Via Google: Star Trek: First Contact is estimated to take place in the year 2373, after the cease-fire in "Apocalypse Rising" but before the reinstatement of the Khitomer Accords in "By Inferno's Light". The placement of the movie in the DS9 timeline is based on a few factors, including: The stardate of First Contact would place it near the end of 2373, around the time of the episode "Children of Time" The movie is referenced in the DS9 episode "In Purgatory's Shadow" Worf is still wearing the House of Mogh emblem in First Contact, which indicates that the events of the movie take place before the reinstatement of the Khitomer Accords
It was reversal of fortunes from when Picard told Worf he was letting his emotions from past experience with the Romulans affect his judgement. It was a good full circle moment.
I actually think Picard is either lying through his teeth or otherwise bending the truth by saying "some." He damn well knew that even if his history with the Borg didn't influence his decisions (and they very well could have), he was absolutely putting the ship above the lives of basically everyone on board. A captain goes down with his ship, he doesn't drag everyone else with him. And in admitting Worf's bravery, he's affirming that without needing to say it. And even with that, even with just that small leverage Picard gave to him, Worf instantly accepted him. Absolute trust in your comrades.
I really liked the way worf said ‘some’ when Picard apologised to him, in my opinion one of the best sci fi films made wether you like Star Trek or not.
Later Worf would lose the ship, but say it wasn't his fault. The guy is so willingly to blow it up and run away. And how exactly did he think that a Klingon would be able to live on Earth in that time period?
Bullshit apology from Picard. He calls Worf a coward in front of his peers. He should have apologized the same way. Worf should have kicked the shit out of him.
Dorn was so good in this scene. The look of utter disbelief when Picard said he was afraid that was quickly replaced by the fiery scowl as he delivered the "kill you where you stand!" line was damn good acting.
The human element, wonderfully displayed here, is what makes Star Trek so good. Great scenes. Great characters. Can't believe this is almost THIRTY YEARS OLD already.
Worf is hands down my favorite TNG character. The tongue biting bull in the china shop is so relatable. Picard knew that he went too far here. The only thing that probably saved him was his standing with Worf before the Klingon High Council.
I like how Worf's hand so quickly rose to meet Picard's. That subtle bit, to me, showed just how willing to forgive he was. Eager even. But like most comments have said, yeah, he needed that statement addressed.
Everyone talks about how Picard's words sting so much in this clip, and rightfully so of course, but a more subtle touch is how much Worf triggers Picard with his "I believe you are allowing your personal experience with the Borg to influence your judgment" remark. You can see a coldness and quiet anger in Picard's eyes after that, and in a rare moment of immaturity, he lashes out with the most hurtful insult he can think of because he hates that he's been called out on his trauma. Deep down, he's never gotten over what happened in "Best of Both Worlds," and he hates that the Borg still have a hold over him all these years later. And then he hates that someone else recognizes it and calls him on it.
STTNG gave me such an unrealistic expectation of how adults should talk to each other and settle their differences. I wish this was how human beings really did act. That apology from Picard just shows that no matter your rank or social standing that friendships matter more than orders and personal agendas.
Worf using his experience from his time aboard DS9 to full effect; He knows when someone is in the wrong, and when that someone is causing issues. He puts his foot down and calls them out on it.
Worf disgraced himself, leaving his commanding officer alone to save the Enterprise. There should have been a scene at the end wherein Worf and Picard addressed that.
This is such an outrage by Picard. In Worf's culture surrender is regarded as dishonorable so by suggesting to abandon the ship he is making a considerable cultural compromise. Calling him a coward in return and thereby insulting him in the worst possible way in his culture is just despicable.
It's interesting that to save face, like a Klingon, Picard has done the right thing by Worf by saying 'regret'. Picard must now spend a long time acting honourably and both must support each other to make up for the insult. Worf, in respect, would also do this. Both cultures recognise that to test and thereby prove a friendship or command structure almost to destruction is proof of it's enduring strength.
Was worf doing the honorable thing & not kill picard , or was the honorable thing not killing picard & trying to save lives
What episode is this ??? I’m sure I’ve seen them all, at least once, but this scene just doesn’t look familiar.
In the timeline where does this fall in with DS9?
Via Google: Star Trek: First Contact is estimated to take place in the year 2373, after the cease-fire in "Apocalypse Rising" but before the reinstatement of the Khitomer Accords in "By Inferno's Light". The placement of the movie in the DS9 timeline is based on a few factors, including: The stardate of First Contact would place it near the end of 2373, around the time of the episode "Children of Time" The movie is referenced in the DS9 episode "In Purgatory's Shadow" Worf is still wearing the House of Mogh emblem in First Contact, which indicates that the events of the movie take place before the reinstatement of the Khitomer Accords
Sometimes the true hero is he who has the courage to run away
It was reversal of fortunes from when Picard told Worf he was letting his emotions from past experience with the Romulans affect his judgement. It was a good full circle moment.
I love M.R. James ghost stories.
imho Picard is the best character in all of star trek. Probably because Stewart is such a phenomenal actor
On Discovery, Picard's apology would have been a 5-minute monologue recounting how much Worf meant to him, ending in tears and hugs.
1:10 no you didn't mean that...
