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ImperialHal FIRES BACK at Big E's "Fell Off" Claim - Apex Legends
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#apex #apexlegends #apexclips Welcome to our POGCHAMP Apex channel! 🎮🔥 In this channel, we bring you the most exciting and jaw-dropping moments from the world of Apex Legends! Whether it's mind-blowing plays, epic kills, or unbelievable clutch saves, we've got it all covered. Get ready to witness the intense action, strategic gameplay, and incredible skills displayed by the top Apex Legends str...
Imperialhal on Why He DIDN'T Want to Swap to Controller Until He found Linear on Controller
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#apex #apexlegends #apexclips Welcome to our POGCHAMP Apex channel! 🎮🔥 In this channel, we bring you the most exciting and jaw-dropping moments from the world of Apex Legends! Whether it's mind-blowing plays, epic kills, or unbelievable clutch saves, we've got it all covered. Get ready to witness the intense action, strategic gameplay, and incredible skills displayed by the top Apex Legends str...
Falcons Zero SNIPES Out TSM Boys With Insane Kraber Play in Scrims!
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HAL Watches BIG E Going Absolutely NUCLEAR & Carries TSM in ALGS Scrims
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Zero Watches as DSG Dezignful's EPIC RAGE After Losing in Pro League (MUST WATCH!)
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#apex #apexlegends #apexclips Welcome to our POGCHAMP Apex channel! 🎮🔥 In this channel, we bring you the most exciting and jaw-dropping moments from the world of Apex Legends! Whether it's mind-blowing plays, epic kills, or unbelievable clutch saves, we've got it all covered. Get ready to witness the intense action, strategic gameplay, and incredible skills displayed by the top Apex Legends str...
FALCON ImperialHal & The Boys Dominates and Claims Their First Place in PRO League
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FALCON ImperialHal & The Boys Dominates and Claims Their First Place in PRO League
When Big E Makes a HUGE Play Against Falcon ImperialHal & The Boys in SCRIMS
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When Big E Makes a HUGE Play Against Falcon ImperialHal & The Boys in SCRIMS
Team Falcons on Fire! ImperialHal & The BOYS Dominates Pro Lobby in SCRIMS
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Team Falcons on Fire! ImperialHal & The BOYS Dominates Pro Lobby in SCRIMS
Is Brainsy CHEATING? Imperialhal & Noko Analyses SUSPICIOUS Sentinel Shot
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Is Brainsy CHEATING? Imperialhal & Noko Analyses SUSPICIOUS Sentinel Shot
ImperialHal Felt Emotional After Joining FALCONS
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ImperialHal Felt Emotional After Joining FALCONS
Genburten LEAVES DZ & JOINS Falcons! Here's Why He Made the Switch
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Genburten LEAVES DZ & JOINS Falcons! Here's Why He Made the Switch
Dezignful's INSANE Sentinel Snipes FORCE Albralelie to RAGE QUIT Scrims!
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Dezignful's INSANE Sentinel Snipes FORCE Albralelie to RAGE QUIT Scrims!
Albralelie Pulls Off CRAZY Strat to GRIEF DZ ImperialHal & the Boys in SCRIMS!
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Albralelie Pulls Off CRAZY Strat to GRIEF DZ ImperialHal & the Boys in SCRIMS!
ImperialHal HARD Carries Rank #1 Predator Teamates In Season 21 Pred Lobby
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ImperialHal HARD Carries Rank #1 Predator Teamates In Season 21 Pred Lobby
ImperialHAL Makes Epic Return & Dominates Scrims with Recovered Account
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ImperialHAL Makes Epic Return & Dominates Scrims with Recovered Account
ImperialHal Watches BIG E Destroying PRO'S With HAVOC in SCRIMS
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ImperialHal Watches BIG E Destroying PRO'S With HAVOC in SCRIMS
ImperialHAL Reacts to DZ Zero's Frustration After Losing It In Realm Tourney
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ImperialHAL Reacts to DZ Zero's Frustration After Losing It In Realm Tourney
DZ ImperialHal & The Boys Clutch Up vs. LG & FURIA! Back-to-Back Scrim Win
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DZ ImperialHal & The Boys Clutch Up vs. LG & FURIA! Back-to-Back Scrim Win
DZ Coach Needs Therapy After Watching ImperialHal Farming Entire Pro Lobby In Scrims
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DZ Coach Needs Therapy After Watching ImperialHal Farming Entire Pro Lobby In Scrims
DZ Zer0 GOES CRAZY After INSANE Third Party by Imperialhal! (Realm Apex Tourney)
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DZ Zer0 GOES CRAZY After INSANE Third Party by Imperialhal! (Realm Apex Tourney)
Albralelie & His Team Shocked Everyone With UNEXPECTED Play in Wild Scrim Finish!
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Albralelie & His Team Shocked Everyone With UNEXPECTED Play in Wild Scrim Finish!
DZ ImperialHal & The Boys Goes GOD MODE Against FURIA & NGNL in Scrims End Game!
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DZ ImperialHal & The Boys Goes GOD MODE Against FURIA & NGNL in Scrims End Game!
ImperialHAL Shares His Thoughts On Verhulst Could Be a Good IGL for TSM?
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ImperialHAL Shares His Thoughts On Verhulst Could Be a Good IGL for TSM?
Imperialhal SMOKES ZER0, Post-Game Chat Goes Wild! (Apex Legends)
Просмотров 8 тыс.14 дней назад
Imperialhal SMOKES ZER0, Post-Game Chat Goes Wild! (Apex Legends)
ImperialHal Popped Off & Put Genburten and His Team on a POSTER in Pred Lobby (HILARIOUS)
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ImperialHal Popped Off & Put Genburten and His Team on a POSTER in Pred Lobby (HILARIOUS)
TSM Verhulst & The Boys FIRST Big WIN In $20K Tournament Without CEO
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TSM Verhulst & The Boys FIRST Big WIN In $20K Tournament Without CEO
Zer0 vs ImperialHal - EPIC 1v1 Battle - Can the CEO FINALLY Be Defeated?
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Zer0 vs ImperialHal - EPIC 1v1 Battle - Can the CEO FINALLY Be Defeated?
ImperialHal & Zero Can't Hold Back Laughter at Genbuten's Fuse Plays In Scrims
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ImperialHal & Zero Can't Hold Back Laughter at Genbuten's Fuse Plays In Scrims
ImperialHal Breaks Down on New POI, Draft System, Meta & Weapons In Apex Legends
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ImperialHal Breaks Down on New POI, Draft System, Meta & Weapons In Apex Legends

