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En général, oui... mais pas forcément. Je resurferai avec plaisir pas mal de ces planches, dont celle-ci.

C'est fatiguant. Je tiens deux fois moins longtemps que sur une 120 litres qui est mon volume "confort". En gros 1h30 max au lieu de 3h. Il n'y pas vraiment de position de repos complet, je est toujours sur le qui-vive. C'est fatiguant nerveusement et physiquement, mais très formateur! Il y a aussi le fait que je ne sors pratiquement jamais avec du clapot (à la retraite, je peux choisir mes conditions).

@@coolas Honest feed back, thank you

This kind of comment shows that you didn't think before writing, and even less experienced things. Even a tiny SUP will have twice the volume of your shortboard. And look how much just adding a mere 5 liters to a shortboard radically changes its behavior... even a sinking SUP will have much more speed and wave-power-enhancing ability than a shortboard. Riding very different shapes (small mini-Simmons to 12' gliders) is what open your mind ... and your surfing.

@@coolas your putting extra volume in a surfboard that doesn't stand up paddle efficiently and performs like a floaty bouncy piece of shit in the surf.

No, you just do not know how to ride high volume boards. The secret is that you use the paddle to dominate this high volume and thus tap all its potential, something you could not do without a paddle. The acceleration you get by squeezing this high volume between the wave and your body weight using the paddle is insane. Plus good shapers know how to make rails that hold in turns even with high volume boards. The secret is how you make the water roll around the rail in the mid-section instead of releasing. And different boards are adapted to different type of waves. Just like a high volume board is killer in fat or weak waves, a thin prone shortboard is better in tubular waves, a noserider is better for ... noserides, a foilboard is better for onshore slop, etc, etc... This means I can have killer sessions alone on my peak while 20+ surfer battle each other on a "better" peak nearby as their boards are crippling them and forcing them to only enjoy very specific (and rare) waves. My SUP has less volume (relative to my weight) than what longboarders use... for surfing probably much better than you anyways.

En ce moment chez Gong, c'est la Mob qui s'en rapproche le plus. En la montant avec des ailerons avants puissants et des arrières le plus petit possibles, on se rapproche de l'agilité de la One. Sinon, c'est rare mais on en trouve d'occasion. Par exemple un 6'6" 90L chez Gong: www.gong-galaxy.com/en/category-product/great-deals-en/occasions-en/second-hand-rigid-sup-en/ Ou alors on peut s'en faire faire une custom chez Gong. Compter environ deux fois le prix de la série. Les Fatal aussi peuvent donner un peu ce feeling de la One, mais il leur faut des vagues plus puissantes que la Mob pour cela. Elles ne sont plus fabriquées, mais c'est plus facile d'en trouver d'occase car très peu de One ont été vendues. Sinon, dans les autres marques, il y aurait peut être la nouvelle "Pod" chez Infinity mais qui semble plus proche d'une Mob que d'une One. La One a un shape vraiment spécial, ses rails notamment... Bonne chance!

@@coolas Merci Colas pour ta réponse rapide et pour tous les conseils que tu distilles depuis des années sur la marque et sur les équipements.

Hi, I am 97 to 100kg, with a background of prone surfing and windsurfing, and 63 next month. But I am also short (1m67) which helps my balance. In my opinion, what board to get depends a lot of the conditions you will use it in. Compared to surfing, SUP becomes VERY hard with chop, so you should not hesitate to get a very wide board (at least 32") if you plan to use it in chop and if you are tall. And the board should also be wide at the one-foot-offs (i.e. a longboard outline). You also want at least a length of 9', as a shorter board will be more technical to paddle efficiently on. What your surfing background help you is for the volume: you will not want too much volume, to keep the feel of a surfboard underfoot. A good rule would be around 160 liters (glassy) to 200 liters (chop). For your first sessions, avoid chop and wind. Watch/read tutorials on paddling technique. The error to avoid is to think: "I will get a board a bit too advanced for a beginner so that I will keep it longer". This will slow your progress immensely. Just get a cheap second hand one for learning the ropes, you will resell it in any case after the beginning phase (but not an inflatable, they do not have the surfing feel that will motivate you). And when in doubt choose the bigger board. With your surfing experience and the leverage of the paddle, even huge boards are easy to turn. Be aware that your surfing experience will not help you very much at first (especially for paddling and going out), but will become very useful later on. If you are in Wales, I strongly suggest you subscribe to supboardermag.com/ They have plenty of advice especially for your local conditions and what gear is available in the UK. And you can ask them for tips. Reading/participating in online SUP forums will be also very beneficial. Cheers, and welcome to your new phase of your surfing life!

