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@@cmleong3759 the one from hand happens first, so that is the action you should follow :3 Malice goes to soul if it was from hand. Overcoming goes to bind if used from hand

@@GGMrRogers came back from the grave XD

@@ZorgaVS hope to see u at bcs again!

@@GGMrRogers ofc! Im rdy to fight and meet friends again!

@@leonflow i do like it aswell! Next set if shojo drops, we can add malice back. Its just there is too many removals now and it becomes hard to use. I use reg+malice on my masque builds tho, and its amazing!

@@StromBurst 4 rpds is 100% better vs every MU, but for shojo, who puts cards back into deck, having a way to grab those cards back from deck is good. Karma can be found via habitat, so in case they put rpds or karmas back to deck, you can use habitat that turn and try to find 1 of the karmas. Running 4 rpds is strong, but if they put it back to deck, you cannot fix the issue by using habitat that turn. However you can still try to find extra dragons (because they are karmas) by using habitat. Then you call over it before battlephase and karma comes back from drop. Rpd is still stronger and gains crit going 1st so you definetely want to max on that card, but because of doji the 3-2 split works because you can emergency find the beater from the deck by scrying 7, if you have karmas left in deck. Karma is VERY BAD every other single time, because it doesn t gain crit going 1st, so i would not run more than 2 either

@@StromBurst so, short to speak, what is good here is the fact karma is revived in battlephase, not during alchemagic, vs doji in particular

@@dylangoh1351 black magics is also a good card to run. The problem with it is that i feel you need to run 4 hh or you cannot guarantee it won t clog. When i tried 4 hh however i had no space for coutir and i could not find my orders some games, so i just thought i would use sweets instead. Sweets its also nice because it thins the deck a bit and because it can be used with just 1 hh it feels solid. Black magics is good if 4 hh are in the deck tho (it can still clog, but chances are more slim). I guess i do not like the chance of black magic not working but the card is good! As for gather upon me, sadly we need to sack a bit. The crit is needed to win so having acces to a good drive check turn seems valuable. You can still wib just by using sweets but i feel maxing the chance on kill turns is nice. It is also another good order for turn 2 to push more

@@dylangoh1351 the pgs are basicly a greedy thing. If the meta does ONLY have decks with a lot of multibattle you cab afford run less, but then you are at risk of not having them vs mirror MU or impauldio etc. Can 3 pgs be done? Yes, but its risky based on how the meta is looking like. Rancor is good, but it is a bit bricky with preordained so i would play rancor-husk or fishing-preordained. Is not that rancor doesn t work, is that is not as good without philander. Once the removal meta has passed, we can include philander again but now the card is not amazing and you have to draw it on initial turn for rancor to be good.

@@shalweezy9751 yeah :3

@@JGhostie seems like a good filter in combination of overcoming! This way you keep drawing dragons aswell!

@@ZorgaVS Yeah. ATM I took him out because I felt like he wasn't as consistent as I'd like, but I may put him back if I swap my deck around again. I think a card like him is great, but I wish he was like draw 2 discard 1 and could be called from anything. It's really frustrating how Bushiroad keeps restricting card effects in Stoicheia to being called from the hand or in other specific ways. What was the point of giving Nadir a call 2 skill if we can't get effects???

@@JGhostie yrah they definetely could give some of those cards on call from drop habilities!

thank you! :3

@@kevinmark1134 mistakes were made! XD

@@JGhostie what card is it?

@@ZorgaVS Sorry, I didn't see this! It's a grade 2 rear guard. Its effect is that you counter blast 1 and bind a normal order from drop zone. Then it gain +5k attack for each grade of the order bound.

@@JGhostie i see! Thanks for anwsering :3

@@animepower1300 yeah makes sense! The meta is based arround removals a lot so what you are doing looks good :3 i rly like the removals atm!