Комментарии

  • @djtrig6576
    @djtrig6576 42 минуты назад

    Everyone is tripping drinking the hal ade lmfao. Big E didn’t even say anything crazy and it’s all obviously true if you were watching anything lol

  • @Anarcaeful
    @Anarcaeful 55 минут назад

    Dont really watch Hal. But used to love watching Lou and Alb now I dont because they switched. Controller isnt fun to watch, High level MNK is impressive and entertaining. 7:55 like his initial ads is on the rock under his targets feet, then suddenly jesus takes the wheel and perfect tracks for him to hit 136dmg. Nerf this dog shit input.

  • @dznuts2114
    @dznuts2114 Час назад

    He’s mad Hal abandoned the team after one bad season hal needs to get use to the hate if he’s going to chase championships like labron

  • @jcibrian11
    @jcibrian11 Час назад

    I kept counting how many times Hal took his hat off haha

    • @beerdo
      @beerdo Час назад

      paying attention to something like that instead of what the person is saying. that's that autism type beat 😂

  • @lemon7503
    @lemon7503 2 часа назад

    Both said some stuff that seemed reasonable, other stuff that just doesn’t hold water. I still like Hal, but he is justifying his baby behavior with wins that were shared with his team. Hals argument of his behavior being synonymous with winning is BS. He says he would do anything to win, except can’t exercise the slightest discipline to behave in a way he knows would benefit the mental of his teammates, and you can find endless examples in other sports or professions on how important effective team communication is.

  • @royalboy011
    @royalboy011 2 часа назад

    Man I do wish him the best but holy balls does he sound like an arrogant prick in this, it’s possible to be critical without being just verbally abusive. Also with the way he acts, do the ends justify the means?

  • @MrHatch530
    @MrHatch530 2 часа назад

    Y'all care too much about this dude's life

  • @MrHatch530
    @MrHatch530 2 часа назад

    That movement is freaking insane. I would just delete the game.😂

  • @siniister710
    @siniister710 2 часа назад

    kinda sucks but the way he's handled all this makes me not like evan lol

  • @gabeitches87
    @gabeitches87 3 часа назад

    I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know

  • @KissinTheHomiesGoodnight1
    @KissinTheHomiesGoodnight1 4 часа назад

    The fact that Hal is just such an A-hole to his friends while playing with them then wonders why they didn't want to play the game.

