Bob's Experiments
Bob's Experiments
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ZT-703s oscilloscope bug
200ms "rolling mode" shows correct behavior, but 100ms "single-trigger mode" shows the bug.
Somehow, the oscilloscope misses the second pulse only when it occurs on the right half of the display!
Fixing this probably requires new firmware (I see this bug on both firmware versions 1.3.8 and 1.4.2).
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Видео

"Shorting Make-Before-Break" Rotary Switch - Part 2/2: Improved but Not Perfect
Просмотров 662 месяца назад
C&K Switches A10015RSZQ V2 (V1 tests are in a previous video) This improved switch is much better, but still occasionally breaks (momentarily, to an open circuit) in the clockwise direction. The reverse counter-clockwise direction, on the other hand, was perfect (for a total of about 50 toggles, only a few of which are shown in this video). I would guess other manufacturers are similarly imperf...
"Shorting Make-Before-Break" Rotary Switch - Part 1/2: Why is this breaking open?
Просмотров 514 месяца назад
C&K Switches A10015RSZQ This is a Shorting Make-Before-Break (MBB) switch. But, at some point of time when switching just between 2 and 3, both 2 and 3 get simultaneously opened from A. Why?
Neglected and noisy 10V reference
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2 x 9V batteries Analog Devices LT1236-10 10V reference Tyler Richard 5000x LNA Zeeweii DSO2512G oscilloscope 35uVpp noise in 0.1~100 Hz (4ppm, though 1ppm is normal) no improvement after re-soldering Should this be considered flicker or popcorn noise? Is there any difference? Please leave a comment if you understand this, thank you!
Air capacitor discharge noise: radon, alpha particles, ions, oh my
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3 x 3.7V Li-ion batteries 3 x copper plates charged to /-60V teflon supports Analog Devices ADA4530 500 Tohm electrometer opamp aluminum foil shielding Tyler Richard 5000x LNA Zeeweii DSO2512G oscilloscope 800uV "ion cloud" capture every 5 seconds from radon gas (and progeny) less than 20uVpp 60 Hz ripple if shielded well (depending on home wiring)
9V alkaline battery noise
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12 x 9V batteries (Energizer EN22) Tyler Richard 5000x LNA Zeeweii DSO2512G oscilloscope 2uVpp/12 (per battery) 60 Hz ripple (depending on home wiring and shielding) plus ~0.2uVpp/sqrt(12) noise in 0.1~100 Hz (0.006 ppm)
3.3V supply noise
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9V battery 2 x Analog Devices LT3042 3.3V supplies (CJMCU 3042) Tyler Richard's 5000x LNA Zeeweii DSO2512G oscilloscope 15uVpp/sqrt(2) noise (per LT3042) in 0.1~100 Hz (3ppm)
10V reference noise
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2 x 9V batteries Analog Devices LT1236-10 10V reference Tyler Richard 5000x LNA Zeeweii DSO2512G oscilloscope 10uVpp noise in 0.1~100 Hz (1ppm)

Комментарии

  • @juhaszpeter4796
    @juhaszpeter4796 11 дней назад

    Yes. There is a small bug at 50 and 100ms. With a single trigger, the wave is not completely saved, or we only see more on the display than what is in the memory. 20ms is already good. and a bug where if you capture a signal with single trigger, I press the hold/save button to capture a signal again, it doesn't always stay in single trigger mode. switches to AUTO, if I press MENU and navigate to where the trigger settings are, it switches to Single again. This part may be a bit incomprehensible.

  • @juhaszpeter4796
    @juhaszpeter4796 12 дней назад

    This video does not prove anything, the trigger is on the left side, you cannot see that the device triggers on the second pulse. drag it to the center and see if one is lost. such an error is also present in several cheaper devices. Fnirsi is much worse, and even my Owon sometimes misses it. try it in high speed mode. It says the trigger is above 10Hz in the description...

    • @bobuhi
      @bobuhi 12 дней назад

      I don't see how you can call this expected behavior. The scope is supposed to display the next second after the first rising edge, but it does not show the second pulse at all. I think the 10Hz spec is only for "AC coupling", but I am using "DC coupling". By the way, my other oscope shows both pulses correctly, both in "rolling mode" and "single-pulse mode".

