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I wasn't either except for the very end of his career. Yes, he was amazing. I am no dance critic, but I have read these enormous reviews of his dancing by dance critics, and they say what he would do, even little things I do not notice, were so difficult and amazing. He just made it look easy.

@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 I was born in 64 so technically I was a teenager when he passed and I knew his name but I didn't know I liked that kind of music and dance. Now all the old ones like Bing and perry como and Frank Sinatra and Fred Astaire ,I found online them all, they were so talented and it brings back bittersweet memories. From what I've read Fred Astaire was a nice family man and was devastated when his first wife died.

Yes, Fred was nice 99% of the time, better than most, there were a few instances where he lost his temper. He was odd in Hollywood, early to be early to rise famiy man. He was terribly devestated with his wife's early death.

I have no idea, if you say he did I assume he did. He was VERY big, just not inthe movies as an actor. I do not know much at all about radio performances expcept a little for the main characters I am covering, at this time Fred and Ginger. My wife did just give me a present, a bio-bibliography of Ginger, I did not know this kind of book existed, and it has an enormous amount of info, including every radio broadcast she did. Cool. Now I gotta get one for Fred.

Glad you enjoyed it

I love it too... foremost for two scenes, this wonderful dance scene and the brawl scene. I think it very special Ginger, at the height of the dancing part of her career, leaves the spotlight on Ellison, in what might be his best scene ever, and the great Beulah Bondi. But I love the entire movie, the first Ginger without Fred movie I ever watched, and the beginning of my becoming a BIG Ginger fan.

Your welcome. I enjoyed making that one, they did so many wonderful dances.

Thanks... I just love this dance, have it rated the #2 dance of all time. I love how Ginger floats across the floor, and it does not need to be mentioned what a great dancer, AND choreographer, Fred was. I found myself mesmerized by Ginger, and in time I realized that is exactly how Fred designed these romantic dances, to highlight the beautiful woman.

Sorry, I cannot avoid cutting it up to show it. That is why a full version is nowhere on Yahoo. Yahoo is enforcing very strict copyright rules.

Good to hear from you again, Paul (I assume you are Paul). Yes, it does start of similiar, Irene wrote the books the F&G movie was based upon, and for most of the movie was on the set driving everyone crazy. As to the film itself, it is fairly well done for its time period, in the spacing between text screens and not running the video sections too long as was common earlier. I didn't want to like Irene because of her animosity towards Ginger later on, but she does very well and is prettier than I expected. I do not expect much from 1915 silents, at that point D.W. Griffith was leading the way with greatly improved products, with his "Intolerance" a quantum leap in quality for the medium. (and a totally insane movie in the money spent and the granduer of it all. If you have not, read up on this movie, what an amazing story. I will cover D.W. Griffith one day hopefully) I did not like when they decided to turn it into an action/adventure movie, just too silly. But nobody really knew how to do it yet, they were all experimenting. I would say overall a decent product for its time.

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 I love Intolerance. (The movie, that is.) But I have a real passion for the silent era in general - the German expressionist stuff, the American horror films, and obviously Chaplin and Keaton and Lloyd.

I do not share your love of the silents. I have many in my collection, and have watched them, and do truly appreciate what they were creating, the slow development of movies over time. Some I have enjoyed watching, but it is mostly, for me, a labor of love, to understand the early industry. I do agree some of the silent comediens did some excellent work. I also found great improvement in the 20's, seemingly always lead by D.W. Griffith. The truth is, I really need to do more research on the silents to form a final opinion.

Wow, there is a podcast about the Wagner shooting? Will look into it. In one of my sources, cannot find it right now, it said Ginger was diagnosed with diabetes at around 21. Her assistant says no... OK. I find all the conflicting accounts frustrating. I got LeRoy's bio for info, and he barely mentions Ginger. How could all those newspaper stories say they were enganged when they were not? FRUSTRATING! Thank you so much for the info... you will have to tell me sometime about how you ended up with these connections....

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 Yes, the podcast is called Love Is A Crime, it was done by Vanity Fair a few years back. It covers much more than just the shooting - it's interesting. Enjoy! I think it says on Wikipedia that Ginger Rogers had diabetes. There's so much online that's not true, sometimes it's hard to sift through. But like I said, I never read or heard from a credible source that was true, and I doubt it was. Newspapers back in the day made up all kinds of stories about actors and actresses and directors and producers... Studios wanted people interested in their private lives so they'd go see the movies. Not surprised LeRoy said very little about Ginger as I don't think she played a big role in his life or career. He went on to bigger and better things, and so did she.