@@Austin_AW if malice was used, the order from hand goes to soul (unless its overcoming) :3

@@clement6520 discord.gg/gXP8H64R There you go :3

hi, im the owner of the build HAHA. Regurgitation is a really powerful late game card that lets you kill any of ur opp's rgs to revive two of the same grade. In most scenarios, I use it to pop one of their key g1s to revive a booster (trudeliese) and a pg for cloak to bounce. The key for playing simply 2 pgs is that you trust in the blitz and triggers in your hand to be enough guard through sheer value (hence 13 different orders) and recursion value of bouncing pg each turn!

also for nectar, its simply because not only is it not divine zorga name locked, its more flexible in making three huge numbered lanes instead of just two, while confirming that you have two 2 crit hitters on ur divine turn even without karma/dragon

@@wessleytjahaja3761 Wow! I am honoured to be speaking with the creator of the list hahaha. It must be surreal seeing me ask about your exact list on a random youtube video haha. I genuinely could not figure out why you made those unusual choices. I am wondering, don't you run into consistency issues running only one copy of key units? It must be difficult trying to pull together a consistent game plan when you have no idea what tools you will have in your drop zone. Thank you for sharing!

@@wessleytjahaja3761 Also, why Masque? Is it for the persona ride +cont skill to get 20k to the whole front row for more pressure after the divine skill turn?

@@timmalcrov8876 exactly. well said

@@aegismk2 shadow feels a bit less important in nadir but i think its good regardless. The deck is not automaticly aggro until you rly focus the build on it with cards like mushroom etc unless the list is rly rly rly aggro, shadow should stay imo :3

@@luisjauregui7416 malice from hand-) it goes to sould Overcoming from hand-) goes to bind The trick is to resolve 1st the 1 from hand and do what the card says :3

@@luisjauregui7416 i think overcoming t2 is pretty good going 1st but not as required going 2nd. Thr important thing is to havd 10k power for tempo and this can be accesed from playing miasma aswell. As 2nd, if you see you will pg t3, you can focus on miasma more as you can put it in hand again.

It also depends on alana and malice. Sometimes you cannot spam a lot so you don t have to overcoming as agresively.

@@luisjauregui7416 as for match ups, i think rezael can be solved by controling the ammount of dmg they have. If they are not on hostage, they need 3 t3, so keeping them at 2 and attacking rears is rly good. Then lock them at 4 and don t give the 5.

@@gallowsspecter ofc! discord.com/invite/ku4JvWPm There you go :3

@@gallowsspecter yeah! I usually post on twitter. You can ask for lists in the discord aswell :3 The most common list is pure zorga, something as: Rancor+husk 3 nadir 4 rpd 4 shadow 4 pg (unit) 4 coutir 3 philander 1 karma (or just go ahead with 4 philander) 1 ladder/doll/chalice 1 miasma 1 malice 1 sweets 1 habitat 1 restrain 1 overcoming 1 toxins 2 abolishment for sins You can also brew some lists mixing with masque aswell, but the one above is the most standarized and works well :3

been trying out zorga on a simulator and watching you to learn about it

@@visir7532 you can alchemagic it again. It will count as having alchemagiqued and dragons etc happen. However, the skill of the whole alchemagic (both orders) will be nullified and not skill will occur

@@visir7532 im happy to hear! Enjoying the deck so far? :3

@@ZorgaVS yeah I like it a lot, definitely one of my faves out of the fated 7

@@visir7532 same jeje

@@jonyfba how did i pronounce it? Jaja

@@carlofrancisco8541 discord.com/invite/kZwUb9tj There you go :3

@@ZorgaVS ty so much!

@@carlofrancisco8541 welcome to discord!

@@CHIMMURA8325 i did! I had some tecnical issues and fixed the video :3 Sorry if you could not finish watching it earlier :(

@@AquaStyles discord.com/invite/NW7GDTvm there you go!

@@ZorgaVS thx

@@Austin_AW yeah! I might do a video about it soon: 3 nadir 1 masques 4 rpd 4 shadow 3 philander 2 coutir 2 cow 2 keel 4pg 1 mask 1 doll 1 freeze 1 miasma 1 malice 1 habitat 1 overcoming 1 black magic 1 blitz

@@dylangoh1351 thank you for pointing it out! Lately ive been trying to put the camera slightly more far so you have a better view of it. Lets keep working on that :3

@@gameguru42392 because this version runs keel. There is no space for everything :3 shooter is a nice card, specially on pure versions!

@@iango8311 tbh im focusing on masques to beat stride decks but im not using any cardmyself. Since stride decks are strong, im using more copies of keel to have a better pairing against them! Overall nadir is a huge buff for the deck and pairs with masques rly well!

@@ZorgaVS Thanks! Do you run 1 of zorga masque, masque order, keel and token generator/order retriever or did you change the ratios?

