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Tug masters fault. You always approach sub on its port side. ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I get this was an accident. but, it's a sub. should've SUBmerged

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Why did they not order ‘all stop’ on the sub????

Перехваленый американский профессионализм во всей красе. Людей жалко.

and all the OOD had to do was order an all stop............................

Captain and officer of the deck should've face court Marshall

Perhaps 'There goes the mail' unprofessional when two poor souls perished on board!

The captain should have made sure the tug was away from the sub before leaving ..

Did they recover the 2 lost crew from the tug? I know it is in very deep water, but doesn't the navy have the capability?

Im no armchair sub commander or anything but it seems to me they should have just stopped the sub and made the transfer. Then this woukd have never happened. So can someone that knows a lot more than me explain why that wasn't done because i'd honestly like to know.

My father was a plank owner on georgia and i still remember "There goes the mail" and FU

Gringos inútiles!

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Cracking jokes while people die. God bless america ,they need it.

As a submarine nerd (civilian, and Navy brat) the amount of things that needed to go wrong for this to happen are astonishing. So much could go wrong and did go wrong here. Working at the air/water interface or water/seabed interface is extremely dangerous. Even if it was dead in the water, you’d think the tug would have at least tried to use a sea anchor to drift it out so that the LA-class submarine could pull away. They can’t turn for shit at slow speed and in 1986 I have no idea if it would have thrusters (but I assume yes). There are winches up forward for line handling and a bunch of ways this could have been prevented. Hindsight is 20/20 but what a shit show. I’m sorry for the loss of the tug’s 2 crew members that died as a result of this. Also, seagoing tugs are pretty hefty machines, kind of amazed at how little it took to sink her. I mean the way that thing was moving looked labored and way heavier than she appeared. The thing looks like it had major issues even before the thing got caught on the stern plane vertical stab, then sent into propwash, rudder deflection forces, and maybe more. Surprised to read that nobody was relieved of duty over this - I’ve heard of sub commanders and officers behind fired for less.

a free ride in a sub, nice, all it cost was one tugboat

Hey gene small were you on the USS Sarsfield DD 837?

I was stationed on USS Alabama in new construction…when we were coming back from sea trials we would go all stop at the mouth of the river and coast up to electric boat these guys do not turn on a dime. A tragedy for sure!

Was there bad damage to the stern plane?

What a crazy day at the office! I can’t imagine driving a boat up along side a sub like that in the first place I’d be freaking out! Then to have it sink my ass only for me to go jump in the ocean and climb on the sub like it’s a life raft. Holy shit Batman

Center of buoyancy and gravity not mean anything to the Tug Capt ?

RIP to the two in the engine room who didn’t make it out.

The words the Commanding Officer of the Georgia was looking for were “Full Stop”. It was not a time of war. When things went FUBAR he should have at least reduced the wash. I know you Navy guys are going to slam me but it was piss poor ship handling. The prop is astern of the rudder so it’s not like the prop wash was helping the turn. It only served to drive the stern plane deeper into the tugs hull. You’re being intellectually dishonest to continue to support the official version. Notice he ended up stopping anyway. 🙄

Too much aeration under the tug, from the sub propulsion.

Hoga: *Survives a barage of Aerial torpedoes and bombs* Secota: *literally gets caught in the diving rudder of a submarine and sinks* (This is meant to be a meme, i'm trying to not sound disrespectful of those 2 crew members who died-)

Sub just kept going ????wtf

Perfect example of "Naval Intelligence".

A similar situation happened when I was on the FLORIDA GOLD in 1996. We were transiting through the Panama Canal. We had just finished coming through one set of locks. I was in the bridge with the OOD and the CO. The tug had cast off and was trying to clear itself from our rear. As the bridge party was looking forward, we all held a hard “shudder”. My CO whipped his head around and looked aft and well as I did. Long story short, the tug didn’t get enough clearance and struck our stabilizer. We all watched the tug make a B-line for the shore and you could see the tug crew scramble for life jackets; which didn’t leave much to the imagination. We eventually turned the corner and the tug went out of site. But you could clearly see before we turned that corner that the tug was taking on water and was sitting very low in the water. Never got word of the outcome, but I’m certain that the tug sank near the shore.

I hope when he said "there goes the mail" that he didn't realize 2 men had gone down with the ship. If he didn't know, it's just a bit flippant. If he did know, it's kinda vile.

F* You to say the sub sank the tug.

My dad was a rescue swimmer that day on that sub. He saved 9 men's lives and received the Marine navy cross. His name is Ken Krotzer and he is now 74 years old living happily with my mom Diana in deer Island Oregon. He retired as a Master Chief after 23 years of service. He will always be my hero.

Why was there no radio contact between the two vessels that doesn't make any sense. Hopefully after this tragic event lessons were learned and this never happened again. Seems like it would have been pretty easy for the submarine to just stop. a problem would have been solved.

I wonder if it was hull damage, or being forced broad side against the wake, that made the tug sink? (Or both) The cam was just enough to the right, so I couldn't tell if the stern dipped below the surface. Scooping up more water than it could drain off or pump out in time.

Let's not do anything logical like stop or anything.

This is sad to see. They told us it would take 8 seconds for the tug to sink if the hull was breached. YTB-820 GTMO 1992-93⚓️

Did the tug boat get sucked into the subs propeller?

I was on this yesterday

I don't understand why the sub didn't ring down! A crash stop in emergency astern would have washed the tug off that plane.

What a f-ing tool, skipper of the tug. Dolt.

Damn, two men were stuck in the engine room . RIP

A tug transfer turns into a search and rescue mission.

How horrible. What a totally terrifying way to die.

wait why couldnt the sub just dive underwater?

Only the Yanks are that thick enough to sink one of their own boats lol ;(

I still don't believe that the sub and the tug were moving at the beginning of that video. If you look at nothing else but the water between the sub and the tug it's pretty obvious they were stopped. If they were underway the water would be flowing between them like a river, but it's not, the water is just sitting there. At about :34 seconds you can hear the order; "All ahead full, right full rudder." That was the mistake that made that collision possible. The sub went ahead while the tug was still in the zone where it could get caught in the stern planes. When you watch the part where they first look towards the stern of the sub you can see the big flurry of prop wash where the sub started moving. After that it picked up speed fast and the tug had no chance to get clear.

Good camera

Reason number 69 of why I joined the Army instead of the Navy.

And where they recording this during WWII also?

Why not just..stop..