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I detest Gary and tend to get them out of the way ASAP. It's a fun side-game in between my $taxxxing.

Where would you slot a politics focused deck?

Comboplayers are allways the biggest threath, since you have too little information. They could win from nowhere, at sny time

As a rat player I definitely a battle combo Barl.

I really do not think you should be playing Heartless Summoning as it is a non-bo with many of your token creators like Adeline Resplendant Cathar, Elendra the Duskrose, Elenda and Azor, and Hero of Bladhold. Leyline of Sanctity seems out of place in this deck as well. 4 mana just to not be targetable, does not seem to support the Knights' plan. Since you are playing Haakon Stromgald Scourge, I recommend Crib Swap and Nameless Inversion as reusable removal spells that can be cast from the graveyard when Haakon is in there. Wonder is quite easy to get into the graveyard with Sidar's Eminence ability and should be added to give all your Knights flying.

Im a solitaire Sara

I am combo carl and the biggest threats are the voltron victor and/or the stax stanley.

I’m sometimes milling sometimes battlecruising but the one closer to what I do is combo carl I guess even tho I don’t ever play infinite combos but I do like to win out of nowhere with a OTK

If a combo player has 2 cards in hand and someone else has 10 cards in hand and CANT interact with simple creature combo in ANY way, then they shouldnt be playing in a pod with combos.

Always Stax. I can lose, but at least I want to play in game, which stax guy is making hard

If there “isn’t a combo Carl” in your playgroup, you are the combo Carl

I'm a textbook Battlecruiser Barry

Lmao, dude I know exactly who you're talking about with some of these😂

I'm mostly battle cruiser myself, endless value engines and armies. I hate combo carls and stax

and then there's Tergrid Terry, ready to ruin everybody's day

As the grouphug player with minimal wincons in my group, i don't blame them when I'm considered the threat. Turns out fast decks don't like when the slow decks get free ramp from me.

I don't have a problem playing/against these cards in casual but I think a bigger issue is people don't pull punches at casual tables if they do have higher power cards.

You forgot mentioning cEDH Cesar. The guy who brings a tank to a knife fight. What about Proxy Roxy? (Edit)

What about Lil Bean Benny - they seem unassuming at first but become a threat because people think they're smol beans Side note - I need that jojo proxy of kynalos and tiro of meletis

Im non of these players and it cant be copied based on how i do things irl. Which is scorched earth and i counter everything possible without counter spells

I try not to remove Commanders unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary. Reason: they ALWAYS come back. Being perfectly honest, Stax is the playstyle that has the most of my ire (especially Brago). Mill is bad to the extent that I now have to focus on recycling (which many of my decks do) instead of drawing into answers and removal. My own playstyle is more of a battlecruiser with group hug thrown in. I do admit that I love running a mill deck if I have to go against stax.

Oh no, it's Vultron Victor what do I... I cast Baleful Strix

Have this in my will, scion of peace. Would make a great commander i thought too! Nice build

yo this is a boring deck, remember edh is a casual format, do less protection spells and focus on your deck having fuel and win cons, you should never stall out and building a dreadnaught should not be the goal, the goal is to end the match while letting others play.

Yet more counterpoints... MLD: mass land destruction is absolutely fine in an environment where massive land ramp and mana doubling is prevalent. I commented about something similar to this on your last video on this topic, about Dockside Extortionist, pointing out that other players should be careful not to overextend themselves. Stax: we've all played in a pod where that one player gets slowed down just enough to keep from going off. Stax is a time management thing, as long as you don't overdo it. Combat buys time directly from other players, Stax buys time from the game, itself. Mass Discard: players are still seeing their cards, and have time to utilize at least some of those resources. If you're not going with a hard Narset lock, there are options. Board wipe tribal: board wipes are good in small numbers, but Grave Pact and Martyr's Bond effects are repeatable, indiscriminate removal, and do what you're looking to do with a wrath, if you can outrun the other permanent generators at the table. It can also save you from having your whole plan wrecked if you play it into a Teferi's Protection. As previously stated, having a board state is a privilege, not a right. If you can't keep it, you don't deserve to have it. We're no longer living in an age of bad precons and moderately-powered sets, so why are we rolling up to commander pods with our kid gloves on? Things need not be hyperefficient, but style, and swinging for the fences, matter. Broken toys make for better forethought in deckbuilding, all around.

