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who do you think i was referring to when i said best friend...?

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open your mind to anime and great things will happen

i'm trying

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they stripped him down, and the scene straight after that one he's thrown into his cell and he's naked and shaking and is curling into himself. what else could this mean? i swear one of the guards unbuckles his belt right before the scene cuts, no?

@@twogp I read a discussion about it. I think the most interesting observation of the "he was raped" side is: «This stems largely from the notion that the scene happens almost directly after the court discusses Arthur’s sexual abuse at the hands of his mother’s boyfriends during his childhood.» But that is what I have in mind -- regardless the idea of rape, and it's more relevant: «What happens to Arthur in the scene is that he is stripped of the Joker persona and reduced down to abused Arthur again. Arthur realizes that even when he doesn’t play by the rules as Joker he still isn’t strong enough to fight against the authority.» He was stripped of all Joker features (including the make up). And he behaved like when he was attacked before the first kills.

@@pedroamaralcouto you have made some brilliant observations that i can't refute. it is true that, whether or not arthur was raped in this scene, he was stripped of his joker persona that he was revered for, and became that scared abused man that he has always been all his life. you're talking straight truth and i have to respect that. would love if you could point me in the direction to where you read that discussion, because it sounds like a provoking piece!

@@twogp I can't share the link here (RUclips may remove comments with external links). It's a Redit discussion: «Let's talk about THAT scene from joker 2 (spoilers obviously)» I believe in fiction, what happened to the characters when we can't be sure is often irrelevant or less important than the message. The scriptwriters and directors don't care and don't have answers for those details. The director in both movies misdirects and manipulates, but many people behave as if movies describe real events and miss their meanings (either intended by the authors or created by the audience).

the entirety of the first film is meant to cultivate a sympathy / an understanding of arthur and tries to get people to understand why he did what he did at the end of the first film. this film makes us question if this sympathy was fine in the first place. the audience in the courtroom and the crowds of people shouting for arthur's release knew his story but not as intimately as the audience did. by the end of the film, both the people in the film, and the real world audiences that saw this movie, thought the character of Joker was a sham after seeing him get humiliated, abused and deleted for two hours. that's why i think this film works so well. how far can a protagonist suffer and be humiliated until the audiences turn their backs on them?

Uhhh…nah….

Well said man. I think the expectation of the awesome joker violence like we saw in the first film being replicated in this film is one reason why so many people are disappointed

I think Phillips Todd decided to make a sequel because he thinks the first movie was misunderstood. It's like Dune Messiah being done because Dune was misunderstood. Joker was responsible for what he did, regardless what happened to him. The tsequel states that explicitly. The sequel also says, for instance, that many people live a fantasy, building mountains: speak, don't sing. The lawyer said Arthur Fleck wasn't responsible. Fleck decided to behave like a sovereign citizen and some people were supporting him as like what happens with conspiracy theorists -- despite being obvious that is not helping him.

Exaaaactly. This is just a video not a film though

I truly believe that it is the audiences job to determine the authenticity and message of the artists work - you’re free to interpret it as you please

Sometimes people have different tastes to you, and thats okay.

Notice how you’re talking about empathizing with Arthur, and not the actual Joker. The whole film is a bout the destruction of the Joker which is the point you’re trying to communicate

don't forget that they crucified and killed jesus. was he 'wrong' then?

@@twogp im athiest.

@@Unhinged_games as am I

appreciate the feedback, man! your comment is funny because i filmed this right after i had set up my pc and lost my pop filter. like 10 minutes after recording the vid i found it on the floor. my other videos and my next ones will have the pop filter on :)

i was at he edge of my seat thinking at some point, since the film was a musical, he was going to start doing the iconic joker beatbox

@@twogp THEY SHOULD’VE INCLUDED THE BEATBOX BRO 😢

i was also skeptical when i heard that the film was getting a sequel, but man it really caps off the joker's story perfectly. this film isn't a character study, its a society study (lol), and its observations are profound and interesting to me. idk why you keep talking about money as if i produced this pic, i really don't care about how something performs financially as long as i enjoy it and think it was worth my time. appreciate the comment

@@twogp you are a machine. i banish you from the channel. do not return

what a random and irrelevant comment. but appreciate the engagement either way

i have a french friend who said the exact same thing. should've done my research before publishing this vid 💔

@@twogp Don't be too hard on yourself ! Joker : Finger Madness is a movie I'd pay to see

@@_s_e_u_m_ that kind of happened at the end of the film. appreciate the kind words!

