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0:15:00 I didn't know we dreamed in NTSC analog video. Remember when Tektronix was a big deal in Portland?

Hmm, the US has not lived under the Modified Capitalism of The Founders since Woodrow Wilson inflicted the Marxist Tax System on The US over 100 years ago, then The Founders international trade system was removed gradually after WW II, for Marxist "free trade". So, the Capitalism Le Guin refers to was highly influenced by Marx from 1949 on, with the usual loss of the middle class predicted by Marx in his well-known 1848 “On the Question of Free Trade” speech. A discussion of the state of Oregon, USA. Portland Oregon has made shoplifting essentially legal up $1000.00 - bankrupting many small businesses and driving out large ones, the city has a huge population of homeless living on the streets - robbing people and conducting occasional riots. People expect state and local governments to provide basic Law and Order. That said; 13 of 36 counties have voted to secede from Oregon, this is very unusual in the US, and rarely seen since counties left pro slavery states during the Civil War. This secession attempt is completely serious and has been going on for years and is over half the geographical territory of Oregon. There is nothing “ambiguous” regarding being attacked and robbed on the street. Why mention this? Because Le Guin’s philosophies and political policies, appear to be thinly disguised as her SF novels. Which is fine, many SF novels and short stories contain the author’s thoughts on these topics, it is why we read them. However, Le Guin’s seem to have become dangerous to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for many Oregonians. She was active in Oregon politics for many years. The Oregon political elite seem to take her novels seriously, with disastrous results. Le Guin lived in a 19th-century house in northwest Portland, Oregon from the 1960s until her death in 2018. She wrote many of her books in her second-floor writing studio, including The Books of Earthsea, The Dispossessed, and The Left Hand of Darkness. As a Comparison and Contrast to Le Guins’s theories - particularly ‘The Dispossessed”, I would suggest further reading if not already consumed: “Anarchaos” Donald E. Westlake, “The Weapon Shops of Isher” A E van Vogt, “Watchers of The Dark” Lloyd Biggle Jr. I assume most people have read “Nineteen Eighty - Four” and “Fahrenheit 451” - find uncensored Del Rey copies of the Bradbury, 1970 and older for Orwell. Just a few and mostly pretty short!

I thought so highly of this movie that I had my company sponsor a grant to play it on our local educational channel in about 1981. in Humboldt County California I still think it is one of the best sci-fi ever written.

Great stuff.

Last time this actor played a good guy. After this he always plays evil. He's good

I saw this on PBS in 1980 also, at 17 years old!!! Never forgot it. So glad I found it here, thank you...

Pottery wheels are lathes, bow drills too...said on yt channel, "a lathe is a machine that can make machines"...cites the French inventor's lathe as the beginning of the industrial revolution...

Aladdin's Lamp..."good defeated"...😢...real while you're there...

Can't believe the negative and master tape were lost, especially using analog tape.

This movie is 45 years old and I'm Just now seeing it? Very cool plot. Wish i had seen this when I was 17 back in 1980

First there was the book by Ursula K. LeGuin, then the film you just saw. LeGuin was one of the finest sci-fi writers ever. RIP

beautiful movie. I remember watching it on PBS in portland decades ago. At that time it was the original Beatles Help From My Friends, not a copy as in this version. It was the song that keeps reminding me of this movie. Thank you for posting it.

I have not seen this movie since 1980. Mt. St. Helen's had erupted, a major tornado had destroyed large parts of Kalamazoo, Mi. It felt to me as if someone was dreaming of disasters in my world. Wow. Now, this is just an old SF movie.

I first saw this in the late 70s when I was returned to college. It struck me in a powerfully surrealistic way! The premise that the world can be modified by dream state experiences is profound!

What if we all dreamed our reality every night, and mandela effects resulted from the most effective dreams?

Every time I see this I am more impressed.

I too, watched this in 1980 on PBS. This was the only production of one of her novels that Ursula K. Le Guin endorsed/approved of...