@@coolas Thanks for speedy reply, at the mo I'm riding a 7'6" fish at 66ltrs just about duck dive it. Also a 9'6" longboard I think it's about 85 ltrs. So I know volume is your friend especially in our later years. I like the idea of the smaller type sups as you can throw them around easier, as for the 9ft plus you got to get down the back and plant that back foot to get it to turn. So maybe try that link you gave me for ideas, or ask guys in the water if I can try a quick paddle etc. Anyway thanks for the advice every days a school day! Haha Cheers.

Small sinking boards have no glide anyways, so fins wont help. You take off on small volume boards by timing your paddle strokes and body movements with the wave. Trying to glide into the wave wont work. I use 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 fins. No difference in taking off. If you have trouble with the row effect, try the C-Drive fins that provide insane hold at paddling speeds. See for instance at 0:40 on this vid, I do a tiny pause in my paddle movement to time perfectly my stroke with the "bump" of the wave lifting the board: ruclips.net/video/ON4BTbbf9VY/видео.html BTW, I use only Quobba fins, quobbafins.com/ they are a real game changer because they hold better and most importantly, are faster. They allow your board to gain I would say about 5% more top speed, it is incredible the difference on the water.

Here an example with five C-Drive fins: ruclips.net/video/p_HqHwAwOq0/видео.html The setup: i.imgur.com/W9PC4FJl.jpg

Oui, la 8'4" devrait être OK pour ton gabarit. La Kobe étant très stable, il se peut que tu aies besoin d'un peu ramer sur le plat avec la Karmen pour s'y habituer, mais cela devrait se faire sans souci.

@@coolas Oui effectivement la Jobe est en 150 L en plus mais très typée longboard et moi ce qui me plairait c'est plus typée short lol pour des manœuvres plus radicales. Et oui le nose est plus large et arrondi c'est vrai. Super merci beaucoup pour ton conseil et ton retour c'est cool 😁😁

Gap avec la source? Merci

Je n'ai jamais testé la source, donc je ne saurais trop quoi dire en comparaison. La Mob a plus d'accélération, surtout sur des vagues molles, et la Karmen a plus de vitesse de pointe. La Mob est une planche de petites vagues, au delà d'une certaine puissance de vague (disons 8s de periode) le tail très puissant devient dur à maitriser. La Karmen au contraire, est à l'aise dans la taille mais moins "explosive" dans le petit. Enfin la Mob est nettement plus stable que la Karmen (plus large aux extrémités, carène plus plate). Si la source vous paraît lente car ne générant pas assez de vitesse, vous allez vous éclater avec la Mob. Par contre si vous trouvez au contraire que la source est bridée en vitesse de pointe, c'est la Karmen qu'il vous faut.

La source a un gros square tail bien plus important qu une karmen. Je pense que c est les 31" qui créent du frottement. La source a de rails très fins de 4" mais la vitesse est limitée. Soit je me garde 1 seul board et je prends la karmen soit je garde la source et je file vers une mob. Merci à vous

Une reelle dif entre karmen 2022 et karmen 2023? On dirait que le nose est plus pointu sur 2023. Merci