What the fuck is casual play what you want stop being bitches. Every card has a way to be stopped run more removal then.

Agree with your list Plus : 1-2 cmc tutors 0-1 cmc mana rocks Free interaction The one ring Gaeas cradle Sylvan library Demonic consultation / Thassas oracle Ad nauseam Tainted pact Cards that prevent interaction like grand abolisher , ranger captan of eos, silence I don’t believe that a single one would remove your deck from the list of casual But they indeed push the power level

here are a few thoughts 1. these are cards that are staples in their colors 2. if the card is legal to play in edh....play it 3. play interaction/responses to these cards 4. play better. 5. burgeoning isn't even a cEDH card.

Of the cards in this video the only one i wouldn't put in a casual deck is Faerie Mastermind. All the other ones i have no problems with, but mastermind in mist cases is just a vanilla 2/1 in casual, it may block some flying damage but it will very rarely actually draw a card unless you pay 4 into it.

The 3w cost of smothering tithe makes it not worth it to me. By the time you have enough mana to cast it, it's almost irrelevant. Huge card draw is not a feature of every casual game, so utility goes down in casual. Every game ive ever played it, its benefit was marginal. I stopped running it in my selesnya deck bc it just didnt give enough value to justify continuing to have it. So i disagree with that one.

Just be proxy friendly and play what you want. Trying to rule Zero or be casual with it doesn’t work for commander.

Saying dockside is too much but Jeska’s Will is fine is wild. And that’s really the problem. Everyone measures cards differently.

I do not like the idea that you have to exclude "x" card(s) to be considered casual. Casual is really a subjective term to the types of decks in a playgroup. If everyone is playing optimized, then no one is at an advantage and it feels like a casual game of magic. It is one thing to not know something exists because you are new to the game and format. However, at a certain point just refusing to play certain cards to remain "casual" is kind of just dumb. Most people are opening up to the idea of proxies. I get not everyone has hundred to thousands of dollars to put into real copies of cards, but it isn't hard or expensive to make a functional proxy to run. I find a lot more people who move into the "competitive" side find it more fun than the "casual" side. The games have more interaction. Games don't end in a feels bad situation because people felt like they had no chance to begin with.

I know you didn't name it in your top 5-I just saw it in your thumbnail-but opposition agent really isn't a game breaking card in casual. In fact, you'll rarely ever get value out of its ability unless your opponents are all playing tutors or fetchlands. It does shut down ramp, but that's pretty necessary when opponents are playing huge bombs like Scion of the Ur Dragon, for example. When you're playing a deck that's 1 to 3 colors and not green, your only methods are to either slow down their plan or board wipe. Having your deck filled with boardwipes is far more toxic gameplay than playing cards that just slightly even the playing field, I'd argue.

My battlecruiser deck is the Sixth Doctor/Romana2. Last time I played I made 4 Komas... ;p

I'm a Group Hug Gary because when I play combo I'm instantly targeted. Vazi, Keen Negotiator Bjorna, Wernog, Lurrus Jon Irenicus Norin the Wary Are my gotos. When I want to win, it's Slicer, Hired Muscle Drafna, Founder of Lat-Nam Elenda and Azor

Months of playing with fun casuals. Then suddenly an idiot with massive control. Time for “Oops, all Counterspells!”

