other?

Commenting for the algorithm.

The line between being based and not being based is susceptible to vagueness. Luckily, this video is a clear case of being based.

This video saved me 1 point on my Philosophy test

In both cases you just do nothing

Is being moral intrinsicly good ?

Maybe zombies are not possible

Ive always understood it as this: Most information used to support a claim is ultimately derived from some form of authority. Ex. Historical records/documentation or scientific studies, as they were written by experts on the respective subjects (I’ve had people tell me I was appealing to authority by merely listing sources, such as names of experts and their works, as a window to pursue further research). Relying on experts and citing their work to derive information is one thing, as the information should stand on its own regardless of who wrote/compiled it. It’s another when you rely solely on the status of an expert as a means to validate the claim.

Either case is unfortunate. I’d flip a coin 🪙 and let chance determine the outcome.