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@@Nerooxidus hahaha yeah suuuuuuure!

6.5 DBAD - 'Don't be a Dick' it goes along with the having patience :)

@@TheIncredibleHuls Absolutely! So many people forget that it's not the players versus the DM, and that kind of dynamic can ruin the game for some

@mattlazer902 I absolutely agree. It'll see more play then the 2014 version because of some of the changes, but not by allot. I do believe the class over all is better better than the 2014 version but that is a very low standard to beat

@The_RealWilliam that's fair. The barbarian kinda got left in the dust back then though.

@solowolf7418 they are trying to be balanced but unfortunately the developers are being a bit overzealous in some areas

That's not a bad idea, but they really wanted you to have the ability to use it as many times as you wanted without having to worry about how many uses you have left.

@@NorseDungeonMaster they could have perhaps done proficiency bonus times per long rest for free and then allowed them to sacrifice sneak attack dice for more. Or maybe made it so that a specific cunning strike was free PB times per long rest depending subclass. So assassin would get the poisoned attacks one etc. Their damage is just a bit lacking and I don't feel that giving up sneak damage for many of the strikes is really worth it. They could have given out an extra sneak damage dice at levels 5, 10, 15 and 20, and it would have been fine. It just feels like they don't understand that rogues still need to be able to do damage, and their old skill monkey traits are being walked all over by pretty much every other class now.

@@cronykil74 Oh I don't disagree with you at all. However I don't see cunning strike getting too much use regardless because in my mind the only thing worth using in that tool kit is knocking the target prone so all the other melee fighters get to attack the target with advantage

@@justinacosta6212 hahaha I believe it

@DesmondDentresti Thanks for the input! Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by double diping of the scaling, but at 7th level you nonlinear have access to the 1.5x the rogue level and it becomes just 2x. And at the 14th level you lose access to the 2x damage and it becomes just 3x. The way I understand what you said was that I made it sound like it's 3x the rogue level plus 2x the rogue level plus 1.5x the rogue level. Please correct me if I'm wrong on my understanding

@@NorseDungeonMaster By double dipping on scaling, I mean you would already be adding 15 damage per level, but at 7th and 14th you are getting even MORE damage retroactively for each previous level as well as each new one. If you just had 1.5x level damage per turn for 1 minute (10 turns) from 3rd level to 20th, it scales from 45 - 300 damage. But at 7th level yours also goes from 90 to 140 damage, that's a spike of 35 more damage instead of the previous 15. And at 14th level it spikes again from 260 to 420 damage and maxes out at 600 Poison damage over 1 minute as a 20th level character.

@DesmondDentresti ah I understand now. But to be fair in the cases of Assassination poisons are meant to be lethal the DoT makes it so that other players have a chance to make themselves useful just. Plus you have a small amount of applications allowed and on top of that it can still be removed by a cast of lesser restoration. Maybe the damage is a bit much I can't know for sure until I see the new stat blocks in the new monster manual

@kevinsmith9139 this appears to be the general consensus. And yea I agree the fact they they were force to dash was dumb. Honestly if my players were having a hard time I used to make the undead trip before they could get too far away lol

@TheSLATEcleaner thanks for this insight. I haven't watched the monk video yet. It's the next one on my list though. As of right now I'm not comparing classes with other classes that will come when I have the new PHB in hand so I can do all the research I need to do. I'm only comparing new rogue to old rogue. And in that comparison I do believe, in my opinion of course, the the new one is better. Even if only barely

Yes! The artificer is soo much fun but the flintlock pistol and rifle are soo expensive

@@NorseDungeonMaster I can kinda imagine

@nickanderson55 2.5 hours of play and I still can't afford them lol

@@NorseDungeonMaster I’d imagine that the price should be around that of a high level crossbow with a smoke power bomb

@@Staff7 I personally love the changes to the bard, but I am biased in that to be fair. And I haven't looked at the monk yet. That is going to be the next class I go over

@@NorseDungeonMaster fair but they can do skills are full casters with almost no spell limitations on what they can learn, the valor bard will be better then many pure martials.

