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I'm not sure about your 1st and 3rd argument, however I believe I have an answer to your second one. There is a misconception that God by being omnipotent can do do absolutely anything. Several have argued that such is not the case. For instance, you cannot ask from God to create a square circle. Such a thing is simply illogical in every way. Similarly, it would be impossible to ask God to give us free will while preventing evil since the two cannot be separated. Any way God chooses to make all of our actions "good" would be by controlling us/manipulating us thus taking away our free will. Hence it is safe to assume free will = choice = possibility of evil = God can't be blamed for it, we are to be blamed for it. The nice thing about this argument is that it can be used to justify all evil whose origin is from humans. However, it does not answer other forms of "evil" (some would call them evil others would not) that take the form of suffering induced by natural disasters, diseases, etc. since these often do not involve human choice.

Brother... people do NOT want to believe ALL of scriptures - only the parts that make them feel good and they are unwilling to do the work to understand and seek to resolve the parts of it (scripture) that seem to have conflicts. I will say truly that there are NO conflicts whatsoever. And with that Isaiah 45: 7 says the following... "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." The problem is as follows: They have 'lumped together' the (3) different 'roles' of the (1) True God. Those 'roles' or maybe 'character traits' can be seen by seeing God in (3) parts... Elohim (God), Lord (YHWH), and Lord God (YHWH Elohim). Look at Genesis... Elohim 'creates' man. YHWH Elohim 'forms' man. I got it all worked out... and we are in a LOT of TROUBLE. Help people find me if you can. Shalom.

I have (2) still born babies - twins - and tomorrow is their birth and death day. IF I am to believe in heaven, would I really want them to be here, even during these days? The news is not good. Cancer can be cured and is the results of bad diet and worse 'stress'. I have a friend (many of them actually) who have cured their own cancers by natural means, instead of trusting doctors with poisons that are supposed to help them. There is a reason that there are (2) lions. And that reason can be seen in Isaiah 45: 7, which says... "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." What should be noticed is that what is 'created' is darkness and evil, while light and peace are formed and made - or the results of 'works'. This is also why the man who neither he or his parents sinned was 'born blind' - that the works of God could be displayed in Him. The tragedies that come in this life are there so that it can allow us to 'love' each other. Some day - and maybe soon if my teachings can get out there - we will learn that we should love each other first and ask questions later. As for the 'theodicy' - I have my own... it is scripturally backed and I can PROVE where it came from, why it is here, and why it is a GOOD THING that the 'Lord' created it, and it's NOT some mocked up mess made by some wizard who invented Calculus (Leibniz). It's simple and will 'break' the current understanding of how it is that we view 'God'. When that happens, I will fulfill Isaiah 52:15... so yeah... I get to be 'that guy'. In a nutshell it's as follows... To disobey God is unjust and cannot go unpunished, thus 'grace' and even mercy are forms of partiality, which means that either the scriptures lie in stating that God cannot be impartial (Romans 2:11) OR that 'grace' and 'mercy' are 'evil'... and they are. 'Grace' allows one to (for a limited time) 'bend' (not break) God's 'law'... this is the TRUTH that is spoken of that Jesus brings, the 'grace' part was Him spilling His own blood (Jesus became 'sin' - and the worst kind) in order to teach us these things that I too teach. Thus, when it says 'salvation by grace' - it is NOT referring to rights to murder the Son of God - but by the fact that those who do not obey or are 'ungodly', are 'beaten' until they break, and then repent - as in "He scourages those whom He loves", and also, "faithful are the wounds of a friend." I would add that people do NOT like what I teach, because they would rather believe that they are not 'bound' by any laws or rules which is hog wash - Romans 2: 12-14 is very clear that ALL are bound to the 'effects' (promises) of the law, regardless of whether they are privy to it or not. But goes on to clarify the mission with with Jesus the Christ came which was to show how the laws of God - as promised in the final days - will be written upon the heart... and NOT come from a book. That 'book' is very dangerous... a 'paper sword'. And we are hacking each other to pieces with it - and sadly... in the name of God.

There is a 'positive outcome' of God's use of 'evil'... and why in Isaiah 45:7 it says that the LORD CREATES EVIL. There is a 'staff' AND a 'rod' for a reason. If one will not do what is 'right' and with knowledge (and choice) demonstrate 'wisdom', then there is a 'rod' for those who choose to 'learn the hard way'. What is not understood is that God is POWERLESS against our choices... and why scriptures say that we are the BODY. IF the body is NOT doing what it is supposed to do - then what is 'experienced and known' is (justly) whatever is sown. Jesus cannot show up and WAVE a MAGIC WAND and make everything better... BUT, He can show up at the right hand of power (as He already did in 70 AD) and destroy what deserves to be destroyed. And I don't know about you... but I'm not seeing a whole lot of 'feeding, clothing, and praying for our enemies'. The prophet Amos nailed it... (Amos 5: 18) "Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light."