    • @zido2064
      @zido2064 45 минут назад

      They were co-workers when playing the game tho, playing the game and winning is their living

  • @grazen663
    @grazen663 4 часа назад

    Hal would be a lot more likeable if he would just admit that there are more ways to win then just being a belligerent asshole to your teammates. He constantly invokes Michael Jordan as proof that being a hardass is the only way to win while completely ignoring players like lebron, Steph or Duncan who had low conflict team communication styles (or “rainbows and sunshine” like hal puts it) and still won as much as MJ. Also for how much Kobe or MJ were assholes I would be surprised to see them say half the things hal says to reps and Evan while they were in a middle of a NBA game.

    • @DarkAuroraBlade
      @DarkAuroraBlade Час назад

      Yes there are different styles to winning and Hal's style is don't hold back, shout, rage get it all out and move on. There shouldn't be any surprise with Hal's IGLing style it's not a secret. Evan joined knowing full well what Hal is like as an IGL. Like Evan said he joined TSM as a business decision, now that they have won a few times he doesn't want to put up with it anymore.

  • @user-hl6rk3gn4i
    @user-hl6rk3gn4i 4 часа назад

    Evan saying going from sea to tsm is a downgrade is the most childish thing ever. He went from 0 to the biggest org winning multiple lans be humble

  • @claycook7307
    @claycook7307 5 часов назад

    Intelligent words from Halbert. How can you hate the guy

  • @danielkunkler7293
    @danielkunkler7293 5 часов назад

    My main takeaway, we need to check on dezignful

  • @danielkunkler7293
    @danielkunkler7293 5 часов назад

    What did even say about Hal? Only saw him mention raven

  • @slayinonthefly6496
    @slayinonthefly6496 5 часов назад

    I'll be over here being an asshole winning everything and you can be over there happy while losing, haha. Nice guys finish last. I figured that out a long time ago. You'll just get walked over being too nice. You have to be an asshole at some point.

  • @LuchaDCom
    @LuchaDCom 5 часов назад

    delete consoles and joysticks for shooters

  • @ros6919
    @ros6919 5 часов назад

    Now I see why he left, and it all makes sense

  • @mercykillah8763
    @mercykillah8763 5 часов назад

    Mac Ruined the #1 esport team of all time… facts

  • @hotdamn9147
    @hotdamn9147 6 часов назад

    Hal spitting facts

  • @isaacdegoat2190
    @isaacdegoat2190 6 часов назад

    "you cant blame others for not wanting to try if you dont try " precedes to blame verhulst for why they acted like that.... Hmmmm.....

  • @CountryKirby.
    @CountryKirby. 6 часов назад

    Evan said Hal is the only one who didn’t fall off.

  • @user-jc3fs9uw3z
    @user-jc3fs9uw3z 6 часов назад

    Hal looks like he is 35.

  • @guillaumelabonte2702
    @guillaumelabonte2702 6 часов назад

    lol, you can play controller but i dont watch that shit cause its boring af xD, at least he admits its broken. When u played both high level you know how hard the aim assist kick in! Thats why i love MNK so much, its a challenge. Otherwise it would be like any other fps on console. Everyone is free to do what they want, not hating.

  • @cosmicfox370
    @cosmicfox370 6 часов назад

    " if you cannot handle how I act in a video game boy you're have you're going to have so many more things to worry about in life that's way worse" for my next trick, I'll justify any short comings from my temper, by pointing at how cruel the world is.

  • @cosmicfox370
    @cosmicfox370 6 часов назад

    They talked about it behind the scenes, good, then Evan just shared... it would have been worse if they didn't talk about it as a team, and then Evan comes out to "air out the dirty laundry"

  • @cosmicfox370
    @cosmicfox370 6 часов назад

    and what's wrong with doing things for views??? Shitting on any other monetizing avenue because it's not what you do? Nah.... i think it's Evans drama to farm... now if we start talking about Hal and his ex-gf, THEN that's LEECHING

    • @UrbanMatts
      @UrbanMatts 5 часов назад

      so Evan is allowed to drama farm but hal can’t do the same 😂 logic ???

    • @cosmicfox370
      @cosmicfox370 3 часа назад

      @@UrbanMatts no one said Hal couldn't. Hal himself made it seem like it's beneath him. Basically saying drama farming is cringe.

  • @_CiG_
    @_CiG_ 6 часов назад

    I’ve been saying PlayStation teammates are ass they never have a mic and play like bots. 😂

  • @Star-Wayz
    @Star-Wayz 6 часов назад

    If Hal was still on the same team, they all need to talk about it but they are set on their own paths. It's finished. Move on, learn, improve, love each other.