@@sengyo Personne (à part le team Gong) n'a encore eu la Karmen 2023 dans les mains. Mais normalement son shape a évolué pour encore plus d'agilité: nez moins encombrant, rails arrières plus fins. J'imagine que elle a du perdre un poil en stabilité (rien n'est gratuit), on verra de combien. Perso je suis devenu accro aux shapes de Gong à cause de leur vitesse. Les rockers notamment sont stupéfiants de glisse. Ah, et surtout, il est important de prendre des ailerons Quobba, ils sont nettement plus rapides que tout ce que j'ai pu tester... quobbafins.com

Hi, this video dates back from more than 5 years, the gear I use there is totally obsolete by now. Current foils are much, much better, with plenty of options. It was a Gong Hellvator L, with a 65cm mast. I Guess in the current Gong line, similar to the Allvator Rise. See all the details in the first 2 links in the description.

Oops, sorry David, I only saw your message today. I think you should take the NFA, as with chop and wind you need the stablest possible board, especially if you do not get out very often...

@@coolas Thank you for your reply Colas! Would the MOB 7'6 (120L) or 7'11 (140L) be even better than NFA? I hadn't considered it back then and I saw they are stable and fast even in chop. Let me remind you, I'm 72kg, 180cm height.

@@Crusifizerr The Mob is very stable because it is wide at the nose and tail. But this wide tail means it can become "too" stable if you take it too big for your size, you will have a hard time to put the board on the rail for turns. The NFA keeps a more pulled-in tail, which is easier to turn, even if you do not have your rear foot over the rear fin(s). Thus the 7'11" 140L may become quickly hard to turn for you, e.g. on the waves on the "Sunny but weak waves" video, but doable if you can put your rear foot against the rear kickpad . And the 7'6" 120L may be a bit short for you coming from a 9', it does not have the glide of a 9' to enter the wave, doable by reading the wave to place and time your takeoff rather than rely on simple paddling speed...

@@coolas Thank you very very much!! I've spent many weeks without making up my mind but now it is much clearer! I'll go with the NFA 9'! Thanks a again for your great effort!

Merci! Normalement la 8'4" 120l devrait être OK, mais je pense que c'est un saut un poil trop grand comme première rigide. Donc je dirais plutôt 8'9", à moins que tu ne sortes que dans du glassy et souvent (au moins une à deux fois par semaine). Les 4cm en plus de largeur de la 8'9" vont apporter une stabilité importante pour des progrès rapides. La Karmen de part son shape "roule" très facilement sur le rail pour prendre des virages, la largeur ne sera pas handicapante pour la performance. Les modèles 2022 sont en promo en ce moment (à priori la gamme 2023 arrive, je n'ai aucune info, mais probablement pas de changement de shape), ça vaut le coup d'en profiter.

@@coolas Merci pour ces conseils!

@@coolas Et que penses tu en alternative une NFA 9'? merci d'avance Fred

@@claireastier7749 Franchement, pour un début avec une rigide, une NFA 9' est le choix le plus recommandé. Cette planche peut tout faire (virages, noserides,...) , avec la glisse si agréable d'un shape longboard perf sur la vague. L'avant large donne la stabilité, mais le tail rétreint la maniabilité. Tout SUPeur se doit d'avoir ce genre de shape dans son quiver. Et si tu n'as jamais fait de surf, un moyen de tout essayer pour voir ce qui t'attire le plus.

@@coolas Top, a ton avis pour mes 87 kgs je peux rester sur la 9, pas besoin d'une 9 xl? Merci encore pour tes conseils Fred

Thanks Rick, you are always a source of inspiration!

There was no market for really short boards, I guess we were less than 10 people worldwide using boards less than 7' but with more than 100 liters of volume. So a production line was not sustainable. Each Gong One model did not sell more than 3 boards. And also with the advances of the shapes and the construction (boards now are now stronger for the same weight) a 7'2" modern board feels as nimble as a 6'8", but with a significant gain in paddling speed. I got one of the last One made (6'10" x 125L), thinking I would never part with it... but since I got a new Mob (Cool 7'6" x 120L)... i resold the One! The Mob is nearly as nimble, but paddles faster, which is very important now that I live in the crowded Capbreton/Hossegor/Seignosse area to go find peaks without crowds. You can see my review (as well as others) at www.gong-galaxy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=9420&start=120#p163560 In French, but Google Translate or DeepL work

