What does a job like this cost? I'm sure it varies depending on how much needs to be replaced or adjusted. Where does the pricing usually start, ballpark?
Perhaps this is a dumb question, or more to the point it shows my lack of knowledge, but the key pins on my 1921 Christman Studio Grand are not round. They measure .210 front to back but .156 (or so) side to side. I realize the pianos age makes for strange problems, but could 100 years of use actually have made the side-to-side measurement that much smaller than front to back of the key pins? bTw... love your video, and your narration is excellent.
Front rail key pins are never round, only balance rail pins. That being said, I have seen older Chickerings that often had oval shaped balance rail pins. And much smaller than the average (.146) . It’s not likely from heavy use.
The front pins are oval so you can turn them a few degrees to make up for the wear of the bushings. There is a special tool to do this. For the balance pins this is not possible because they are not accessible from underneath.
@@christianwouters6764 Thanks. My next challenge is going to be trying to replace 100-year-old wippens. Christman has been out of business since about 1940 and nobody I've contacted can supply a suitable replacement. Renner is about the closest but will still require modification. W.N.&G. made the original action (if that's the right term) and can supply a vintage style wippen but manufactured with modern composite material instead of wood. I don't want to use composite wippens (black) in a 1921 Christman. It would be kind of hard to refer to it as a 1921 when it has composite wippens. I've gone to great lengths to repair and restore the original soundboard; it would be a shame to denigrate the esthetics of the piano by using wippens that so clearly do not belong.
@@edluna5224 piano action is indeed the right word. If you take out a front key pin you can see that the part in the wood is perfectly round so the entire pin can be turned without being twisted.
👍Awsome! With your explanation that uses a real example associated with the spring tension of a key, (minute 16:30), I finally managed to solve my problem. At first I thought it was humidity. But the fact that the problem was only within one key, led me to investigate a little more. And in fact you were the only person who presented a concrete situation of malfunction and with the corresponding corrective action. Congratulations
I own a 1910 era Bluthner and since 1996 timeframe. Sitting idle since 2005, 50% of the 80+ key wippen action is sluggish. A novice, I look to RUclips for suggestions and always amazed at the tips I can get but frown when someone takes the time to produce a decent video, makes comments about how to do something yet doesn't reveal the products used and this is down to what sandpaper is used to clean up the hammers also. I agree that the video doesn't need music in the background but hey, glad it isn't rap. Now 1/3/2023 I have several wippins to repair and one where the hammer end is broken off. Whether a Bluthner, Steinway, Baldwin, etc. the key thing is learning something new and that includes sources to buy equipment from. Philosophy has always been...if someone else can build it or repair it, with patience I can also. How nice it would be to not just have a tutorial like this but where in the world is best to buy repair tools, solvent, etc. from.
Some of my keys emit a CLICKING sound during the DROP, and I can't locate why? I'll try using the nylon powder and buffing the leather to see if that works. I didn't know each key has ANOTHER metal spring WIPPIN at the bottom (an anit-tension to the regular-tension spring) that is difficult to get to. That's probably why I have WEAK keys. I once tried to fix a cracked bottom contact-claw by gluing wooden TOOTHPICKS together like a splint, but it didn't hold because I didn't realize the tremendous spring pressures involved. 🎹
Wow, I really enjoyed this video about action regulations. Thank you so much for placing the video. What is the name of the lubricant you used after polishing the front rail pins?
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 finally a video that explained some of the mechanics of things and how to adjust them in depth. Perfect for an amateur like me who’s been tasked with maintaining the old upright in our living room now that my daughter is playing in earnest. I do plenty of guitar repair, but pianos have been like a foreign language!
This is the single most fantastic tech work video I have ever seen! thank you! may I ask the measurements of your regulation table? I love everything about this video!
I am truly VERY SORRY, but, I couldn’t get anything other than that of audio? I’m on an Apple iPadPro and absolutely NO pictures. If my IP address has shown up, please! do contact me. Yours truly, ross
Well done. A nice refresher on doing all the things that ought to be done to a piano that most people don't want to pay to have done and so therefore a lot of us don't get to do it that often. Thank you for putting that together.
loved the video. i am going to try some o0f the stuff on my 1910 grand. I know the design is a bit different... still I think I can many things that I learnt from this video
No spray lube should be necessary
Wow! Fantastic.
One of my favorite songs from my late teens.
What does a job like this cost? I'm sure it varies depending on how much needs to be replaced or adjusted. Where does the pricing usually start, ballpark?
Depends on the technician. Mainly 100 to 300 bucks (for a full on action regulation)
Fabulous video on the process! Thank you so much for sharing this.
Thank you for taking the time to produce this video. It is one of the most comprehensive I have seen on RUclips.
What grit paper for sanding the hammer felts?
Great voice
Miss you, momma. Thank you, David, for having these videos available. It is nice being able to show my girls their grandmother Dianna sing and play.
There are songs that describe the era that they were sung…this epic is one! You have no idea millennials…
This adlibbed? I’m hearing instruments not on stage. Love the song…great
Wat lubrication type do you use?
Hi, how much do you charge for this service? Thank you.
Wow, nice sounds! Keep up the great music!
Perhaps this is a dumb question, or more to the point it shows my lack of knowledge, but the key pins on my 1921 Christman Studio Grand are not round. They measure .210 front to back but .156 (or so) side to side. I realize the pianos age makes for strange problems, but could 100 years of use actually have made the side-to-side measurement that much smaller than front to back of the key pins? bTw... love your video, and your narration is excellent.