should have*, would have*, could have*

Counterpoints for some of these cards... Dockside Extortionist: if people were more reserved, instead of overextending on artifacts and enchantments without expecting repercussions for doing so, it would be little more than a moderately-powered ritual. It's a brick on the accelerator for the person who plays it, as opposed to the slowdown caused by, say, Vandalblast. Smothering tithe/Rhystic Study: drawing cards is almost as valuable as the mana provided by not paying your taxes. If you don't want to be punished for value plays, deal with the issue first. "Casual" isn't just shorthand for playing like a greedy moron, run suitsble ways to protect your gameplan, be it in the form of keeping up, or in the form of interaction with the board, and understand that we're not all here to just watch you durdle about with your cardboard. Burgeoning: this card is grossly overrated if you don't have a strong enough draw engine to support it. Also, tutors are for players that can't find interesting and/or interlocking lines of play during deckbuilding that keep their plans viable in the event that they have to pivot mid-game. Power creep has been so bananas, as of late, that you need only do a bit of searching in Gatherer for key terms to find cards doing more of what you want your deck to be doing, or things adjacent to what you're already trying to do. Also, getting the cards you want to play onto the table, and keeping them there, isn't a right, it's a privilege and a responsibility. If you can't maintain your board state, you didn't deserve to have it to begin with.

Esper sentinel, mana drain and gilded drake don’t strike me as cards that break casual. Two of them are just good removal and one of them is efficient non-engine card draw. The things that make Esper sentinel insane in CEDH don’t exist in casual very much, and I don’t think there’s a peice of single target removal in the game that I would ever have a problem with showing up in a casual match. Stealing an Eldrazi with a guilded drake vs a legerdemain isn’t that big of a difference, it’s just two mana less with fewer conditions to cast.

It's often less about individual cards but more about card combinations. For an example from earlier today, I was playing with a mono-white guy who had wiped the board. Sure. I start to rebuild. Next turn he wipes again. With a different board wipe. Repeat for the next 2 turns. Turns out guy had 20 different board wipes in his deck. No board wipe, individually, would be that bad. But a solid third of your entire deck is just a collection of board wipes? That's just miserable. I scoop and refuse to play with these guy again. That ain't casual, that's toxic. EDIT: This is my first time on your channel, and missed that you're referring to commander specifically. This game in question was standard, but same general idea applies.

for me what makes a deck not casual is basically just if its miserable to play vrs stuff like chaos and hard stax (winter orb stasis levels not like thalia blind obedience etc) or strategies like mass discard and board wipe tribal that limit how the game can be played don't feel as casual to me, basically my metric for if a deck feels casual or not is if the next payer just won would I be happy it was over or sad I didn't get to play more xD

hey guys, I think I know what kind of player made this video

I’d stay stax Stanley and combo Carlos mix a lot, and if your pulling up to a lower powered game of commander with a stac deck, you suck dude

Consider a couple questions: Who is the soonest threat at this point in the game? and Who is your bad matchup late game? 1) Who is the soonest threat at this point in the game? Those decks are the ones that could eliminate you. Voltron and other Aggro strategies are often immediate early game threats while resources are low. As time goes on Voltron remains a threat but Combo and midranged decks (Battlecruiser Barry in the video) field faster clocks. At this point Combo is the fastest (0 turn clock) but might not have the threat in hand, the Voltron and midranged have a 2 turn clock on board. Late game soonest threat is Combo regardless of board state, and whoever between Voltron & midranged vs Control won control of the field. 2) Who is your bad matchup late game? If you ignore a deck, they might survive to the late game. Which of their late game positions are the hardest for you to deal with? This depends a lot on your deck. Usually it is the Combo deck and either the Control deck or the grinding midranged deck that is this late game threat to you specifically. Combo fears Control's greater ability to disrupt the combo. Control fears the midranged deck that survived the control attrition. You need to handle the imminent threats. You want to improve your odds vs your bad matchup with surplus resources not needed for handle the imminent threats. 3) Bonus question: Will the game even reach late game? That depends on the balance of interaction vs threat speed and on how much each players' threats contribute to the other players' win conditions.

Then there's me: the infect player. Sneaky aggro with proliferate.

when you're the threat (aka when your combo Carl) voltron is always the priority

combo carlos ain't living

This is a pretty sweet deck, I didn't even know this legend even existed!

This deck looks really cool! What is the usual play pattern like? Is it pretty consistent?