@@coolas I read the review But my Q go to old MOB vs new MOB. I liked the old one ....but wanted narrower tail and shorter board . The new one has very wide nose that I am not sure I like and wanted to hear a comparation between the two

@@ozbarak8773 Ah sorry, I though you were speaking of the One. I didn't try the old Mob (I only had a pre-production prototype with more rocker as seen in ruclips.net/video/0Wk_Im9enxA/видео.html ). I have the 2019 Fatal however, that has the same nose as the old Mob, and it pushed water a bit when paddling and on takeoff. The new Mob nose paddles much faster. I have not used my Fatal 7'3" ... nor my Zero 9'0" since I got my new Mob. On the forum, a post of people having ridden both and offering a comparison is: www.gong-galaxy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=9420&start=105#p162955 On the forum, matt5neufSUP had the old and the new Mob, try contacting him to geta comparison: www.gong-galaxy.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=128920

Ok So can you please can help me to choose between 8.3 145 31.7/8 7.11 140 32.1/16 My water is choopy What should be the REAL difference between the two?

@@ozbarak8773 The 8'3" is thinner and longer, the 7'11" wider and shorter. Thus the 8'3" will have more paddling speed, more glide, and easier to put on the rail. The 7'1"" will have more acceleration, planes a bit earlier, less swing weight (inertia in turns) and will be stabler. But the differences will be small. I'd say go with the 7'11" if you are tall to maximize stability, 8'3" if you are light to ease paddling and turning.

Oui, depuis Juillet 2017 www.gong-galaxy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9064&p=125631

@@coolas j'ai vue le post avant de poser la question en fait. Je trouve la qualité très correct pour ce corriger entre pote en surf ou autre. Merci😉

@@vincentpoens7011 Oui, je trouve que c'est vraiment un excellent rapport qualité / prix. Si jamais je change ce sera pour un drone autonome (en mode "poursuite") pour ne plus obliger ma camerawoman à venir se cailler les miches sur la plage à l'aube :-)

Well, one could argue that a very good surfer can take off without paddling, and that paddling for taking off is thus ... cheating :-)

Thanks, but the last time I was in the water was Nov 23rd. We are Dec 4th, and I cannot see glassy conditions until at least Dec 18th on the forecasts. "Les Landes" is a magical region because it is so unreliable, you can have pure magic for some hours... and a full month of onshore crap where I cannot force myself to get out :-) Thus it makes the glassy days so enjoyable...

Oui, c'est celle que j'utilise le plus. Je trouve que c'est le shape parfait pour les Landes. De la vitesse, comme tous les shapes Gong, mais avec un round tail super doux et fluide... et légère! (5,8kg avec pad pour 120 litres...). Seul contrainte: de part le nez pointu, il faut bien centrer son pied avant au takeoff. Et surtout les dérives Quobba, nettement meilleures que toutes les autres: plus de tenue et surtout plus rapides, c'est impressionnant.

Thanks!

Non, WebcamHD ne conserve le flux (du MPEG-DASH) que durant 1mn. Je me suis du coup codé un soft de capture (plus efficace et plus robuste que le javascript de WebcamHD) que je lance avant la session, je le publierai en open source (bash sous linux, mais il devrait pouvoir tourner sous windows via cygwin). Le but au début était de mieux mater les conditions le matin pour ne pas dépendre des mouvements de la caméra, et gardfer un petit "sample" des conditions pour mon journal de session, mais pouvoir se revoir est un gros plus.