Front rail key pins are never round, only balance rail pins. That being said, I have seen older Chickerings that often had oval shaped balance rail pins. And much smaller than the average (.146) . It’s not likely from heavy use.
@@gretchenfarris1625 Thanks. I feel much better now. I thought that might be the case but then again, you can never know what you don't know.
The front pins are oval so you can turn them a few degrees to make up for the wear of the bushings. There is a special tool to do this. For the balance pins this is not possible because they are not accessible from underneath.
@@christianwouters6764 Thanks. My next challenge is going to be trying to replace 100-year-old wippens. Christman has been out of business since about 1940 and nobody I've contacted can supply a suitable replacement. Renner is about the closest but will still require modification. W.N.&G. made the original action (if that's the right term) and can supply a vintage style wippen but manufactured with modern composite material instead of wood. I don't want to use composite wippens (black) in a 1921 Christman. It would be kind of hard to refer to it as a 1921 when it has composite wippens. I've gone to great lengths to repair and restore the original soundboard; it would be a shame to denigrate the esthetics of the piano by using wippens that so clearly do not belong.
@@edluna5224 piano action is indeed the right word. If you take out a front key pin you can see that the part in the wood is perfectly round so the entire pin can be turned without being twisted.
Excellent preparatory work--cleaning lubricating alignments. I can do that!
Is this more work items that is typical for a "regulation" ?
피아노를 생각하면 어렵고 어렵도다. 가격이 비싸서 새것을 사야 하지 고쳐야 할지.
👍Awsome! With your explanation that uses a real example associated with the spring tension of a key, (minute 16:30), I finally managed to solve my problem. At first I thought it was humidity. But the fact that the problem was only within one key, led me to investigate a little more. And in fact you were the only person who presented a concrete situation of malfunction and with the corresponding corrective action. Congratulations
WOW!! David and Margaret this is hauntingly beautiful creation between you and your beloved Margaret! 😂❤
I own a 1910 era Bluthner and since 1996 timeframe. Sitting idle since 2005, 50% of the 80+ key wippen action is sluggish. A novice, I look to RUclips for suggestions and always amazed at the tips I can get but frown when someone takes the time to produce a decent video, makes comments about how to do something yet doesn't reveal the products used and this is down to what sandpaper is used to clean up the hammers also. I agree that the video doesn't need music in the background but hey, glad it isn't rap. Now 1/3/2023 I have several wippins to repair and one where the hammer end is broken off. Whether a Bluthner, Steinway, Baldwin, etc. the key thing is learning something new and that includes sources to buy equipment from. Philosophy has always been...if someone else can build it or repair it, with patience I can also. How nice it would be to not just have a tutorial like this but where in the world is best to buy repair tools, solvent, etc. from.
They reproduced the studio version perfectly live, amazing......
Wonderful video- but music 😢 spoils it
Always loved this song. Great song great performance. I still listen to the song almost everyday, Thank you for posting this video.
Feel like 1968 all over again Thank You Very Much for Sharing This Song.
Eu vi Black sabbath ao vivo, mas eu me realizaria realmente vendo FEVER TREE AO VIVO!
Some of my keys emit a CLICKING sound during the DROP, and I can't locate why? I'll try using the nylon powder and buffing the leather to see if that works. I didn't know each key has ANOTHER metal spring WIPPIN at the bottom (an anit-tension to the regular-tension spring) that is difficult to get to. That's probably why I have WEAK keys. I once tried to fix a cracked bottom contact-claw by gluing wooden TOOTHPICKS together like a splint, but it didn't hold because I didn't realize the tremendous spring pressures involved. 🎹
hello very good videos!! greetings from Argentina!! what do you put on the keys? with the syringe
Wow, I really enjoyed this video about action regulations. Thank you so much for placing the video. What is the name of the lubricant you used after polishing the front rail pins?
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 finally a video that explained some of the mechanics of things and how to adjust them in depth. Perfect for an amateur like me who’s been tasked with maintaining the old upright in our living room now that my daughter is playing in earnest. I do plenty of guitar repair, but pianos have been like a foreign language!
This is Kenny. He was an amazing guitarist.
Nailed it Bro!
Great song and video. Who is the videographer?
Well done! Thanks Guys.
I really like this one! Good work.
I would love to see a video like this for upright pianos !
This is the single most fantastic tech work video I have ever seen! thank you! may I ask the measurements of your regulation table? I love everything about this video!
I think every song needs a horn section. I really enjoyed the way it brought the song to a close.
What Substance do you Use 50 sek.
I am truly VERY SORRY, but, I couldn’t get anything other than that of audio? I’m on an Apple iPadPro and absolutely NO pictures. If my IP address has shown up, please! do contact me. Yours truly, ross
Well done. A nice refresher on doing all the things that ought to be done to a piano that most people don't want to pay to have done and so therefore a lot of us don't get to do it that often. Thank you for putting that together.
Outstanding video! Thanks❤
loved the video. i am going to try some o0f the stuff on my 1910 grand. I know the design is a bit different... still I think I can many things that I learnt from this video
Cool song David really enjoyed the Video !
What's the dogs name?
EXACTLY what I needed. Thank you! 🙏
It's great!
Spraying lubricant on the felt and the wooden rails, yikes
Beautiful! Just like the love between you and Margaret!🥰
Great job David and Margaret!! Love it!
Excellent job!!!!!!