@@iango8311 im running 1 masque 1 zorga masque 2 keel and 2 bist ayatvas :3

@@ZorgaVS What is your ideal turn sequence like? Would you do divine skill turn 3 and hope to kill them with masque turn 4?

@@iango8311 it depends on MU. That is certainly true for stride decks, where you come from a g2 game/hard rush. Sometimes you will do masque t3, then re ride nadif and masque again t4. In those games you don t divine at all. Vs divine decks you can afford holding divine until t4 and focus on farm a bit more because once they use their divine you are already safe. You keep spaming masques from there until they die. Going 1st masques is a t5 play, so it comes up less often

@@jonyfba i guess it is X//D

@@KeroP_ hi! I played 4 games. Since i use masques i can ignore all the shojodojis downsides. It can bottdeck dragons but with masque im rly fast and they do not rly have a handsize and lose relatively soon. That being said, shojo doesnt have a handsize and can struggle surviving vs you even if you scale a bit slower. They can happen to farm your hand up if they choose to send the orders to dropzone aswell, so i think overall is an interactive MU to play out. Id say it depends a bit on going 1st if you are on a pure version :3

@@Guillotinegamestcg i do not run karma :3 i have enough cb so im just using the cb cost for braveshooter

@@bernardogouveia8450 oh! I enjoyed playing vs you aswell! Hope we have another oportunity to play this season :3

@@ZorgaVS thinking of going to Spain again this year! Let’s play again :)

@@bernardogouveia8450 looking forward to it! This time it will be against nadir jeje

@@ZorgaVS eheh I’ve seen it! Been playing with nadir as well, love the new combos! Still deciding which deck I’ll use this time but thinking about Eva, been loving her new support ☺️

@@fazzalexiam6572 yeah! You can definetely run it! For me, the core orders are: 1 miasma 1 overcoming 1 malice 1black magic 1 habitat 1 ladder/doll Then you can add 2 orders of your choosing :3

As for pure, i think this is pretty much it. The only changes i can see for now are -2 shooter and +1 karma +1philander but i think this is how i will play nadir as pure. Im also toying with new hibrid versions! I will make more videos about funky lists soon UwU

@@ZorgaVS I'm currently on two spoof shade two karma two Philander lol. I like going full aggro and hitting 50k columns turn 3. The 4 Coutir tech is really nice tho.

@@antonypistachio5476 well, coutir is good for tempo and toolboxing but other cards create some other kinds of viable strategies :3

@@ZorgaVS Like what? I am curious

@@ZorgaVS Also how many orders are you on

discord.gg/SuD9CXu3 there you go!

Hellow! That is usually the case. However, overcoming was used on the alchemagic so the order from hand gets bound. Overcoming is the best card to turbo bind now, as it both accelerate the deck and farms handsize :3 I realised it gets confusing on videos to know what orders im using so i will make it more clear in the videos to come so it gets easier. (Sometimes im confused aswell when im commenting the videos lol)

For the baliard, i was playing eins because i like the card and i was hiddenly playing dvbt01 jeje but yeah baliard is 100% being added next set. As for the other stuff, i agree :3 there were some wacky plays arround freiheit

Ah, i didn t know i could not use it on doggo. That makes it a bit worse!

Ah, i didn t know i could not use it on doggo. That makes it a bit worse!

Also thank you for your comments! Its always a pressure to read them and comment back :3

im having problems recording that because we miss some of the cards T.T ive been trying a lot to make it. Since im struggling a bit, i think i will try to give you a writen anwser you can use in the mean time :3 another thing that makes me struggle is that there is 2 shiranui. Prefestcole, the deck is very easy to handle both as masques (you win with playstyle) and nadir (you ladder preoboro and win). However, this changes a bit after festcole because the deck becomes very fast (and i don t have people to play against that version XD) Let's stay in the present for now: Masques: You ask them if they have a gzone and ideally, you go second. I think going second it gets easier because the normal gameplan usually wins before oboro. lets focus on going 1st. The thing with going 1st is that it gets tricky. if you are well positioned, you want to stay on g2. if the hand is powerful, you may be able to recall dragons but even if you do not, just doing boosted 13k the turn after calling is fine. Remember you can call 2 g1s t1 to deny shenry aswell if you so happen to not have an order to activate turn 1. nadir: with nadir, on the other hand, you always want to go 1st, because the deck is rly strong t4. You want to grind overcoming as soon as t2, and get blitz order, as it rly mitigates the multiattack strenght. usually, they cannot kill you with maguntenbu on their 1st stride turn, so what you wanna do is tank that turn trying to stay arround 3/4, staying on a safe spot where you might also deny some heals or cheese your own and you do then ladder on your turn 4, so they cannot play. you will usally not kill here, but then they do not get to play, you survive and kill t5. there is no reason to worry about going second, because they shouldn t know you are playing Zorga. (That being said, i think Nui is getting more favored as a going 1st deck the most time keeps passing lol). being honest, this should remain the same even with rivali on the picture, because they should still not kill you with you play it like that, but it might get a bit harder. I can imagine maguntenbu 1st stride being strong now with the new rush engine so we wanna watch out for that Hope this helps. I wish i could record the video a bit faster. My community needs to catch up with the incoming releases a bit jeje