Right!? Evil is not equivalent to the scalpel in the last example, it's equivalent to the murdering. Evil isn't a tool, it is the outcome and reasoning itself. Definitely still theodicy issues with his arguments.

who created cancer? who made the oceans salt water when all animals need freshwater to survive? who creates a lack of food causing world hunger?

who creates natural disasters? i assume it has to be some other force if it’s not god

It's the same thing - if meant by secondary causes

No... God uses evil too. What did Joseph say to his miserable brothers? "What you thought was for evil - God used for 'good'." I will add that God uses a LOT OF EVIL... we just aren't 'learning' anything from our 'experiences' and so like a broken record, history keeps repeating itself. And why so? Because God will not give up on us and will either use a 'staff' to 'guide us'... or a 'rod' to 'break us'. "He scourages those whom He loves."

@@evanholland1538 - natural disasters - yeah that thing. Question for you: "Who was it that sinned, him or his parents that he was born blind?" Answer: Neither Natural disasters should be taken advantage of to show the 'works of God' - in other words to care for and love each other. Natural disasters are an 'opportunity' - not some kind of punishment. God is NOT in the 'storm'... He is in the tiny little voice - and hopefully that 'voice' is not only 'inside' of you... but able to 'come out' of you - as your 'kingdom' is not here or there... it's 'inside you'. Do the 'works'. Simple.

We do not understand the 'bible' - it is the most purchased book and the least read, annually millions of copies sold and that this point a waste of trees as it (scriptures) are used as little more than the means by which we use 'paper swords' to ruin each other. If there is a 'truth' to be found in scriptures (I do NOT like to say 'bible' because there are many versions of it and some are demographically designed) it is that God can fight His own battles. And that we should test him CONTINUALLY by paying attention to a very tiny word. A word called... "IF". Whenever God says IF, He is giving you an opportunity to CALL HIM OUT for one of his promises - and if one has any 'faith' they will learn to do that... to DO the 'ifs'. Numbers 23:19 says... God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? God is POWERLESS against our freewill to choose. And if we DON'T choose Him... then He will then have His back turned to us - NOT because HE TURNED... but because WE TURNED. Thus... 'draw near to me and I will draw near to you'. And IF we do not turn to Him... then we are left without His protection and will JUSTLY suffer, for every single choice and decision that we make. simple.

This video is confusing and is incorrect. God is IN three persons, the persons are not God, but God is IN the persons. God is One, He is NOT Three Fact of the persons - Isa 48:12,16,17; Matt 3:16,17; 1 John 5:7 God is IN the persons because this is how Jesus showed the indwelling to be. 2 Cor 5:19; Col 2:9

Yes, there is a simple explanation. Imagine you have brought a child into the world and at some point it no longer works as it should. It does bad things from your perspective and from other people's perspective. For example, God created something as senseless as brain tumors in infants. To keep someone or everyone from throwing your child in the trash can, you have to present your obviously bad child's behavior in a better light. That's where theodicy comes in. And for that they need many understanders of God.

Yes, there is a simple explanation. Imagine you have brought a child into the world and at some point it no longer works as it should. It does bad things from your perspective and from other people's perspective. For example, God created something as senseless as brain tumors in infants. To keep someone or everyone from throwing your child in the trash can, you have to present your obviously bad child's behavior in a better light. That's where theodicy comes in. And for that they need many understanders of God.

Learn the difference between first temple Judaism and second temple Judaism. Satan is noticeably absent in the Hebrew bible. Satan wasn't even a proper name in first temple Judaism. Ha-Satan was a title found in Job. He wasn't God's archenemy either he was a member of the divine counsel. His role was prosecuting attorney. The first part of Job actually comes from Oriental stories in circulation from the third Millennium BCE. They were added to the Hebrew bible at some point during the David /Solomon monarchy. Later on poets added the conversations between Job and his friends.

Jesus submitted Himself to death for our sins.

Noone said each persons in God is equal.

God the Father is greater in role to the Lord Jesus who is the Word made flesh.