Thank you. I am working on it, but it is very time consuming and I only have so much time to put into this. Right now I am putting up the details for the 10 movies Ginger did solo during their 6 year partnership, then I will do Episode 3.

Choosing 100 is impossible, already I have several I missed on a list if I ever redo this. But, yes, I did not intend on including animated dancing in this list.

Unfortunately the video editor I use has no spell check on it, and I do try to catch my endless typos before posting, and never get them all. I could not find ONE reference to "woke" in this entire video, so I guess your reference to "woke" comes from some other video I posted, or some other source. For the most part I try to skip political statements, that is for another venue. So you are saying you will not watch a movie without ANY reference to politics because elsewhere I made a comment?? That, in a nutshell, is exactly what forms my opinion of people who consider themselves "woke". Before it was called that, it was the "cancel culture", and it even existed long before that. You seek to punish me by not watching my video and declaring why? LOL, yes, I will lose endless hours of sleep because of your boycott! Do you NOT understand why so many view that as absurd? There was a time where political and social issues could be discussed in most cases. It was far better that way. I do not judge the entirety of a human being on their opinions on issues, in their totalitary a woke person could also do a great deal of charitable work, for example, and that makes them a GOOD person, even if I disagree on their polticial opinions. In the end, if you will boycott anyone who disagress with you on any subject, all you are left with is the echo chamber of forced unanimity.. (oh dear, no spell check here either, did I just blow that word?)... or, in my opinion, Orwell's "1984". There is only ONE TRUTH, and anyone who dares to disagree with any point must be banished. Stop being silly. You want to watch this, go ahead already, I place no purity test on my viewers. When you are done, add another comment castigating me if it makes you feel better. I will be temporarily crushed, but I will recover.

I am just a human being

Anyone who needs to proclaim himself/herself an "expert" is weak,worthless POS with delusions of grandeur. Revel in your self-appointed expertise. If you are supposedly on the air, I hope that you are removed, and wish you failure.

Wow, while I am annoyed at their silly post, and appreciate what I assume is backing me up a little here, this was a bit harsh. When I first saw this, I thought it was towards me, since I also claim, by the name of my channel, to be a movie historian, even though each and every day I learn new facts about the industry back then. When I decided to do this, I did worry that I was guilty of "delusions of grandeur", LOL, I know a lot, but altogether I know so little about this massive subject. I know nothing about the original commentators radio appearances, but I assume he (I think, Eddie? I am not into this new pronoun stuff) would not have the position without a fair amount of knowledge, but then you never know about posts. I do assume by the original post this person does take the self admitted "woke" viewpoint of movie history, and I have read countless "woke" reviews of old movies and actors that sometimes totally stun me with a view I not only disagree with, but sometimes can barely comprehend. But we live in a country that believes in freedom of speech, and the biggest test of that is when someone says something you find abhorrent and dislike it, are even repulsed by it, but accept it as their right. That is why I do not block or delete posts like the original, nor yours. With that said, I do find some of the "woke" opnions wrong, from silly to actually destructive. It pains me when old stars are unfairly demonized, while the reputation others deserving at least a little demonization are unscathed. The biggest flaw I find in much of this idealogy is measuring things from almost 100 years ago on these new "standards" that are not even agreed upon by current society. History must be viewed in a proper context. SO - there is a part of me that agrees with your wishing the person "failure", IF they are spewing vile opinions of movie history and unfairly slandering the past... it is not just the "woke" viewpoint I find unfortunate, but so many of these sensationalist commentary you find out there. Even worse is how popular these slash and burn products are. But neither of us know what this person puts out there, do we? While I fear you might be right, without examples I cannot wish this person failure. Because if he is promoting movie history, then he and I are doing the same thing, attempting to bring to the public's attention just how wonderful so much of the movie past can be.....

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 I apologize to you, as channel owner. I regret that I was unable to ensure that his/her/its name was highlighted in reply.Let me just say that these self-appointed experts often are not that at all, but they are oftentimes first-class whiners, creeps, and stalkers,. They frame everything through their distorted little lens, deprecate anyone with a more balanced view. Probably plagiarized his way to any sort of recognition, same as Claudine and other folks of truly low value. Probably also lashed out because his "side" had a lousy presidential candidate. Thankfully, "New York" doesn't take up much space, and is not the world. That filth can and should stay there.