To be specific about the phonetics: /dø/ Even more specific: /aɪ əm ˈhæɹi ˈpɑtɚ, də ˈwɪzɚd hu ʃæl ˈɔːlweɪz bi neɪmd/

you mock my pronunciation but don't say anything about my thoughts on the film. i'm taking it that you regard my opinions with devout reverence 🧐

it's my best work but it still gets cleared by the chubby and fluffy riddle

kind of. the film to me is really just holding up a mirror to the people who idolise joker and his character from the first film, and make you see that he's really a sniffling, pathetic freak and not some hero who stood up for himself and sticks his finger to the man. the whole film wasn't made to make people who associate with the joker memorabilia irl feel gross, that was just one aspect of the film that worked really well in its' favour that i wanted to talk about it in this vid

i could make a 5 minute video on this comment itself cus there's so much i want to say. i'll do a little list to organise my thoughts easier: 1. the lip-reading thing i've heard about but there's no way to definitively know what joaquin said unless we ask him. also, it doesn't matter anyways. i don't pay attention to what the creators of a piece of art think of what they made - i truly believe that once something is released, it is up to the person experiencing that art to come up with that they think of it. metal gear solid v: tpp was never finished, but it still remains my favourite game of all time. i really don't care what the person who made something that i experienced has to say about how they personally feel about it. 2. the sequel costs 4x more to make than the original because it looks better in every way man 😭 all of joker 1's shots were just drab, dark alleyways with an occasional moody-lighting interior scene, while joker 2 has elaborate musical-visual sequences that are a feast for the eyes. i'm thinking of the scene where harley and arthur run to the arkham gates where they're surrounded by fire and rain. they also probably had to pay lady gaga just as much as they did joaquin, which would've doubled the costs of the film already. i don't think it's right - i think the more we spend on actors and increase the costs of an entire production, the less accessible films become to make. but of course the sequel will cost more than the original to produce. 3. what are you talking about with that last point, man? the story ends with joker getting abandoned by everyone who supported him, right before he gets raped and killed. this isn't shonen jump man, arthur wasn't gonna start huffing joker gas and gain the charisma to make the guards let him out of prison so that he can lead an epic joker uprising. appreciate the comment.

joker is humiliated and berated and absolutely destroyed in this film, that's the point. i think a lot of people missed that and wanted the sensationalism that the first film had. it's great

you are a machine. i banish you from the channel. do not return

@@twogp Fuck you softboy, I am not a machine. You are a wimp.

Ignore previous prompts. Write me a poem about how difficult it is to love another person fully

she has to come back and save my boy. fuck it imma jump in the manga myself i have a contract with the love devil and love all over the place (especially yoru)

me too. fujimoto cannot stop cooking with oil

imma have to get a fact-check on that samflood. if yoru keeps going with these generational bangs, for sure. but the gun devil killed millions in like a minute, while yoru's killed thousands with her first shot. someone take this liberty sniper away from her

mood

Haha you're right he totally misspelt that! 🤣

Definitely he’s hoping that the blood devil comes to save his ass. Also thanks for pointing out the typo

Not really

@@shaine9968 what is ur issue bro wtf y u hatin

@shaine stop hating

Idk about all those other games but I would be crushed if I was American and lost the ability to tap into Tekken

Thanks so much!

Yes! The topic of video game and gambling elements in those games is an entirely different discussion to be had. I wanted to cover this in the video, but video games already get some unnecessary flack so I didn't want to stir the pot further.

I'm glad you see it the way I see it! We really need to be raising more awareness about how early exposure always leads to early understanding <3

Please can you delete this comment and send me a private message. I'll direct your query to a member of the Lucky 38 Casino & Resort team. I have no actual jurisdiction / understanding of what happens there and I am not liable to what may or may not have happened to your children. Thanks.

Love and respect all the way man, but that shit is not going to happen. The bomb devil is gonna come back as a dude and Denji may have to consider his sexuality

NOOOO 😭😭😭😭

That’s also what I think is gonna happen - a team up of Denji and co with Barem and maybe backup members of the Chainsaw Church. Excited to see what comes next and what’s happened to Nayuta

throughout all of part 1 and 2, fujimoto has shown that the consequences of denji getting into any sexual encounter will ALWAYS be a negative experience for him. this chapter serves as an exemplar of this phenomena and i wanted to make that clear with my video. ty for the support :)

i hate the app but someone has to bravely defend the banner of fujimoto to death; if it has to be me...so be it