  • @cosmicfox370
    @cosmicfox370 6 часов назад

    Evan shared his feelings and didn't call people names. Hal over here saying "leech" "bums" "cringe". His feelings are obviously hurt. IGLs rather verbally abuse their teammates than to deal with drama of a guy speaking his feelings. Evan didn't even talk shit about Hal. Lowkey those trophies can give you justification for narcissism. Hal doesn't know the different between Nice and Kind either. From the Ninja school of gaming "If you don't rage after you die, you already lost". Glad Imperialhal found a home with Falcons though.

    • @DarkAuroraBlade
      @DarkAuroraBlade Час назад

      What? Evan is airing stuff out that was supposedly resolved PRIVATELY as a team LOL. Hal even confronted Evan to see if Evan;s lack of motivation and grind was due to himself and Evan said no. In Hal's perspective they talked and the situation was resolved. Then fast forward to the podcast he throws Raven under the bus called out raven saying he fell off and got lazy near the end. But in reality it was Evan that got lazy and didn't grind. You can't coach a player if the player has given up. he then said "we all fell off" which is also a lie cos Hal continued to grind and doing his job.

  • @EliotUchiha
    @EliotUchiha 6 часов назад

    Evan ain't trying to farm views lol he's just speaking how he felt he just felt to much pressure with you now he's enjoying the game again because he doesn't have you pressuring him

    • @UrbanMatts
      @UrbanMatts 5 часов назад

      he also won nothing until he teamed with hal…..

    • @siniister710
      @siniister710 2 часа назад

      @@UrbanMatts and will win nothing post hal

    • @DarkAuroraBlade
      @DarkAuroraBlade Час назад

      but evan clearly says he's drama farming in his video lol

  • @nemesislaion5817
    @nemesislaion5817 6 часов назад

    how many times hal just touched his cap

  • @sigster87
    @sigster87 6 часов назад

    This guy is really embarrassing. Trying to act like he’s MJ. It’s a video game bro. No one thinks you’re tough, or you’re just trying to be tough on teammates. There’s a difference between tough love, and just auto blaming your teammates for everything. It’s insanely cringe how he’s trying to act like MJ

    • @stocktonfiero5379
      @stocktonfiero5379 6 часов назад

      Yeah they earn a lot of money, so it's not just a video game.

    • @DrMalcolm97
      @DrMalcolm97 5 часов назад

      Sigster87 you couldnt be more wrong

    • @UrbanMatts
      @UrbanMatts 4 часа назад

      he’s making millions playing video games and you’re broke.

    • @sigster87
      @sigster87 4 часа назад

      @@UrbanMatts LOL. Millions?!? Sure buddy. Even if he is (he isn’t) that gravy train might last another year or so. After that? He’s fucked. No real skills.

    • @DarkAuroraBlade
      @DarkAuroraBlade Час назад

      @@sigster87 The amount of subs, viewers, ads, player contract, donations, tournament winnings and sponsorship Hal gets he is 100% making a mil PER YEAR. He knows streaming and professional Esports player is not sustainable which is why he grinds EVERYDAY to earn money and invest so he can live a comfortable life after his career.

  • @MStach42
    @MStach42 6 часов назад

    We live in a really soft world

  • @user-dl7tz3rg9i
    @user-dl7tz3rg9i 7 часов назад

    mac snipe evan maybe similar each other

  • @ackermann2754
    @ackermann2754 7 часов назад

    They all need to chill, I love Apex, but its just a fkn video game.

    • @SugarHillGoGetBack
      @SugarHillGoGetBack 6 часов назад

      to you, they get paid more than you ever will from it🤣

    • @jmorales6539
      @jmorales6539 Час назад

      It's a job to them man. When there's money on the line, you'll do what it takes.

  • @taner980
    @taner980 7 часов назад

    people who bitched about hal from day one are fkn braindead

  • @urbanops9882
    @urbanops9882 7 часов назад

    Verhulst on his Scottie Pipen arc smh

  • @supermaybdo
    @supermaybdo 7 часов назад

    comparing mac to evan... ouch kinda hurtful

  • @SwSAS1786
    @SwSAS1786 7 часов назад

    The title is incorrect. Hal isn’t referring to Evans “fell off” comments about Raven. Hal’s referring to Evans comments about how he enjoys playing the game more now that he’s not playing with Hal. There’s a clip of Evan that just came out today where he said “the game is way easier to play now that I don’t have to play with Hal anymore”

    • @rickvick1845
      @rickvick1845 7 часов назад

      You should know it’s all clickbait at this point lmao

  • @1234epps
    @1234epps 7 часов назад

    Evan career is ending before our very eyes

  • @esgergalka254
    @esgergalka254 8 часов назад

    What controller is he using? Astro?

