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My life is a series of episodes of me hitting my head against the wall and calling myself a dumbass.

You are so right! Rolling was a disaster. Brought my turbine home and sprayed the deck boards.

I know enough to not justify hiring a deck builder, but damn I’m not sure it would have been a bad thing.👍

I admire your ambition but that sounds like a ton of work. I’ll just unscrew, regap, and screw back down.

No shit. The boards were incredibly wet and I gapped to 3/16 and that was clearly a mistake. Lesson learned.

I didn’t know they sold a “pre dried “ treated product. I bought cedar for the two lower decks.

@@ModernWoodRunner Kiln dried wood products are great 👍

Noted!

I coated them with Cabot Australian oil but it doesn’t seem like it worked all that great.

The gaps are .25 to .50!!! Totally unacceptable.

True that but I did three levels and this one looks like absolute garbage. I’m going to pull the boards up, now that they’re dry, and regap. Not ideal but necessary.👍

I considered that but just can’t get over how “fake” composites look. I completely agree with the general benefits of composites though.

Totally! But I make more furniture then most, rebuilt the kitchen, the great room, an entire three tiered deck and run a manufacturing company….my wife wasn’t too bothered by it.😂

Nice one haha, my wife wouldn’t be to happy

​@@ModernWoodRunner it was a penis joke

No shit!😂. The delivery was literally dripping with copper liquid.

when you care about what you build, that mentality doesnt apply

Yeah, but it looks goofy with those large gaps.

That’s what I’m going to do. Thanks for the wisdom.

Good to know. Thanks for the feedback.

It’s insane how wet those board were!

Wish I’d known that. Guess I’m pulling the boards up and doing it again. Thanks for the input.

Talk about making lemonade! Guess I’m pulling these boards up and regapping this deck.

I topcoated with Cabot Australian oil but clearly didn’t work well.

Just a few??? Which ones?

Sounds about right-that’s what I’m gonna do.

@@artnovak3259 The ones with the the largest gaps on one side. Sure, he could take them all off and put them down again or change to cedar, but that's a lot of labour.

Trim router just makes a cleaner hole but yes, hole saws work great if you can cover the rough cut.

I know, but I don’t like it. I’m going to unscrew, move the boards and close the gaps. Lesson learned.

@@ModernWoodRunnersorry bud that’s just how lumber is. If you don’t like the gaps you gotta get a different material.

It’s a grizzly polar bear double bag 3hp DC. It works pretty good but not perfect.

If you say so.

It just Natural.

Yeah….most RUclips watchers would. I made the money to buy this wild house by making furniture and high gloss lacquering it. Traditional stained grade furniture and cabinets aren’t very profitable unless you have a great brand behind it.

@@ModernWoodRunner yah i bought a new house this year and been wanting more older style or more detailed furniture and its so hard to find. Its been frustrating everything is being sold as white with other colores getting discontinued. We ended up buying light colored furniture and painting it.

I’m crying to! The wife “hates” dark woods and wants a painted finish. Gotta keep the wife happy.😊

Started using 3 axis in 2001 and 5axis a couple years later. How many years have you used a pin router?

I created a rubbing of the original pattern, from a vintage Espana chest, and used it to recreate the pattern on a piece of .25 MDF. I have the complete build video on my channel: Building The Iconic Dorothy Draper Espana Chest

Dorothy Draper literally invented the interior design industry. That pattern is the first piece she created for the Spanish government.

You are absolutely correct, a cheap CNC can be built or purchased relatively easily these days. I will submit this to you: read a book called, The Glass Cage. It’s a book about how automation is making people complacent and dumber. And, I made my jigs by hand. It’s possible to make nice complex shapes and jigs if you haven’t forgotten woodworking 101z

Thats cool! And yes, I've always seen the value of CNC routers. Unfortunately, CNC take up so much space and require a large set of skills that aren't necessarily native to woodworkers. All things being equal, the CNC is so versatile and in high-speed production is almost required today. However, a pin router is actually a better tool for furniture makers and smaller shops with limited space. Truth is CNC routers take a ton of power, which most people don't have, require vacuum pumps (yes you can use DS tape or pins in some cases) but that's more power, and a general understanding of CAD and CAM software. A pin router requires 220 power, 4x4 footprint, and some jig making knowledge....that's it.