This scene has to be the MOST copyright restricted scene in movies. I start with showing the entire thing, and then cut away until finally it is allowed to be published. I, also, would rather see the entire wonderful dance. I do have the movie, so I can see it there. Sorry, this is the best I can do.

I am sorry, but I am not sure what you mean. In the Complete Fred and Ginger Movies, Songs and Dances playlist, it starts with the entire 10 rated, then the songs and dances fast review, and then the 10 movies in order of rating, followed by clips from all 10 movies in date order. Handling these lists if very hard on RUclips, no easy way to review the lists, so maybe I am not seeing something. Please explain what you are seeing.

Here is the link to the playlist ruclips.net/p/PLrwI-xJ5yWqNgHtqI6hbcYEgQzn5gTUfe

Glad you enjoyed!

Thanks

It did...

Paul, good to hear from you again. Yes, silly movie, and a real labor of love to sit through some of these early silents. As to keeping to the story line, Irene was on the set for the first half or so of the filming of "The Story of Venon and Irene Castle" to keep it "true" and driving everyone, especially Ginger, nuts.

Glad you enjoyed it

Fair enough. For Fred, though, Vernon and Irene had been a BIG influence on his career when he was young, so he probably wanted to do this very badly. And Ginger wanted to transform her career into a serious dramatic actress, and this gave her some of that. Yes, it is not a "Fred and Ginger movie", and I do understand your reservations. I, too, would have preferred another "Roberta", "Top Hat" or "Swing Time" myself...

My channel is a mix of moetized and non-monetized videos, part of my retirement plan. RUclips's copyright check robot is tough on video, even worse on songs. If I play more than just a few seconds, the song gets all the earnings and I get nothing, LOL. I will post the full song in ints own video, if I can, at some point. You can hear it now. ruclips.net/video/5PMKsxgVTwU/видео.html

Thanks.... yeah, it took a LONG time to put this one together, plus I kept on getting new info on the most senstive subject in the video, so I had to do it over, and over, and over. There will be a bunch coming out for a while until I redo the big documenatry episode 3.

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 I finished this excellent video, and WOW! Amazing job with this. You are doing a noble work in preserving this history of two incredibly talented stars. I can't wait to see what comes next!

Thank you very ,uch. It is surely mnot for everyone, it is ot a 15 second short, but I figure there are enough like me out there to enjoy it.

Sorry about that. I pay for no advertisements because I find them annoying. What I meant is no more interruptions by ME... I cannot control the ads appearing or not.

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 Well, I'm sure you can see how folks could take the "uninterrupted" literally and expect no ads. I did like the introduction to the movie, and thank you for the reply!

I am fairly new to this, and later I regretted how I stated that. The problem with RUclips is you got make a tiny one letter spelling correction, and the video is now once again "new" and starts at the very bottom of the search lists again.

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 I'm very ignorant about how that works, and the whole deal with ads. I know some channels and movies I've seen have them and some don't. Sounds like you like them about like I do, lol. I considered the possibility that when you put the movie on here it didn't have ads and at some point youtube inserted them. Anyway, it's not a major deal, and I know you weren't trying to deceive anyone. I've been known to get a bit too picky sometimes! Take care.

I can save you the time, I contacted MOMA, they confirmed Disney had the rights and gave em a contact at Disney, since then every department at Disney sends me off to another department...

@ That’s pretty bizarre

the studios won't release their grips., but also do not want to try to sell these movies because not enough money, so they just sit there never seen

126:45 Typo … 42 Street Anytime Annie not Diggers .. It happens 😊

I musta watched this entire video, over 2 hours long, at least 10 times proofreading, so of course once I post it, NOW I see a misspelling, and you point out another. You get "blind" to what you create doing this...

Thanks. Yeah, she also did a balckface tribute to him, and was one of the few privately trained by Robinson

Yes it was.... the Oscar goes to the composers, so Ginger (and the other two who sang it) get no credit, but we all know Ginger's great performance was crucial to winning that award. I took Oscar Best Song nominees and added the singers to the award, I find that much more informative. For whatever the reason, the less the public cares about an award, the stranger the rules get, constantly shifting for advantage to one group or another. "Night and Day" was a HUGE hit from the play, #1 song of the YEAR on the Billboard charts, but because it was in the play, it could not be considered.

