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Navajo story of the gambler who lived at chaco and enslaved those who lost host games built chaco. Slavery caused the revolt against the gambler from the south and all the pottery was destroyed and places associated with chaco destroyed. Also, they were evil people who woeshipped the darkess and engaged in ritual sacrifices and cannibalism.

This discussion omits consideration of a clan structure within the larger urban polity, which might help explain the multiple great house arrangement as well as a diffusion and specialization of skills and roles. The clan structure might have anticipated similar internal affiliations within Navajo/Dine society, or as evident today within North Pacific Coast tribes.

Excellent talk, I am from England near Stonehenge and revisting Chaco in 2024 so this was very informative. Brilliant speaker

I translated the drawings of the moche Moche ceramic: God of death; humans ask the universe for help. Native American symbol of help

Herr I am 3 years later but Meridian means South as in Australs (Southerners). There are Amerindians and Meridians but both are Indiens.👍

I live in New Braunfels. I married Grand Daughter of Egon Prusser. Lori Ann Myers. Early Commanche (Numunu} Germans. Lena "He-va" Myers formerly Fischer Born Nov 1879 in Indian Territory, United Statesmap ANCESTORS ancestors Daughter of Rudolph Fischer Gerrman and Tissy Chauer (Numunu) Commanche Sister of Sophia (Fischer) Fuller [half] and Helen Marie (Fischer) Parker [half] [spouse(s) unknown] [children unknown] Died 13 Jul 1972 at age 92 in Lawton, Comanche, Oklahoma, United Statesmap

vonda, Mayans did not know turquoises.

Mrs. Denetdale you have a PhD and you can not stay focus talking without saying "uummm". You need to listen to more false stories you have gathered and to draw yourself closer to our Earth mother. I listen to your presentations during which i alot of book research that is not indigenous. I will say more however i request tobacco for há néh.

Chaco was home to the red haired cannibal giants aka Nephilim

Who were the "nobles"? Were they 'locals" or did they migrate in? If so, where did they originate?

This fellow takes a lot of liberty filling in the gaps of his own research. The Navajos know what happened.

This guy is not up on the latest stuff. The Anasazi were a blood cult from Mexico. They were all killed in entirety by the Navaho and cliff dwellers when they joined forces to defeat the Anasazi.the Anasazi were practicing witches,were cannibals and enslaved the Pueblo people and ate them.

Cannibals

“They were very cosmopolitan” is a fun way of saying they were slave traders lol

Thank you - another rigorous, well-researched, and wonderfully presented. Thank you, Amerind, for continuing to offer these types of program.

Chaco is not in SE Arizona ❤😂❤

Came across this by chance today! It's so fascinating to see these huge complexes made so many centuries ago, and to imagine what it would have been like to see the people living there.

A you tube site named Navajo Traditional Teaching has several videos on how the Dine view Chaco canyon and the Anasazi. They claim that the Anasazi "nobility" were actually slave traders and that the slaves eventually revolted and wiped out the nobility. Afterwards, some of the former slaves became clans of Dine. "Navajo" is actually a Spanish language corruption of the term (A nab a ho) that the Anasazi language used to describe the Dine.

Very much appreciated. Thank you. Altepetl was new to me but seems to fit.

Fantastic talk! I've read some books and seen some videos and visited Chaco twice. Steve's reasoning on houses & kivas seems sound and quite well thought out. Such a fascinating subject.

All you have to do is go out there and try to meditate ... you'll see what kind of energy you can connect with. Make your own decisions on what happened there. The energy will guide you.

So who was the royalty, at Chaco? Were they Aztec? That part, never came full circle here.

Was out there this past weekend. I had many questions. This answered many. It is a shame that a few folks, working from a strange stance has influenced the history or rather the interpretation of history based on an assumption with any claims to being remotely valid. I see that currently with the use of prescribed burns. It is unfortunate that the local people do not share their stories as it could change so much, honestly, so many opportunities to put story and legends to events that you could create many new archaeologists/historians/park people (PhDs) out of the local peoples AND keep that knowledge uniquely theirs at the same time.

I'm here after watchin killers of the flower moon...what amazing history.

I'd like more details about the stored materials and foods found in the little rooms. I'd like to know more about the turquoise jewels and feather pieces that were made. Fascinating information. Thanks.