Utilitarianism The Greatest Happiness of the Greatest Number: What Bentham Really Meant With his famous formulation of utilitarianism, Jeremy Bentham suggests moral acts are those that have the highest positive impact on the world. The good life thus depends not on ‘duty’ or ‘virtue’, but simply on making a difference.   By Jack Maden | December 2023 7-MIN BREAK In his 1776 work A Fragment On Government, the English philosopher and social reformer Jeremy Bentham puts forward his formulation for a new theory for ethics, a theory he calls utilitarianism. Famously, he writes:  It is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong. With this statement, Bentham - a self-proclaimed atheist, intent on providing a secular basis for ethics - suggests the foundation of morality doesn’t have to be some kind of divine authority, nor must it make any appeal to ‘virtue’ (whatever that may be). No: moral acts are simply those that have the highest positive impact on the world.

I've been waiting so long to be able to see this again

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Were the aliens the inspiration for the Vorlons of Babylon 5?

Now thats a good film

BRUUUUUCE!

How much of the original film was lost? I watched the film on PBS in the 80s circa

I found the paperback of this edition at a used bookstore for $11 about a year ago. I really need to dig into it soon.

My Ghu, that's the original movie! I remembered watching it on PBS. Hell of a lot better than the 2002 adaptation. It's been bookmarked and downloaded (just in case) Great to see it again. Thank you very much.

a very influential book for me!

It all comes FULL CIRCLE.. Furkle.. that's a term I seem to have come up with.. or did I go down without it.. .. ..best to just BOX OUTSIDE THE THINK..😅 -Turbofish

Portland did in fact melt down 2020 💥

I am watching it now to know what is it about 😊

I had to search George Orr or Gor Gor. Because as a kid that's what I remembered

Thank you so much for putting this movie on here. I've been thinking about this movie since I was a kid when I first saw it. When it first or shortly after it came out on television. Kept wondering why I never saw it again. Kept trying to find it. It stayed in my mind all these years. Anyway, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.

War can always be avoided. IF one is willing to be a slave.

This rendition of K. LeGuin's prescient novel in 1980 marks for me (and highlights) the transition from mathematician to actor in the same year, which was tumultuous. I only mention this because at the time of viewing this I was on the brink of dumping my dream of being a scientist and activating the dream of becoming an actor. No, I'm not implying I'm any great shakes in the acting world. It's just the synchronicity within the world of Lathe and my world that was so close, so precise; it was eerie. It still gives me chills. I'm so happy to be able to view it here now. Thankyou for posting this!!! Lathe of Heaven was the penultimate viewing experience for me.

I saw this on first run and Bruce Davison has been one of my favorite supporting actors ever since. but until this year I didn't know that Burt Lancaster advised him in 1972 to go for the supporting roles because there were a lot more of them around and he could get more $$$. Davison said it in an interview where he also did an impression of Lancaster.

You should read it now. It's so good.

This was one of my favorite SFF novels as a kid and I was happy when this came out and that they had done such a great job with it.

Turtle power! ❤

Born in 93 never saw this before today I most say though the movies of today are lacking a certain psychological authenticity and creativity that clearly existed in the past. A joy to see.

Fantastic. Thanks are not enough!

A very good movie for those with the patience. The Fort Worth Water Garden was also in Logan's Run..

I so happy when the DVD became available. Something about having to secure music rights., I think.

I find her choice of surname for the character Haber interesting. The famous chemist Fritz Haber can be remembered as someone who did someone wonderful for humanity, with his discovery of the Haber process for manufacturing ammonia, yet also as someone whose invention of poison gas for warfare is horrifying. It is hard to say the ends justify the means, when both ends and means are dubious.

This is the kind of slow, trippy, enigmatic, and atmospheric show I like!

5:48 getting on the elevator man with mustache might be actor who played Luke Skywalker's friend.

listening to this interview in 2024 & in struck by how articulate & intelligent the host is. you don't see interviews like this nowadays

Just finished reading the book. Funny enough, there were a lot of moments from the book that I thought would be fantastic to see on the big screen. I’m excited to watch this, even if it’s a bit dated.

I think the end water feature shot was taken at Dallas council building and was also used in the film Logans run as well.

There's a change here from the original version. They got in trouble because they used a Beatles song without permission. When it was released later, it's someone else covering the song, "a little help from my friends." But it's not the actual Beatles. The original broadcast had the actual Beatles song.

Homophobe Bill Maher, such a hypocrit