@DesmondDentresti I like the majority of the changes as well. There are some changes I like, but they don't really fit with the subclass they were put into. As for Assassination was something I was always able to easily utilize by constantly sneaking around and being able to attack before combat began. If the enemy creatures can't see you then combat cannot initiate. That's how I always interpreted the rules as written at least. Though assassin's getting advantage on the initiative roll does make sense too

@@NorseDungeonMaster You have played a house ruled game. A very common house rule to let the aggressor act before combat is even established. And thank god you did otherwise you would be as frustrated as I am. RAW in 2014 PHB, when you declare your intent to enter combat, or something declares its intent to attack you, initiative is rolled. You don't get to attack outside of combat in 5e and the first step of combat is always initiative. You check if a creature could be surprised when rolling Initiative. They stop being surprised after they take a turn in initiative. So in Adventurers League, to do what you did. You first roll stealth, beat the passive perception of all your enemies (if you didnt, no surprise for you to use as they heard you coming). This includes all your allies. So better hope the Fighter wearing full plate with a +0 to Stealth rolling disadvantage is too far away to be counted as relevant to the encounter. Or maybe they just roll two incredible dice. Even after sneaking in... Assassin: I draw my bow and fire. DM: Roll initiative. Assassin: I got a total of 17. DM: The Necromancer rolled a natural 16 + 2 for dex, 18. DM: I go first then and for the necromancer's turn, he is Surprised, he cant take actions but turns to the entrance of the chamber, and says "I swear I closed that door for the ritual." That ends his turn, he is no longer surprised and it is now your turn, Assassin. Assassin: So I am hidden- wait, he isn't surprised any more... Why does it work this way? No idea. Maybe it was always played using the rules of an older edition because the DMs at WotC felt overconfident they didnt have to look up the rule, or didnt care to play RAW. "It worked fine how I remember it, so lets do that" is how a lot of D&D players transitioning editions play for the first few weeks. But thats the reality of how it was designed. Reality sucked.

@DesmondDentresti Whenever I see it ruled that way it's never made sense to me. In the real world a combat scenario wouldn't start without both parties knowing their enemy is in the same vicinity as them, preferences within some form of line of sight. I'd have to double check the rules, as it's been roughly 10 years since I read the rules revolving around the start of combat, but I don't think it specifies that combat automatically starts when an unseen entity wants to attack something. However I am not perfect and cannot remember every minute detail so you may very well be right

@@NorseDungeonMaster Yeah, Surprise is a mechanic INSIDE of a combat encounter in 5e. Always good to double check. From the SRD, dashes indicate I have cut lines that I think dont add to the literal translation of the rules; "Combat Step by Step 1: Determine surprise. The GM determines whether anyone involved in the combat encounter is surprised. 2: Establish positions The GM decides where all the characters and monsters are located. --- 3: Roll initiative --- 4: Take turns ---" "Surprise --- The GM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the GM compares ---- Stealth ---- of anyone hiding with the ----- Perception ---- of each¹ creature on the opposing side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat² is surprised at the start of the encounter. If you’re surprised, you can’t move or take an action on your first turn of the combat, and you can’t take a reaction until that turn ends. A member of a group can be surprised even if the other members aren’t." The superscript marked 1 & 2: Here the use of 'each' and 'notice a threat' means if any individual in the encounter isnt trying to hide or hides badly, the enemy isnt surprised.

@DesmondDentresti was this copied from the book? If so this doesn't directly say that a player can't make an attack before combat is initiated. I always used surprise as a form of ambush like the party jumping out at the enemies as they walked by

@morionlomiete7735 What do you mean? Despite what WoTC has tried saying this new PHB feels like 6th edition. It will eventually become the standard no matter how much we stomp our feet and complain. So anyone who plays in adventure league will eventually have to use this. New players will more than likely want to start playing with the newest edition. No matter how much we fight it change is inevitable. Besides there is a handful of really fun sounding mechanics in all of the classes so far

@arcanerecovery2567 You didn't sound negative at all. We all have concerns about upcoming changes, and it's good to voice them. I don't get a chance to be a player very often if at all but I'll keep that in mind should I get the chance. As for what I read online there wasn't a whole lot of specifics. Basically just a cacophony of people saying the class has been nerved to unplayability and it does drastically less damage. And after watching the video I think they may have just misunderstood points

@arcanerecovery2567 I'm not so sure about the auto crit since they pointedly avoided that in this video. The advantage on initiative rolls makes sense though Arcane trickster I'm very much looking forward too with the few changes they announce. I don't really know why I just didn't have fun with it before. But hey to each their own right? Soul knife has always sounded fun to me but I've never had a chance to play it, but it definitely seems alot more fun now. And as for the thief subclass a handful of the new feats are questionable. As in they feel like they belong in the other subclasses. I got the feeling that they couldn't think of any changes to make for the thief other than the fast hands change, but they want to give it new stuff so they took things from the other 3 subclasses and shoe horned them into the thief subclass

Trading away sneak attack dice is 100% optional. I'm sure there are lots of people that won't trade away damage for effects. But it's not something you ever HAVE to do

@@NorseDungeonMaster I like the feature and the option of getting to do some more Rogue-like stuff... just not a fan of trading away SA dice. Also, if you choose not to use the feature maybe stick with the 2014 Rogue and not lose anything? Choosing not to use a feature isn't much of a choice... everyone else gets to do something with their feature and your best option is to choose not to use yours? This Rogue is way worse than what people are making out online, they are just knee-jerk reacting to what's on the surface. Just wait until they see the 'Iceberg' lurking beneath the surface.