PS I want to detract my statement about Navajo boarding schools. I was being rushed and I didn't include the history of atrocities directly inflicted by those schools on to my mom, her mom, and my grandmother Susan White. I had a certain idea in my head when I created that slide but everything went out the window when I presented and I'm sorry for the confusion. Thank you for understanding.

Link to presentation docs.google.com/presentation/d/1vQoz5W0xYGhU2yTg8HWyvXqtxEKFLjZvEeQZJqW-lXk/edit#slide=id.p

Its the Sun's house where he lived with his 6 wives...and then a Gambler came and just reporposed it to store his goods 😮

So many people don't know because they don't seek after the knowledge wisdom truth

Keep teaching the truth

Amen

Chaco Canyon was the meeting place of the tribes of 5 directions. They arose from the wars with the reds as survivors. Here they shared the beautiful obsidian in great quantities here. Each house is built in the style of the traveler. The secret to understanding Chaco is to see the skill and pride they shared in the construction technics and their difference. Each shared their cultures and the mix created a very knowledgeable group.

Let us Know When you Ask Live with Hopi Farmers,you Will Learn Real History Not your Educated Speculation

Ignoring Tribal Hopi Elders History, Seeing They Are The Oldest Continuous Living Villages in North America, is an Ethnocentric European Racist View

It just amazes me how arrogant white men have been for so long and how much the native people of all of the Americas have always been underestimated. I truly think it would blow most of our minds how much cultures fron South, Central and North America have established and done long before the Spanish and Europeans made it across the Atlantic.

i can't believe I missed this for so long! Great presentation! I like how there was a small comparison to Chaco without trying to spend the whole time trying to compare them... there was no comparison... they were both great in their own way..

The title of this says 2023 Texas Canyon Mountain Bike RACE... but the video, pics and description seem to describe the FUN RIDE, not the RACE. I had watched a similar video before I signed up for the RACE last year. Having been to the Texas Canyon area several times, and looked at a satellite view of this area, this looked like it would a good place for a race. Unfortunately much of the trail was tufts of grass that had been recently mowed, and it wasn't any fun to ride over 50,000 of those. Then towards the end was a section that was a sand wash, and riders were literally having to carry their bikes for a few blocks. Apparently the FUN RIDE uses a different route. I've ridden hundreds of miles of mountain bike trails in Arizona, and once was enough for this one.

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The area around Chaco canyon has SO many dams/tanks in the valleys. There are hundreds and hundreds of them, and most of them are at least 20-30m long structures. The population of the area had to be higher than modern archeologists are saying. Building one of those without earthmoving equipment must have taken a lot of people and a lot of work. Let alone hundreds.

at 0:45 ...I`m glad you ain`t wearin a mask and, if I was there, I wouldn`t social distance from you neither! :O)

Great video. I like the part where ethnologies and the original experts supposed some things about the pueblo people and Chaco that were inaccurate assumptions that were then accepted by academia as dogma. I see from many people that this area is center of trade and commerce for that region at that time.

Great le ture and great ideas and a look into how digmatic american archeology can be and how rigourous, scientific investigation and common sence soeculation can destroy those old, often extremely biased narratives.

Awesome artist; thank you.

What is his instagram?

Excellent presentation. Thank you, so much.