I understand that your intentions are good, but that analogy is quite a poor one, and can easily lead to the heresy of modalism. God is one God in three persons, its not a relational thing like how a man can be a dad and a brother and a husband to different people. God is literally three separate persons, yet one being. Those three persons are perfectly united in a singular will, and are truly one individual being, despite the distinction of three persons. A better analogy might be how every person is made of cells, which are distinct living things in their own right, yet form just one person. Another good analogy Ive heard is from CS Lewis. Basically, when you draw in one dimension, you can only draw lines. However, when you draw in two dimensions, you can draw shapes which are made of lines, like a square, which has 4 lines, yet is truly only one shape. When you build figures in 3 dimensions, you can construct a cube for example, which has 6 squares forming it, yet is only one 3d shape. In a similar fashion, as humans, we exist in a plane where one being is always comprised of one person, like how in a one dimensional drawing, one figure is always comprised of one line. However, since God obviously transcends the plane of our existence, and in His plane of existence, one being is comprised of 3 persons, like how a triangle is comprised of 3 lines. It is extremely difficult for a being in a lower dimension to comprehend how a higher dimension could possibly function, like how in our 3 dimensional world, most people struggle to grasp the concept of a 4 dimensional world. Similarly, in our plane of existence where one being is comprised of one person, it is extremely difficult to grasp the concept of how one being could be comprised of 3 persons. Yet, in God's transcendent existence, which He has revealed to us, one being is comprised of 3 persons.

@@ninjakn3628 I understand your point, thanks.

That is the most torturous, ludicrous argument I have ever heard to try to explain a doctrine that is absolutely, without a doubt, completely unscriptural. Defenders of this false, pagan ideology, love to use grandiose sounding philosophies and quote "great scholars ' and theologians as their 'proof'. Anything but the simple, easily understood truth of God's Word. Anything but what Christ actually SAID and taught. There is one God, the Father, Jehovah the Almighty. He has one Son, the "firstborn of all creation", the "beginning of the works by God", whom he sent to earth to redeem mankind and has since "GIVEN all authority in heaven and on earth" to. Even a child understands the relationship of a father to a son. The very terminology proves the trinity a lie. The lie of the trinity is the foundational apostasy of the great apostasy foretold by Paul and others. It is the product of a 3rd and 4th century church, enamored with Greek philosophy and eager to whore itself to Rome for power and political gain. No first century Christian believed or even heard of this contrary-to-logic and common sense doctrine. Soon now, God is going to call Christendom and her churches to account for their centuries of blasphemies against him and His beloved Son. That is why the angel in Revelation 18:4 warns: " Get out of her my people, if you do not wish to share with her in her sins and receive part of her plagues.."

"God is like an apple,it has 3 parts." Really? Let's see. According to the trinity doctrine, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the holy spirit is God. So, according to you, the Father is the apple, and the Son is the apple, and the holy spirit is the apple. So, tell me, how many apples is that? Is it one apple or three apples? Let's go over your "apple" analogy again. As you said, "The Father is the skin that covers the apple,the flesh is Jesus where you get its nutrients from,and the Holy spirit is the seed, the thing you plant to have fruit." So, according to you... 1. God is the apple 2. the Father is the skin of the apple. 3. the Son is the flesh of the apple. 4. the holy spirit is the seed of the apple Okay, now tell me, when the apple is the seed, does that apple have skin or flesh? Uh, no; it's just a seed. Now, can you see how your "apple" analogy just fell apart in an attempt to visualize the trinity. So, let's use the more familiar "egg" analogy. 1. God is the egg. 2. The Father is the shell. 3. The Son is the yoke. 4. The holy spirit is the egg white. Now, is this a proper analogy of a three-person deity? Well, remember that, according to the trinity, "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the holy spirit is God. Yet, they are not three Gods, but one God." So, according to the"egg" analogy... 1. the Father is the egg [God]. 2. the Son is the egg [God]. 3. the holy spirit is the egg [God.] 4. the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit are not three eggs [three Gods], but one egg [one God]. Can you now see how the "egg" analogy makes as much sense as your "apple" analogy? The truth of the matter is that God is one person, not three. As Jesus said at John 17:3, his Father is "the ONLY true God." In this verse, the word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others." So, since the Father is God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Uh, NONE!! That's why 1 Cor. 8:6a makes sense. As it says: "yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist."

@@cbooth151 Well stated.

@@canadiancontrarian3668 Thanks.

That was a dumb analogy years ago and it is still a dumb analogy. A stupid argument for a false, pagan doctrine that flies in the face of common sense and is in direct opposition to the Bible.