@arcanerecovery2567 I get where you're coming from, but there are also new things that are very usable. And while giving up a sneak attack die to do something more isn't ideal poisoning or knocking your target prone could prove more useful than that extra d6 damage. They didn't specify in the video how many sneak attack dice you have to sacrifice in order to do an extra effect but it did sound like you will still be doing bonus damage. We won't really know for sure until the book comes out

@@NorseDungeonMaster Again, I agree for the most part and love the new options... tripping, poisoning, free disengage etc. I just don't want to have to trade sneak attack dice to do it. And the UA had it at 1d6 for most of the early and minor effects, 2d6 for later and more powerful effects. So yeah, they're not going to stray far from this, probably not at all.

@arcanerecovery2567 exactly and in the grand scheme of things I would argue that giving up 1d6 damage to give the Paladin/ Barbarian/ Fighter advantage by tripping your target knocking them prone opens up the possibility of WAY more damage

What more could you ask for on a magical journey?

@@NorseDungeonMaster a Twink vampire on a quest of vengeance , Gale the magical glutton a self-righteous warlock and the Hells Dommy mommy lol

@@nickanderson55 better late than never 😀

@@NorseDungeonMaster yes :D

@harryweatherford8411 correct. However the old version forced them to use the dash action so they already couldn't use other actions. Bit because they were being forced to use the dash action they couldn't be incapacitated so I didn't understand why they were saying that it was implied that they were incapacitated

@@NorseDungeonMaster well, at my table, incapacitated means just that, can't even move lol. Maybe it is a slip. We will see.

@@harryweatherford8411 that how it should be. But the rules as written describe incapacitated as unable to do any actions but does not interfere with movement

@dbzrevenge just out of curiosity where was it said that way? Cause in the article it doesn't give any information on what exactly they mean by the rules will grind, and I haven't been able to find where this is explained more indepth. I would however like to be able to do more research into this in the hopes that WoTC is truly listening to it's player base

Huh. I just double checked. I guess I never noticed that because it's a dumb stipulation considering the playable species and backgrounds that can make your character undead. My apologies

Hey no offense taken, treantmonk is a great guy. A font of information really. I've actually seen his videos. And I do my best not to have any favoritism in any of my video just give my honest opinion on changes that are being made. I try to give each subclass the same amount of time and attention but sometimes there just isn't enough changes in a subclass for that. Which is also why treantmonk looks like he's has a clear favoritism bypass for the illusionist subclass giving it a whopping 13 minutes of his wizard video. As for years of experience I have been DMing for 12 years, which may not seem like a lot but I'm only 31 for context. And I don't see how my thumbnail or title could be seen as "click bait rage" could you explain why you feel that way so I could do better in the future?

@dylanr5156 this got way darker than I expected. And I love it! Keep up the horror it's amazing

@@boatghost2543 I absolutely agree with this. That's the whole reason I pepper in as many cursed items as I do in my campaigns. It just always somehow surprises me when players don't even attempt to check if the item in question is cursed before attuning to it.

@Mark-ki7ic I'm personally excited to see all the subclasses get used to be honest. But you're not wrong illusionist got some big buffs

I'm sure any DM worth their salt will be able to properly convert the old subclasses into one D&D. That's actually something I plan on working on when I get the ne PHB. As for them removing a-la cart options from dndbeyond it's because they caught a lot of flak for "micro transactions " when they introduced it and enough people complained about it loud enough that they put a stop to it. I liked it too but unfortunately that's the way of things

@@NorseDungeonMaster it was dumb to complain about it being a micro transaction. Once you bought enough parts of the book to total up the full price you could get the book and everything else for free. It was pretty awesome. Just buy what you want, and if you spend enough you just get it all. Way better. Now you have to spend the full amount just to get the few things you may want. So sad.

@@mikegilkey preaching to the choir

I get that losing that versatility sucks but I also get why they did it. Sorcerer is going to have the most prepared spells in the game (even more than wizard even though they will have more in their book), adding spell versatility on top of that is a little much and kind of the wizard's wheelhouse. They are *Wizards* of the Coast after all.