I can see Mayan artist...take all that time and effort to create something and at the last second before finish. It breaks. That's heartbreaking. As an Artist at times, I know the feeling. Still yet. OH and I forgot to add to my comment below. I said I was into Chaco Canyon. THe Anasazi area said by Historians and Archaeologist that the Anasazi were long gone by the time the Dineh moved in. NOT TRUE. THe Dineh were in that area the last 2k+ yrs. The Anasazi were still there for the last 1k yrs of that 2k. The Dineh say so themselves. They have all the Anasazi's oral traditions, beliefs, customs, ceremonies etc.... The Anasazi came from the South and Mayan artifacts were found there. Many believe they were remnanat of disgruntled Mayans who left and went North. Teeth inlaid with idk...turquoise and Macaw feathers and complete skeleton was found. Those only come from down south. Trade could have been it sure, but according to the Dineh. The Anasazi were a diff. type of people than all the indigenous of N. America they'd come across. They met many many tribes as they made their way from the EAST. Historians say they came from elsewhere but the Dineh say always came from the East. The Holy People led them. Dineh say they saw the Big Rivers, crossed then and found a sea of grass (central USA -The Great Plains) where the made home and sent scouts out NW, W and SW. When they returned to tell what they'd found. The Dineh packed up and moved into the area they are now today. When they got there, other people were there. Fremont/cliff dwellers and Anasazi. The Anasazi were slave traders, into sorcery and witchcraft. Had strange beliefs, customs, diff. gods and were violent and turned to cannibalism. I won't tell the rest of the story. It's woo woo, and only Bible believers seem to actually believe them. A story from Oral tradition NOT TOLD TO OUTSIDERS, was told to Dr. Thomas Horn. He was allowed into the ruins that are closed off to the public. He was told the TRUE STORY OF CHACO CANYON and the Anasazi. It matches the Old Testament well. There were monsters in the land at one time.

That is amazing. I just googled it under images. There's a nice Tile design of some sort. It appears to be laying flat, but in tact (unless the archaeologist put it back together). I'm not far along in this video. I saw some tile looking things. I wasn't able to hear what it was. It's 4 am and can't turn the vol. up lol. The dating is going to be interesting. I have been trying to figure out where the Maya came from. I always kinda figured..descendents of Olmec. However, I've been on a Chaco Canyon Run lately and Dineh Navajo history and teachings etc....Archaeologist say ONE THING and the people themselves say DIFFERENT. I agree with the Dineh, being indigenous myself. Native American. Our history is always written by pardon my broad usage of this word(s) "white man" Europeans, outsiders....prob. better terms. Well they write our history without us or our input. NOW they are finding our oral traditions (all tribes) IS CORRECT. People don't understand Oral Tradition. It's not a game of telephone. Just as you know the lyrics to thousands of songs. It's the same difference basically. I love all the finds here. Intricate. What artists the Maya were. There are Native American effigy pipes, I think it was...found in one of the great mounds somehwere...a mining company broke into it first. Anyway, my point being. These effigies were very Olmec looking. They had men sitting, leaning fwd. like at La Venta or those stones found with men sitting inside. Similar to those. Olmec trading or maybe the Olmec migrated Northward into N. America. IDK... But this here is GREAT!