    • @juhaszpeter4796
      @juhaszpeter4796 12 дней назад

      @@bobuhi I notice with my own mushers, Fnirsi 1013d, fnirsi DHO108H, Fnirsi 2c53p, Owon HDS272s v3, Zoyi 703, and sigpeak, that it does not trigger the fast edge well in slow time base, and sometimes it misses. It could also be that you missed the first pulse and triggered the second one. I think this is due to low memory and slow sampling. As far as I know, AC/DC coupling only means connecting a capacitor in series with the input, through which the signal blocks the DC components. It has nothing to do with the trigger. After I go home from my work I will test, and try to figure out why

    • @bobuhi
      @bobuhi 12 дней назад

      One more thing. The video only shows 250ms and 500ms pulse separation, but I also looked off-video between these two limits (like 450ms). The oscope then truncated the second pulse right at the half-way time point. In other words, two pulses show on the oscope, but the second pulse was shorter than reality, so this truly is buggy unexpected behavior where the right half of the screen just gets zeroed. I didn't get those tests on video because I control the pulsing with the same camera phone that took the video.

    • @juhaszpeter4796
      @juhaszpeter4796 11 дней назад

      @@bobuhi I had some time to deal with it. I noticed that the retrigger time at 100ms is approx. 4 seconds. If the next pulse is within this, it will only trigger on the second pulse, it will not see the first. This could be a setup error or a physical limitation of this scope. If you use a normal trigger and bombard it with e.g. 1, 2, 3 Hz pulses, you will see the time elapsed between the two triggers. Do not think that the wave outside the screen is real, it is possible that it is some kind of memory garbage. I tried to find out, if I sweep a signal, what is the width of the memory at 100ms/Div, that is, how many seconds. The result was always different. Unfortunately, you can rotate all the data in the memory as many times as you want, it is not limited like with an Owon. There, if you reach the end or the beginning of the memory, it stops. It has a display bug where part of the wave looks narrower, but when I zoom in on it, the width is fine. At least that's how it worked for me. I understand that it's fine for you on other scopes, it's the same for me, it's fine on my larger scopes and Owons as well. But not on the Fnirsi and this ZT-703. Here, re-triggering takes time and sometimes it misses you. I tried with a faster time base and with pulses, I wanted to capture the start of my signal generator with a single trigger, and I noticed that it did not trigger on the first pulse, but even on the 5th pulse. I also wrote that you should try it so that the trigger time is in the middle. or at least set it so that the two pulses fit on the display even if it triggers the second one. I don't consider this a software bug because I've seen it on several smaller scopes, even with Owon, which is not a low-end one.

  • @mikehibbett3301
    @mikehibbett3301 4 месяца назад

    Fascinating, thank you. My family are from South Wales in the UK, and Radon gas leaking into basements was considered a big issue in the 1970s & 80s, and work was done to install air extractors to counter it.

  • @mikehibbett3301
    @mikehibbett3301 4 месяца назад

    Could it not be cosmic rays? Or is your location known for Radom gas?

    • @bobuhi
      @bobuhi 4 месяца назад

      Yes, my location is known for radon, and I've tested the radon multiple times with results ranging from 1 to 4 pCi/L. I'm sure a strong enough cosmic ray could ionize my room's air also, but that level/type of cosmic radiation is not normal (if a cosmic ray did this in my room, it would have left an ion stream along its entire path through the atmosphere to get here, and I would bet the required power from space then gets far larger than we normally observe).

  • @sodium.carbide
    @sodium.carbide 4 месяца назад

    interesting..

  • @1kreature
    @1kreature 4 месяца назад

    At these measurements you are picking up your fiwi etc as well. Need shielding. Put everything in a faraday cage (metal or fine mesh box) hooked up to outside via a coax and plug that into meter.

  • @them2545
    @them2545 4 месяца назад

    Marco reps also has a video where he plugs a 9volt into a low noise amplifier. ruclips.net/video/XpbDMo8an5w/видео.htmlsi=O4Uxpb18PDNzSQky

  • @marshallsober
    @marshallsober 4 месяца назад

    geez its quite enough to mess with a transistor gate isnt ? Lt3042 i think i have these chips in the big packaging they came in a Big must have chips kit i ordered, the bigger chips with the normal stuff it need to get going and all that soldered onto a strip of perfboard to insert it in shrink i would tend to think the bigger chip set up would be more protected from noise

  • @DRISMO
    @DRISMO 4 месяца назад

    these simple stuff are interesting BTW you got a sub :)❤

  • @bobuhi
    @bobuhi 4 месяца назад

    I said internal battery resistance was "maybe 1 ohm per battery" in the video, but later measured 20 ohms per battery. These batteries even have some effect (chemical process?) where their resistance grows to more like 40 ohms after ~10ms when already close to full (I am charging half the batteries, but just a little, with this anti-series measurement method). Anyway, more resistance allows 60 Hz to enter with even less needed capacitive-coupling to mains.