@@XanderHarris1023 hahaha touché

Hahahaha I love this

You beat me to it

@Captain_Shadow10 please continue grabbing obviously cursed objects. It makes things more for the DM lol

So true hahaha

Yeah. Don't get me wrong the draconic bloodline was very solid so it didn't NEED any huge changes but they definitely dropped the ball

It's possible I misinterpreted what was said. However, the way I interpreted it is that the bard will only ever be able to have access to the bard, wizard, cleric and druid spell lists. Being able to continue picking from those lists is cool though. I just really liked the ability to pick from any class spell list. Just me being picky and stuck in the past hahaha

@NorseDungeonMaster I understand, still in the long run he will have access to way more spells that way. I was also let down especially with the lore bard gaining very little from it's prime ability.

@fallenprometheus If I'm being perfectly honest, I wasn't expecting any big changes for the college of lore or college of valor. They were pretty solid from the get go since they were the only subclass choices in 5e.

@@NorseDungeonMaster Not being able to poach unique half caster spells and then being better at them then they are because you are a full caster was kind of the point (Yes, even for the Lore bard). Edit: Magical Secrets was always level 10 so I don't where that rant came from. Multiclassing is definitely sticking around, a one level dip in Paladin or Warlock is going to be as good as ever.

@hellerdjoplup2652 you mean like learn cantrips but be able to scale their damage with use of spell slots? That's an interesting idea.

I'm very sorry to hear that. If you want to start there are lots of fairly cheap tables to play at on startplaying.games I've also been thinking about starting a Discord channel of my own so people could find new people to play with

@@NorseDungeonMaster sound good will check it out the closest i have goten to playing is bg3 lan with friends im south african most folk here dont even know the name D&D but have a firm grip of the lore and rules of 5e and table top gaming maners Bg3 is great but i think it has nothing on a good dm

@user-vq1bl7bi8c I personally love bg3, but you're absolutely right. Having a good dm gives you the freedom to make any choice you want and they will be able to improvise based on your decisions. I hope you get to play soon!

Very true I suppose. I hope some of my players pick up the diviner class now

Really? I've only ever seen one in actual play. I love the diversity of tables!

@@NorseDungeonMaster I'm playing a diviner wizard with the lucky feat right now. Being able to change the outcome of die rolls in a game about rolling dice to see what happens is crazy powerful and fun! Comes in clutch every session, and frequently it's outside of combat.

@alvynlifts That sounds super fun!! I so glad to hear you're having a good time with your character!! That easily one of the most important things 😀

@user-dy1nl3gf2d I truly hope spell casting is used more often now. In my 12+ years as a DM I very rarely saw a paladin player use their spell slots for anything other than smite

@@NorseDungeonMaster that’s a shame, because even when you could smite more, it’s often not as good as casting a spell. I think it’s less to do with changing smite and more about giving the Paladin good spells, or tweaking the spells they have. For example if they make Bless a bonus action you’ll see it a lot more often, followed by a smite on round 2.

@@DrenosNDragons I feel the reason smite has always been preferred over spending spell slot on spells is because nobody wants to lower the amount of damage they can do in a fight. But the small spell list and limited slots didn't help either

@user-dy1nl3gf2d these are all fair points and I'm going to attempt to address the I'm order. Please keep in mind these are just my opinions: While it may not have been a spell before it was still magic and therefore I personally didn't allow it's use in anti magic field areas. Describing it as "the magics bestowed upon you by your god/goddess are beyond your reach". However I would also argue that any immunity or resistance piercing it had before I would still allow it to have. The ability to using it while raging or in wild shape would still be allowed at my table as smite should still functionally be the same. I feel that the making it so it can only be cast once per turn was a, failed, attempt at balancing smite. It may limit your desire to take feats that allow you to do things with your bonus actions I'm certain Dms are working on house rule work arounds to try and make our players happy. As for it being used on an attack of opportunity that's another thing I didn't allow as a reaction doesn't allow you time to focus on your gods/goddesses holy essence. Just a little flavor that in my opinion makes sense.

@@NorseDungeonMaster That may be how you would run it in your games, but some people are more by the book and they just changed the book to make these things not work.

@user-dy1nl3gf2d Unfortunately some DMs are going to be force to either adapt to keep their players happy. Or otherwise have irritated players. It's our jobs as dungeon masters to pick up the slack for the game designers to make the game more enjoyable for our players. At least that's how I see the role

@Razdasoldier I'm by no means saying the celestial warlock won't see play. In fact I'm looking forward to fun builds like this. However if someone is going strictly warlock no multi class fiend or great old one are most likely to be most played. I was actively avoiding talking about multiclassing because they haven't posted the videos for all the classes yet

You got it from our hopes and dreams

@Razdasoldier big facts! Hahaha honestly I blame it on the fact that I usually record around 2-3am cause that's when it's the quietest in my house. But that's more of an excuse than a reason