    • @villegasjaime
      @villegasjaime 2 часа назад

      battle beavers i think

    • @aing2009
      @aing2009 37 минут назад

      Yep, he is/was sponsored by Battlebeaver; however, he swapped to the Astro C40 (connected using wire) due to it have less input delay than his Battlebeaver controller.

  • @kassidystrain2323
    @kassidystrain2323 8 часов назад

    “I hope sunshine’s and rainbows bring you first place Evan”😹😹

  • @emg6081
    @emg6081 8 часов назад

    It makes sense why he left.

  • @DBurr07
    @DBurr07 8 часов назад

    Idk why Hal gets it the worst, Dezignful, phony,sweet,zero, and many more igls yell and fight with their team too

    • @UrbanMatts
      @UrbanMatts 5 часов назад

      it’s just a viewership thing more people see hal rage

    • @user-hl6rk3gn4i
      @user-hl6rk3gn4i 5 часов назад

      Because he pulls 100x the viewers people see it more

  • @Strudderz
    @Strudderz 8 часов назад

    Wasnt Hal the one to bring up the behind scene stuff? why is he trying to act like a victim

    • @DBurr07
      @DBurr07 8 часов назад

      Evan did

    • @Strudderz
      @Strudderz 7 часов назад

      @@DBurr07 He brought up raven not hal?

    • @notben7
      @notben7 7 часов назад

      I was confused about this too at first. There’s new clips of Evan shit talking Hal

    • @Strudderz
      @Strudderz 7 часов назад

      @@notben7 Yeah i know.. but that was after Hal watched ravens reaction and then said shit on stream? idk lol just weird behavior

    • @DarkAuroraBlade
      @DarkAuroraBlade Час назад

      @@Strudderz yes because evan called out raven saying he fell off and got lazy near the end. but in reality it was evan that got lazy and didnt grind. You can't coach a player if the player has given up. he then said "we all fell off" which is also a lie cos hal continued to grind and doing his job.

  • @undbiter65
    @undbiter65 8 часов назад

    Evan on his villain arc 😳

    • @angelazcona7
      @angelazcona7 7 часов назад

      More like his losing arc

    • @ros6919
      @ros6919 5 часов назад

      Naw I do think evan is kinda wrong

    • @dariusmunoz4086
      @dariusmunoz4086 5 часов назад

      ​@@ros6919hals the biggest crybaby in apex history big dawg 😂

    • @ros6919
      @ros6919 5 часов назад

      @@dariusmunoz4086 he may be a crybaby, but he has the most championships

    • @obeyenertrify6716
      @obeyenertrify6716 5 часов назад

      ​@dariusmunoz4086 the crybaby who is dominant in apex competitive The crybaby who made tsm a dynasty The crybaby who has the most earnings

  • @jacksonlipsey3166
    @jacksonlipsey3166 8 часов назад

    It seems like an ex girlfiend situation

  • @MrMassdcreep
    @MrMassdcreep 8 часов назад

    Ahh, I guessed this a while back. I had a feeling Verhulst didn't want to play with Hal anymore, I just didn't ever want to say it. This what happens when a nice guy holds back his anger for too many years, and he just lets it all out at once. I thought Verhulst wanted to quit because he kept playing under Hal. But I noticed Verhulst drive to win again was there once Hal left. Verhulst never wanted to quit. He was just tired of getting yelled at everyday and holding it back. This is why nice guys dont' stay nice forever. They eventually learn just letting it out is better.

    • @DBurr07
      @DBurr07 8 часов назад

      Literally Evan fault too , especially when Hal said he confronted him . Hal is an a hole but he got results

    • @avinashmihindukulasuriya6224
      @avinashmihindukulasuriya6224 8 часов назад

      i mean all that is fine but evan just leaking all this to the public is the problem. they could've easily talked this out but for some reason he had to start talking shit. No one was saying shit when they were winning, it's no surprise that the two most decorated players in this game are A holes in game. if evan was unhappy he could've easily leave and play with an igl that holds his hand lol, and i'm certain he wouldn't have won shit.

    • @kassidystrain2323
      @kassidystrain2323 8 часов назад

      Apparently he wasn’t playing the game and he didn’t like it anymore when before champs last year

    • @MrMassdcreep
      @MrMassdcreep 8 часов назад

      @@DBurr07 That's the life of a nice guy. They don't want to hurt anybody. Then once they had enough, they let everything out all at once, then everyone is hurt.