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As work positioning (not personal fall arrest or partner belay device), I really like the safeguard for the compact size and positive lockup. Note that one of the disadvantages of locking off a device (or placing a knot below the device) is that you limit how much rope slippage can occur through the device. The device is designed to permit slippage as a load-limiter - rope slipping through (and absorbing energy) at high loads. Thus limiting this slippage can increase the load the device feels. Note, locking off a Safeguard is less of an issue since it's springless (vs the springful Petzl Grigri or Madrock Lifeguard). Sprung devices are more likely to slip when loading/unloading. Madrock's literature states that a brake hand should be on the rope at all times, and that users should not have a knot in the brake strand, as permitting rope to slip though the device is a load-limiting feature. So you will have to make your own decision. So bottom line is: yes, a cat knot and slip knot would work to limit how far one could unexpectedly slip - and how much the load is limited. I haven't been on a safeguard for a year or so, but I seem to recall that the half-hitch lock off also works. Regardless, I highly recommend doing your own testing if you go that route. I wouldn't use the half-hitch if the safeguard might be subjected to a fall (when belaying or roped soloing, for example). Grigris have been widely adopted by rock climbers, and these are just a few ways of securing the device when stopping. Although usually the Grigri will relock quickly if a small slip occurs, a small slip can have larger consequences - including turning into a large fall from a panic grab of the load strand or cam (especially on low angle terrain).

Thanks for the reply! I will be using the madrock for saddle hunting and feel all the examples you've shown will work great! Really like the half hitch lockoff!

You're welcome! I'm tired of long winded videos as well. Just needed something I could send folks when I was explaining it. Cheers.

Survive and thrive! Glad this was helpful.

You're welcome!

Yup, totally possible to have the brake strand against the spine, but I find it either a) sets the hitch up inverted or with excess slack (and thus causes sit-back when setting up as rappel) or b) is much harder to tie one handed. Since I almost exclusively use the monster munter on small diameter ropes, it is kinda irrelevant for my needs as well. Would love to see a video of how you do it though, I could definitely be missing something! (Monster munter/super munter works great for me when I rappel on single strand 8mm or 9mm ropes, my most common configuration. Lots of control, minimal rope twisting)

Looks like I learned a new colloquialism. Thanks for watching!

Lol. All hail the algorithm!

I always laugh that climbers have a Fisherman's bend, do you have a climber's hitch?

(Usually called the Grinner knot in monofilament)

@@TreeClimbsdotcom and I only learned that this know was called a munter hitch, and this week I learned bits name and been using it for well over a decade

Ha, thanks! Maybe I'll make one of those 10 minute videos where the presenter goes on about the history of the munter, why you might use it, "In this video you'll learn..." A shocked face in the thumbnail "I JUST DROPPED MY RAPPEL DEVICE!#%!" etc, etc. (just a reminder to anyone else watching that you can turn down playback speed as well, or use < or > keys to move frame by frame after pausing)

change the playback speed in your youtube settings. boom.

@h2oski1200 thanks, hadn't thought of that

Glad I was able to share something new with you!

Huh.

Thanks for watching!

Absolutely - it's not an everyday technique, but useful in an emergency situation where one end of your rope is stuck, and you need to repitch up or down to fix the problem.

The Munter hitch is used as a descent method for rappelling or belaying. The video demonstrates how to tie this hitch one-handed, already configured for rappel. This makes switching from ascent to descent (a changeover) easier than other Munter hitch methods.

Imagine you just cut your own arm off because it was trapped, and now you need to rappel with only one arm. But what are that odds of that?

@@thelikebutton3176 😂😂😂 yeah. You got maybe 1 minutes or 2

@@peacemaker54 unless your arm had been trapped for like, 127 hours.

Thanks for watching!

Love that you love it! Thanks for watching!

С языка снял!!! Удачи!

@@grandtch5 Взаимно.Крепких веревок.

It does not matter where the brake strand is located if you pay attention. The method shown is primarily for use on rappel and has three advantages: 1. forms the hitch in the correct orientation for rappel (no set back / sit back) creating more efficient changeovers, 2. places the brake strand of a super munter against the spine - my preferred rappelling method as it provides additional control, minimizes heating of the carabiner, and reduces twist in the rope. 3. significantly easier to tie than one that would place the brake strand against the spine (for the basic munter hitch), while still keeping the hitch oriented for rappel (see Point #1) Thanks for watching!

Glad this is helpful!

Thanks!!!

Glad you liked it!

Thank you, cheers!

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Yeah buddy - I'm getting back to climbing and looking forward to learning from you again!

Glad you liked it!

You're welcome!

I'm glad I could help!