Want to fill in the other 9 to make a full list? All the differences in opinion are fascinating

Hello, James, haven't heard from you in a while. I did that one quite a while ago, but am working my way through their combined careers and it will be replaced at some point. So I do not remember the details of editing that movie, but in general the restrictions vary from movie to movie, owner to owner. There are some movies I cannot show 2 15 second clips, others I can show much more. I do admit after wrestling with a heavily restricted one, sometimes I start off cutting heavy because I do not want to spend 2 days fighting the restrictions, only to later realize I could have show much more.

Thank you very much, I try

ASs great a dancer as Fred was, I think he was even a greater choreographer, AND had insight that improved the methodology of filming song and dance so much he received a special Oscar for his contribution

Thank you, I am getting more subscribers all the time, and the viewership is growing. It is still a niche subject matter, though, so it would take a LONG time to get really big.

That was very interesting and informative. Thank you. Still, when a dance scene goes along that long, it is not my favorite. What I have learned in doing this is how many different opinions here are out there about what is great, and what is not, in movies. All are valid. I am learning to temper some of my criticism's. This was a very early video for me.

Artistic tastes are always subjective. There are so many videos claiming to list the 10 Best Songs of ___________ (Beatles, Elvis, etc.), or 10 Greatest Films of All Time, and so often the choices of the video maker are hardly what most people would even list among their top 10. Both Ballet and Opera were based on the notion that if a little of something (dance, singing) is good, then more must be better. So most Ballets are all dance, no talking, and most operas are all singing, again no talking. Too much of a good thing, in my opinion. That's why I think the Broadway Musical is an art form that works. Sometimes a little goes a long way. And if you liked Singin In The Rain, there are a number of similar films from the same era you might enjoy. Three Little Words (1950) with Fred Astaire The Best Things In Life Are Free (1956) with Gordon MacRae Mother Wore Tights (1947) with Betty Grable You're My Everything (1949) with Anne Baxter The last three of those all co-starred Dan Dailey. Also The Bandwagon (1953) with Fred Astaire and Cyd Charisse

I ranked the 10 Fred and Ginger movies one to ten, and then asked for people to give me their rankings. About 12 complied. Very interesting, the different opinions. I have Three Little Words and The Bandwagon... I LOVE the dance "Dancing In The Dark". I will look out for the others. Thanks.

Yeah, so beautiful, so talented, so charming

Ginger went to school until she was 14. They were on the road after that doing Vaudeville for 3 years. I assume her mother Lela did some schooling, but Ginger makes no mention in her bio. There were a lot of chalid stars back then that never had a normal education. Fred was on the road for all but 2 years from the age og 6.

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 Thanks!

Yes, Benchley was an excellent character actor, and you need those to have a good movie.

I do, also, but then it cannot be posted on RUclips because of copyright restrictions.

It's a great scene... not sure how a 105 pound woman became such a bralwer in the movies, this is NOT her only fight...

LOL, true... wait, doesn't it run right through Glocca Morra???? The composer was Jewish, Burton Lane (originally Burton Levy), as was the lyricist Yip Harburg (originally Isidore Hochberg). Still, its a very nice song...

Yes, I know. I reciew these over and over, and after a while you become blind to what you are seeing. Eventually I notice the mistake(s), plural. It would be so nice if I could fix the little mistakes and repalce the current version, but on RUclips there is NO replace function, it is treated as a brand new video and drops to the bottom of searches, etc., starting all over. So somtimes I ignore the flaws.. this video has finally gotten some real traction in viewership.

Thanks, glad you enjoy

I like it very much, especially the back and forth pranks.

I know why.... because it is so incredibly beautiful. I rank it the 2nd best dance in all of movie history, after Gene Kelly's joyous "Singin' In The Rain". In both cases, it is not just the dance moves, it is the emotions that overwhelm.

You're very welcome! I am working on the redo of episode 2 for multiple reasons, and should have that out soon. It is not all that much different from the current version

Yeah, I like it very much too

You keep on making my day with your comments. I am part of a Ginger group, and you would be surprised several are under 30

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 thank you for enlightening my rusty brain. It gives me hope. Please keep doing what you do. It’s truly gratifying. I’m a professional….. audience ❤️

Thank you, dear. But most of the credit for the happiness goes to Fred, Ginger and the rest of the casts. Their movies make me smile all the time.