I actually think Picard is either lying through his teeth or otherwise bending the truth by saying "some." He damn well knew that even if his history with the Borg didn't influence his decisions (and they very well could have), he was absolutely putting the ship above the lives of basically everyone on board. A captain goes down with his ship, he doesn't drag everyone else with him. And in admitting Worf's bravery, he's affirming that without needing to say it. And even with that, even with just that small leverage Picard gave to him, Worf instantly accepted him. Absolute trust in your comrades.
I really liked the way worf said ‘some’ when Picard apologised to him, in my opinion one of the best sci fi films made wether you like Star Trek or not.
thismovie was so genious
"If you were any other man i would kill you where you stand" Even sisko?
@1:11 everytime a homie says some audacious shit like not getting more beer
So he loves her and cares for her, and she repays by haunting him to death?
This whole thing could have been prevented if they replicated some Shotguns and Wheelgats .The Borg can not adapt to those .
Shields block physical projectiles too
Any other man wouldn't have been able to finish that sentence
And noone of the junior staff will be remembered but the ship.
Later Worf would lose the ship, but say it wasn't his fault. The guy is so willingly to blow it up and run away. And how exactly did he think that a Klingon would be able to live on Earth in that time period?
He said "If you were any other man I would KILL YOU where you stand." -when Worf says something like this, it's no idle threat! (Just ask Gowron!)
Bullshit apology from Picard. He calls Worf a coward in front of his peers. He should have apologized the same way. Worf should have kicked the shit out of him.
Dorn was so good in this scene. The look of utter disbelief when Picard said he was afraid that was quickly replaced by the fiery scowl as he delivered the "kill you where you stand!" line was damn good acting.
i don't play with boys..............
Still one of my fave ST scenes ever. It's so intense when Worf squares up to Picard.
We should all be like Worf
The human element, wonderfully displayed here, is what makes Star Trek so good. Great scenes. Great characters. Can't believe this is almost THIRTY YEARS OLD already.
"If you were any other man I would KILL you where you stand!" LOL
Worf is hands down my favorite TNG character. The tongue biting bull in the china shop is so relatable. Picard knew that he went too far here. The only thing that probably saved him was his standing with Worf before the Klingon High Council.
Only Crusher can get away with chastising the captain by his first name in the middle of a heated argument.
I like how Worf's hand so quickly rose to meet Picard's. That subtle bit, to me, showed just how willing to forgive he was. Eager even. But like most comments have said, yeah, he needed that statement addressed.
Worf: If you were any other man, I'd kill you where you stand. *Sisko has entered the chat* Worf: Oh shit...
Everyone talks about how Picard's words sting so much in this clip, and rightfully so of course, but a more subtle touch is how much Worf triggers Picard with his "I believe you are allowing your personal experience with the Borg to influence your judgment" remark. You can see a coldness and quiet anger in Picard's eyes after that, and in a rare moment of immaturity, he lashes out with the most hurtful insult he can think of because he hates that he's been called out on his trauma. Deep down, he's never gotten over what happened in "Best of Both Worlds," and he hates that the Borg still have a hold over him all these years later. And then he hates that someone else recognizes it and calls him on it.
Would have been a better apology in public since the insult took place there.
Fake
Of course! All sci-fi and fantasy movies are fake. 🤦♂
The finest achievement of tension and perfection
1968 is a slow burn, slow build of tension, and the dream sequence is tops for nightmare imagery.
I love that Worf's face is still plastered with fury even though he knows an apology is coming 😂 you can even see him snarl as he says "some."
1.13 to be fair I kind of think Picard knew he bit off more than he could chew when wolf told him what was up
That was some sweet ass acting...
STTNG gave me such an unrealistic expectation of how adults should talk to each other and settle their differences. I wish this was how human beings really did act. That apology from Picard just shows that no matter your rank or social standing that friendships matter more than orders and personal agendas.
Fastest non-apology ever.
Starfleet captain respected throughout the galaxy who’s pretty much seen and done it all: “…I think you’re the bravest man I’ve ever known.” 😍🥹
Worf using his experience from his time aboard DS9 to full effect; He knows when someone is in the wrong, and when that someone is causing issues. He puts his foot down and calls them out on it.
Worf disgraced himself, leaving his commanding officer alone to save the Enterprise. There should have been a scene at the end wherein Worf and Picard addressed that.
"if you were any other man i would kill you where you stand". This is the answer to any question anyone asks me, ever. 🤣😂
I was so relieved when he apologized, thats not a seed of resentment you want festering while living in an isolated community
Michael Dorn. What a fantastic and undersung actor.
This is such an outrage by Picard. In Worf's culture surrender is regarded as dishonorable so by suggesting to abandon the ship he is making a considerable cultural compromise. Calling him a coward in return and thereby insulting him in the worst possible way in his culture is just despicable.
This made this movie a great one
Raymond Conlon. Picard says that he "regrets"; regretting something is not an "apology".
It's interesting that to save face, like a Klingon, Picard has done the right thing by Worf by saying 'regret'. Picard must now spend a long time acting honourably and both must support each other to make up for the insult. Worf, in respect, would also do this. Both cultures recognise that to test and thereby prove a friendship or command structure almost to destruction is proof of it's enduring strength.