Ce sont deux planches proches, mais la Mob est plus typée vagues molles/lentes: elle aura plus d'accélèration et de puissance que la Fatal (plus typée vagues creuses), mais moins de vitesse de pointe et de capacité à serrer les courbes. La Mob sera plus stable et facile que la Fatal. Le mieux est de comparer les fiches Fatal / Mob sur le site Gong. J'ai aussi des vidéos ou je suis sur un proto de la Mob 7'6": ruclips.net/video/ibStAiS-bFw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/0Wk_Im9enxA/видео.html

@@coolas merci beaucoup pour tes conseils!!! Je vais craquer pour la mob 7,6 ou 7,11... je fais 77kg et j ai un niveau intermédiaire tu me conseilles la 105 ou 120L? Et super vidéo avec la mob!!! 👏👏👏

@@generalochoa5463 Si tu sors souvent (deux fois par semaine et plus), et pas dans du clapot, la 7'6" sera impec. Sinon il vaut mieux jouer la prudence et prendre la 7'11".

@@coolas merci encore pour tes conseils!!! Bon surf à toi!!!

Merci!

La mob a plus d'acceleration et de "peps" et genère facilement de la vitesse. L'Alley est plus fluide, et permet de mieux contrôler la puissance de la vague, elle se révèle quand ça pousse.

Cool!

Oui, sinon, il y a cet accessoire super pratique, à la fois pour mettre et enlever: www.gong-galaxy.com/produit/fin-puller/

Pas de souci avec ton gabarit. Il faut par contre prendre du matos adapté: En gros une planche avec un litrage équivalente à ce que tu SUPe déjà, mais si possible plus courte. Et au moins un foil XL, voire XXL si c'est pour de toutes petites vagues.

Hi it is difficult to say, I did not try the raptor. Which raptor model do you mean, the V128 7'x33"x128 liters? I have tried 7x33" boards however, and at this huge width, it will be very stable, but with such a width and short length, it will paddle very slowly (lots of drag), making it a board for very slow waves only, and with a lot of latency in turns. There are not similar boards in the Gong line, the closer would be the Mob, but it is much more streamlined, narrower and pulled-in tips for better paddling speed and more efficiency on the waves. 7'x33" is so specific that it is not made anymore by any brands (e.g. Naish doesn't make it anymore). If you need the stability of a 33" width, this means you do not have the technique to benefit from a 7'. Boards nowadays are more balanced, for instance the 128 liters Gong Mob is 7'11"x30.5". So I would advise you look rather for boards in the 8'x30" range, with wide but semi-pointed or round noses, not square.

@@coolas Thank you so much for answering. Your opinion is important to me as I know you know your stuff about SUP. Ive been offered a Bare Bones 7.33 128 litres and it has me very intrested. Any videos ive seen online the riders look like theyre having fun. Ive also been offered a French brand called Fresh boards. They look more like the JP slate model. Have you seen them in France? www.fresh-boards.com/fresh-boards-sup-en.php

@@ourwilliam2405 7.33 128 litres will be super efficient for slow waves (let's say under 8s period), but will become harder to turn in faster waves, so it depends on where your surf. I remember the Fresh boards, the brand was created at the time of the "Tomo" craze so they had this "slate" shape, but I did not try them. I never heard of them after their first year.

@@coolas I surf in Punta de Lobos, Chile, youve probably heard of it. The waves there can vary, but there are always waves. Its difficult here to get good boards as were so far from the rest of the world. A shop had the Fresh boards at 400 US dollars. And the Raptor is at 600 US dollars. Its stressful buying boards, worse than buying a car hahah. Im really confused what to do.

@@ourwilliam2405 ah yes. What are the dimension of the Fresh, and how much do you weight?

No, but Gong has been making "short longboard" SUP for years (Gong is THE worldwide reference for longboard SUPs), so I have ridden a lot of "Destroyer"-like SUPs in various lengths. They are insanely fun boards for weak waves. For instance see my 2012 Gong "Mutant" 6'9": imgur.com/a/DWrQS I recommend a length around 8', 6'9" requires a good paddling technique and has a low paddling seed (although it is a pocket missile on the wave). The JL Destroyer shape seems quite sane and nice. You should have fun with it, if you are not into vertical surfing and tight turns. This said, I do not have any longboard SUP in my quiver anymore. The Karmen replaced them, as it has the same glide efficiency, but is much nimbler on the waves.

Thanks!