@@ModernWoodRunner It sounds like you've been avoiding CNC because you've been told scary stories, or you're just really, really committed to the pin router. You don't need vacuum pumps or anything. You can use deck screws if you want. With your drawer fronts I'd just use standard t-track clamps (you CNC your own and use 1/4-20 bolts). They don't take a ton of power. Mine uses a Hitachi M12VC, and the controller requires less than that: my 4 stepper drives run on a 900W power supply. A CNC also doesn't need to be a certain size. The drive mechanics are all the same, size is irrelevant. You can make it 8" x 8" if you like. IMO, the home shop CNC isn't for high-speed production, or even "real" woodworking. My TS still gets most of my attention. What CNC does is removes all the templating and jigging you usually have to do. I wouldn't use CNC for drawer fronts, I'd still use the TS and table router. If I were doing designs on the fronts like you show, I'd make much more elegant, multi-depth V or ballnose carvings. I think FrankMakes' use of CNC is similar to that of the typical home-gamer, except he refuses to make signs. When your friends and neighbors know you have a CNC, they all want signs, and you usually end up making them.

That “scrap”’sells for $4k plus. I’ve owned my own business for a long time. You should watch some of my other shorts and videos….life is good.👍

More than one way to skin a cat. The pin router is old technology but woodworking technology moves slow. Try one out.

There’s some great information there! You should check out my channel. I make a ton of different furniture and show you how to make it.

I took it more as there are cheaper alternatives if a cnc is outside your budget. Though small cnc are getting pretty inexpensive and that looks to be delta pin router which in itself isn’t a very cheap machine.

@@SurelyLightFoot A CNC router can handle multiple tasks though. Versatility is key especially if you have limited space.

You can’t create complex shapes? Isn’t that woodworking 101? French curve, protractor and a compass are cheap!

@@ModernWoodRunner Except you can really easily design those shapes digitally, iterate on them, much simpler that having to carve it out, and then copy it with a pin router. As a bonus you also get to work with not just wood but soft metals and almost any kind of plastic, resins, graphite blocks etc. Things all have their uses. It is disingenious to say "dont get that thing, this thing is just better". Tools serve different purposes.

@@SimonMesterI didn’t take it as much as a don’t get this tool as there are alternative cheaper options with similar results. Also you can still work all those same materials with the pin router the only difference here is the way a pattern is transferred. Material types and thicknesses are dependent on the router size and quality of cutter bits. Also you can still do your designs digitally and then just print them and cut them in the jig.

Just one vacuum pump cost way more than most pin routers. What’s your secret to a cheap CNC?

@ModernWoodRunner my cnc only uses a makita run by an arduino, so no 220 volt stuff. I just use a wet/dry vacuum from harbor freight for the dust collection.

I’ve used my pin router to make $100,000s of pieces for my business. These machines are so underrated and cheap these days.

SW nitro cellulose Lacquer

@@ModernWoodRunner which tip size? I have the GRACI HVLP also. That nitro lacquer seems to be discontinued. Any other lacquers you recommend?

That’s a good question. The point however, is that he knows where furniture is made in America. Most people have no idea how or where furniture is made, period.

Thx for adding to the conversation.

All our kids are off to college and my wife really wanted this type of deck. We have an amazing view of the Mississippi River, so a minimalist style deck works really good for us. Please send me the link you your deck project so I can see what yours looks like.

Just to clarify; in case someone is wondering, sniper rifle, I wouldn't want anyone thinking I'm a sicko...

Honestly, it’s pretty stout. The cables are very stiff. I could have went with 1/8 cable but opted for 3/16 because I wanted it to be fairly ridged, and it is.

🤔 you lost me.

@@ModernWoodRunner It's a jon steinberg joke...