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Hi K. Carney- well, it wasn't Polish Mass, so no Polish- but we do offer Mass and other Devotions in Polish, as the need arises. And not Roman! Idealogy counts too, not just liturgy. Have a great, God-given day.

They are Old Catholics; part of the Union of Scranton. Basically, a continuation of the Jansenists.

Hi- if we are looking at Christian history like the temple being destroyed, we can't look past centuries of Christian liturgical worship, too- unless we are dismissing all the work, worship, and practices of many saints (or Saints) before us

@@st.maryspnccinparmaoh4656 Well, we can look past it if it is only man-made tradition not required by God, as He no longer dwells in temples made by the hands of men, and half of the traditions you cite were done away with with after Yeshua prophesied that the Temple would be destroyed, not to go and make some more! The church is the congregation or people, not the building. The word for a meeting house is sinagoga in Greek & beit knesset in Jewish vernacular, but non-Jews use the Anglicised rendering of it into "synagogue" as pertaining only to Jews, when it is just a generic term applying the meeting place of any group or people, but not "church." Incense, altars, priestly vestments and headwear were all done away with, yet we see them in Christian services, which definitely was not a part of the disciples & the first early Jews' church. The saints of God are all one without any special titles and we don't need any marble edifices. 🙃

Hi- never claimed to be any sort of traditional Roman rite- This is the Traditional Rite as per the rubrics of the Polish National Catholic Church...not Protestant amigo!

Hi! Thanks for the comment. That is correct! However, it has become more of a pious practice rather than a "rule". I hate to say it is cost-related/effort-related, but the whole triple-washing of each item has made other fabrics predominant.

@@st.maryspnccinparmaoh4656 mind you, I only learnt this recently after watching Monsignor Perez (God rest his soul). I agree, the cost of linen is high. God Bless.

Thank you - God was and will continue to be glorified!

Many thanks!

Glad you enjoyed it! Peace be with you

A beautiful service. Viewed it on T.V.

Well, some cassocks have the collar built in, some don't. I almost always am in a clergy shirt when I am about to vest and, well, would rather not take it off to wear something else.

A few times in the Old Testament vestments are spoken of. Exodus chapter 39 speaks in depth of the priestly garments...and as it is quite clearly a Judeo-Christian faith in practice, the very act of wearing adorned garments continues what was prescribed in the service of our Lord. No, It is not one of Jesus' commandments and no, the apostles probably didn't wear vestments...but certainly the early Christian priests did.

@@st.maryspnccinparmaoh4656 Great, you gave an example for Judaism. As you know, that was the old and "nailed to the cross". Where is the authority in the New under Christianity?

Judaism wasn't what was nailed to the cross...it makes little sense to turn a blind eye to Christian history. Catholicism...or, what was nearly the entirety of Christianity for the preponderance of its existence...has continually evolved from Judaism with the reality of a realized Messiah.

@@st.maryspnccinparmaoh4656 So if Judaism is still in effect then when do you sacrifice animals for your sins? We can't be under both laws. The old law is obsolete and replaced by the new. Heb 8:13

Hi- just a little context- it is considered and titled "Traditional Rite" within the Rites of the Polish National Catholic Church. It is titled from within our denomination's time frame.

They kept a little of the old foot prayers. It's reverent and serene.

Great question- the shape has changed so much due to cost of fabric, climate, ease of arm movement. As long as it reflects the call of scripture of a "yoke upon the shoulders", covering each shoulder...the designs seem to evolve every century or so 😊

Not quite amigo- check yourself! And good stab at emojis-for-effect 👍

@@st.maryspnccinparmaoh4656 actually very true this organization is not in union with Rome period.

Interesting point- In some places, this may be true, but not all. Many parishes now have very little-to-no Polish presence within the parish anymore. A liturgist would argue the PNC liturgy is a mix of the post Vatican 2 liturgy and the pre-Tridentine...

Definitely not a Roman Catholic - and don't forget that prelates often, well, do what they want, depending on what styles they like. Unless Pope Francis tells them that lace is reserved for wives at home.

An interesting denomination, right? Small, which has plusses and minuses - protected from the over-governing of larger denominations, parishes choose their own fates if nearing tough decisions. God bless you for taking the time to watch.

Thanks - and we miss you!

i put it in 2x speed btw

Good morning....whelp, 3 months later. Unless given a special permission from the Bishop-Ordinary, the answer is no- presence matters in the Church. God bless your day!

Merry Christmas- so nice to hear this. WMass always holds a special place in my heart.

Polish National Catholic- not Protestant

Merry Christmas to you!

It is called a missal stand, some people call it an altar stand.

Thx u Fr

​@@st.maryspnccinparmaoh4656must it be wood or can a metal one be used?

It all depends on what Catholic era and area you think the word "traditional" applies to, Zeus...

Amen! And this coming Sunday's readings are as challenging as these were beautiful.

No. Only priest and alter serves may wear a cassock or surplus. Then, only the priest wears the white clerical collar. When they say “choir dress” it’s because that’s what priest would wear in choir during the old Latin days.

@@Alextheawesification Thanks A lot for the info, Mr. Gibson :). Meanwhile I literally do see lay woman at the novus ordo in choir wearing a cassock and surplice, and trust me they're not altar serving/servers

We've cultivated our own practices in the Polish National Catholic Church...but please remember that oftentimes, regional practices take precedent...like the white cassocks for clergy of the sunniest areas

Interesting comment- obviously, scripture said nothing about the apostles wearing vestments. But that random quote from 2Kings...we know that Jewish worship called for proper vesture and many of the earliest Christians continued a Judeo-Christian path of worship...the worshippers of Baal using vestments in his worship was an ancient "trolling" of those who held them in high honor...kinda like you trolling this video with that comment and weaponizing the Word of God 😀

golden vesmants and fancy fringes go back to the old testament its biblical we catholics follow scripture

Great question! Like you said, of course opinion varies on this. I'm of the belief that we have Ritual for a reason- it has been prayed over, it has been studied, it has been argued over. Ritual is important! But, not as important as a Sacrament- and if we believe that the Sacrament of Holy Orders grants the ability to bless, then it's very difficult to argue against a blessing... Even if that blessing has now become a sacramental and not a Sacrament!

Good bless everyone 🙏