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Thank you for your comment. May note we keep a record of POI vs. POA. I don't think most of that info is relevant to you. Like all guns and ammo, you must do this test yourself. Each barrel is different; your weapon may not like the same ammo. POI will be different for you, as your rifling may start or stop in different spots, and your sight location is different. Therefore, your gun will absolutely test differently. This video shows why you need a Ransom Rest, how to use a Ransom Rest, and what you may reasonably expect out of your gun off-hand. We don't sell or specialize in videos. We are the original American Rifle and Pistol Rest company. We are the ones who invented and designed the tri-leg Rifle benchrest Rifle Master and the handgun testing machine. This video is to encourage you to get a Ransom Rest. The right and only way to test.

Some semi-autos do this, and the M&P is also notorious for that. As the trigger pulls and the slide locks up, the dot moves slightly, right before the gun goes off. Most IDPA competitive shooters using an M&P or similar models that have clearance in the slide note this in their hands as well. These are not match-grade guns. Slide slop and lock-up have a lot to do with this. Drives us and many IDPA USPA competitors crazy.

Thank you for the comment. And attention to detail. However, there are two things you may need to realize in our test procedures. #1 You can discount the first group. Although we measure this group in the video, the gun must settle into the machine. We do discuss this in the video. We also have that info in our manual. POA will deviate as the gun settles period. The gun will move during the first group. The gun must be settled into the machine. We did this test quickly, so we only did one settling group. The second group is the actual test group. #2 The POA shift during the second group (as the trigger is pulled) depends on the slide slop and fitment of the slide. Manly, this shift happens when the trigger gets pulled. The slide does and will shift as the trigger is pressed on some of these polymer guns. This is absolutely so for guns like the M&P or the Sig. You will note the POA move as the trigger is pressed right before the gun goes off. This is common in most polymers and is indicated on machine tests. Sure, some people don't notice this in their hands as much as most USPSA or IDPA shooters note this in their hands and discuss this often. Some platforms are more acceptable to this movement than others depending on their slide tolerances and lockup, especially with polymer guns. A lot of semi-autos are notorious for this. This is standard information in the competitive world, especially for M&P-style guns. This is why you see that dot move slightly as the trigger is pressed. May be tricking your eyes thinking POA shift. Slide fitment and poly flex trigger poundage all play a part in that. I know from your comment you may realize almost all of that. But keep in mind That's also why most bullseye shooters still run metal frame guns. Not polymer guns. Only a repeatable platform and test reveal this. We initially have our roots in bullseye 50-yard tests. And unless you are a competitive shooter who can note it off-hand, many of them exist. There are also many conversations with competitive shooters about how the POA changes in their hands right before the gun goes off. Drives them crazy. Thanks for the comment and note. You may not know, but please remember that we have done this since the 60s and are known as the industry standard for testing machines. used by all major gun manufacturers and the Military. In fact, no gun goes into service for the Military or DOJ without a Ransom Rest test. This is just a fast snippet video and test. You may even check out Accuracy X videos on RUclips with bullseye metal guns out to 50 and 100 yards in a Ransom Rest. That may help you understand what this does. Also, if you can hold any of these guns more accurately than we do here. Please please post a video of that. We would love to see it and watch it. We would give you a thumbs up, especially in real-world off-hand tests. For real-time shooting, please walk down the range and show us your group; please include what ammo you may be using. We love that info in real-time. I will leave you with this. The NRA magazine said that guns and ammo have gotten more accurate since Ransom invented the Rifle and handgun bench rests. NRA said they used to coin phrases like that man is a walking Ransom Rest. And as Whiley Clapp said, in guns and ammo, some say they can outshoot the Ransom, but I would love to see anyone outshoot a Ransom Rest. Once again, thank you so much for your comment, and I hope this helped you. Ransom Rest duplicates the human hand and is repeatable to the end user. We appreciate the feedback.

You make good points, but the same is true for Sig. The amount of hate for Sig is huge, too. We like all guns here at Ransom Rest, including our love for the FS Beretta 92s. Thank you for your comment. Please stay tuned, my friend, and keep that 92FS.

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Obviously. And I clearly said it right on video but seems they spelled it wrong when they uploaded video. To funny. Glad you caught it. Not sure if that was a spell check thing or a typo by team. But it happens. It is fixed.

@@Ransomrest yes it was said correctly in the video who ever proof reads dropped the ball to many people involved no control

Good question. That does make a difference. This one is .01

Where would you like us to post this chart at the beginning or the end? And question #2: what info would you like in the chart? Best group or ammo we used?

@Ransomrest if not an editing nightmare, the end would suffice. Load, ranges, and group sizes would be helpful in choosing ammo for this particular firearm. Hopefully, the demand for them is so high that S&W will begin to produce them regularly.

@@TheGunnyBadger03xx Thank you for your comment and hopefully you gave the video a thumbs up. so the good news is if you watch the video, it already has a chart with Ammo specs, group size and ammo load data for the handloads we used. These charts are at the end of the video. Also, If you watch the video, we try hard to mention what ammo for each group before we shoot it, and we tried to also call out ammo when we measured the group. Hope that helps. please like and follow us for more.

@@Ransomrest Embarrassingly enough, it appears I stopped the video a few seconds before you ended it and I now see the charts. I did watch the video and did remember seeing and hearing the info. Thank you for bringing the chart to my attention. Thumbs up for sure!

@@TheGunnyBadger03xx No problem, easy to miss and in perspective. I suppose we could have made it more visible or evident. We will continue to post chart data and do our best to improve the info given; we appreciate your input and value your comments. Please keep commenting. We appreciate it. And this improves our videos.

Noted. Let's see what we can do. 👍

The point is how to use the Ransom Rest and what you can expect from testing one of your guns. So, removing the test all together and the results would be better and faster video. Your right.