@@ZorgaVS tks a lot for the advice. Honestly I’m playing jp format so it’s post ban with fes col support. Shiranui is not only quite fast now but more tanky than u think. With bolvis, energy cyclers, shenryis, tengen, they all help u draw cards. When I test with it, I can choose to draw to the point of near deck out and even outlast zorga’s offense even with ladder played so very spooky

@@dylangoh1351 yeah, definetely, we are not killing turn 3/4 anymore, but i think having acces to a 5th turn with ladder can make a difference, but i guess i will only know after trying it :3 i cannot wait to have the cards and start recording!

Oh true! It doesn t matter most of the time because he gets called over anyway XD but thanks for pointing it out! (It is suddenly so cool we can consider this as hollow tbh)

This is a good point tbh. Also later on, the stack of known bottom cards can be huge so that is a lot of intel aswell

This one is 100% pure. In the future i will also be playing other diferent versions with masques aswell :3

actually, i haven't! do you have a link to the list? sounds interesting :3

​@@ZorgaVSits on vgparadox website, there's like 3 lists that are quite different from the usual nadir list, hmu if u seen it already! 😁

there you go :3 discord.gg/aG2N2ubk

I think sometimes you just need to draw cards. Like, if you do not have pgs for exemple. I believe sometimes you would draw more instead of pressuring (however i do not remember if that is the case in those games) When i play welstra i try to do a lot of max for more pressure, but sometimes you do still need to draw. Im not sure if that was the case here

The g3 was rly dramatic jaja

Yeah i agree. Krysrsin works mainly against decks she can kill fast. Im pretty sure zorga survives and kills after. Krysrain can find pgs fast but i think she is very likely to die after using the divine

No problem! Questions are welcome! 1) Ladder: in masques you need doll to find the zorga and the persona ride. Gameplay wise, the deck beats the decks without using ladder, so there is no actual need for the card 2) Shadow: it procs after the costs are paid. The card doesn't say it you need to have them on any location (drop, rear...etc...). You can resolve it because it was already triggered and there is no conditons on where it has to be. 3) shiranui: you try to go second. If you go 1st, g2 game is rly efective. They usually die before being able to oboro. I will record that game i think! Since i haven t been able just yet!

@@ZorgaVS this was a nice short and concise read thanks again. Excited for nadir and I like your idea of using masq for better first g3 turn.

@@zexrom1297 tbh, i feel nadir is designed taking masques into account. Nadir improves masques for many reasons: -better t3 (you can call 5/10k stronger boosters or intercept with shadows/guard with cows and call them again. You can even force a pg 1 turn earlier and call it. -with masques, you can use nadir as recursion - nadir is bad t3, but with masques you use nadir and still hit huge I think nadir is a bit slow intendedly. They mix rly well

@@zexrom1297 tbh, i feel nadir is designed taking masques into account. Nadir improves masques for many reasons: -better t3 (you can call 5/10k stronger boosters or intercept with shadows/guard with cows and call them again. You can even force a pg 1 turn earlier and call it. -with masques, you can use nadir as recursion - nadir is bad t3, but with masques you use nadir and still hit huge I think nadir is a bit slow intendedly. They mix rly well

Hellow! truth be told, zorga masques is perfect as it is jeje im playing the same list as always and it do feel very strong (Honestly, i competes perfectly into everything in current meta and i plan on taking it to bsf france) Post dvt02 i will make an update talking about how Nadir can also improve Zorga masques, if you do still like it over Nadir, and ofc, more Zorga Nadir content will be comming in the future :3 (Sorry for taking me 3 years to reply )