Thank goodness for critical thinkers. However, about an hour in YOU ARE WRONG. There was NO PEACE while the Anasazi existed in the area. More on that later. I know a lot about what Chaco was, and what took place there. They were SLAVE TRADERS/HOLDERS/USERS. They roamed the land finding people and taking them against their will and locking them up. THAT'S why ppl built in the cliffs. Cliff dwellers already existed over 2k yrs ago, but there's a diff. between those cliff dwellers and the ones during the time of the Dineh. Many of whom came down from their cliff dwellings and became Dineh. The Dineh were a very peaceful ppl, and had peaceful ways and what not. Some are very easy to spot, while many others had one way in, with the same way out, there was a small eyehole to look thru and see the entire valley below. Who is coming., and once in you pulled the rope or ladder up with you. (imagine being elderly, having a baby and doing this...) The Dineh have a story about that. Some of their people were taken hostage, confined and made to serve as slaves. They were rescued and brought home. Attacking or warfare always a was last option. I skipped the story as to how they got their ppl back on purpose. A quick search of the internet, and every single result regurgitates the same the same ole things. Anasazi mysteriously disappeared, their name means ancient enemy or enemy ancestor. WELL, No it does NOT ! The Dineh TRADED with and for the most part, got along with the Anasazi. They didn't war with them, but they did not agree with their ways. Eventually the Anasazi turned to sorcery, and witchcraft. ALL anyone had to do was ask the Dineh Navajo. Not the actual local indigenous. I saw the doc. where the elder denies cannibalism, how they were a peaceful ppl. Ya I laughed at that, b/c when confronted with the physical proof. With a look of shock in his eyes and that thousand yard stare, he suddenly says "well there's some memory about that time" but of course no elaboration. The Dineh say when the Anasazi entered the area FROM THE SOUTH, there were 2 types of giants already in that area. They enslaved the Anasazi and forced them to pay tribute and bring them food. When all the food was gone, and the giants were insatiable, they began to eat the people. Also because the Anasazi could not pay proper respects the giants wanted. They would just eat the people. Because they turned to sorcery and witchcraft, they brought a being thru a portal. Which is represented by the spiral petroglyph. This being could appear and did, whereever there is a spiral, it's representing a portal this being came thru. Wanna know where everyone went? Maybe he went down to Maya Land, looking for souls to steal. It has the form of a man, skin of a reptile, and two horns that wrapped around it's head like a halo. It would mindspeak the Anasazi, driving them insane, so much so that it caused them to eat their own children. AS YOU FOUND. They do have rock art drawings of this being, but it's off limits to the public. The Tribe hold the keys and it's very difficult to get in to see them. Some things remain sacred, but Dr. Don Mose Jr. let Dr. Thomas Horn in. He took a stick, began to chant and drew on the ground while chanting, he told this story that that starts off " There once was this time....this evil being with the power of mindspeak would come to Earth via a portal and terrorize the natives. IDC what YOU THINK, or anyone else thinks it represents. I got it directly from someone who would know! The Parks Dept. of course will not allow this story to be told. They have a narrative to keep, plus that's just too woo woo for them. The things is, this Dr. Thomas Horn is a Christian Man. The Dineh stories follow along with the Old Testament. Horn explained what he was doing, his expedition was doing. Going around the world, speaking with the elders of various indigenous peoples. Listening to their creation stories, flood stories, monster stories. The Nephilim of the Old Testament. It is believed that after the flood, they took up residence in the N and S America's. This is the time when those Civilizations began to fall apart, and several of which ....practice mass sacrifices of humans. The Anasazi being no diff. OH ya, they also MOCKED the GODS and for this, the Holy People sent the devil winds, hurricane force winds. It covered up everything with sand. The ppl dug out, but things were destroyed and it's not their way to continue using it, so those who survived the great cannibalistic time and the winds, made their way to the Dineh and other tribes. Most took their families and just went. Whatever happened, had to be better than what they barely lived thru. As stated, many sought canyons with very high cliffs to build a tiny tiny home, only comeing down for water, tend crops etc...mostly they sought out and joined the other local tribes. They didn't disappear, they assimilated. The Dineh have at least 1k yrs of Anasoza (correct pronunciation) history or their oral tradition, their creation story. The Dineh lived there while they were there and also after they left. They did not mysteriously disappear. If anyone would take 5 damn mins online, they could find this out. Dr. Don Moze Jr. 3rd generation medicine man for Dine Navajo knows all the Anasazi stuff. His grandfather taught him, and he his grandfather and his grandfather before him. IT goes back a long ways. Also, to the Dineh. A Generation is 102 yrs. NOt this modern 20 yrs. He said the spiral petroglyph represent a portal. Actually I could go back to when the Anasazi arrived in the land, as well as when the Dine Navajo arrived. They came from the EAST, unlike what professional ppl say. They have 2k yrs of oral tradition. It's not wrong. They arrived to their now location over 2k yrs ago and have remained. They hold the key and answers to the Anasazi and Fremont. I shall not tell it. It took prodding to get it out of Dr. Moze. He said it's too woo woo for the Parks Dept. so we do not share that part of oral history. White man thinks he knows our history, where we came from, and all that by looking at a few discarded items, old homes, trash middens and knowledge of when the settlers met the triable ppl. Or notes from some Friar's book. Yet, indigenous peoples history is always written without US and that is just wrong. The sazi came from the South. Dineh from the East and Fremont North.

Naughty (narcasistic..) leaders (origin in ?) who were religious, flamboyant, travelers/merchants. They (leaders) had knowledge of influence, outside contact, communication. In short they influenced, manipulated and controlled the lives of other groups assimilating them. Any large group of people can have good leaders go rouge for various reasons. Leaders ran with supporters or were removed with 'determination,. Virus disappeared and assimilated peoples regroup thumbing their nose at the past. Long story short... Tried city life 'Yuch!', They don't mention that type of life for fear others might find it interesting or exciting possibly... probably harmful. Would a human being do that to another. Lets not even whisper about 'that'.

The Middle preclassic needs more research 🎉