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🤔🤔 That’s a thought! Most likely have to carry them separate tho.. as they would not fit into the kit later. But I DO like it! Hmmm.. I just love how this vid is still tracking and resonating with those of us who get it! Thanks for watching and for sharing! 👍

Your welcome! Scroll comments.. one user claims he purchased the exact same steel plate I ordered in this video for his 27 and it fit just fine 😎 Search e-Bay: 1/16" Steel Plate Round Circle Disc 6" Diameter A36 Steel (.063")

🤔 I only demonstrated that, by barely cracking it open, was all it took to light it. I have absolutely no issues with the Chinese knock off, other than yes, it may not be as fine tuned as the original (which I believe I also conceded to).. but I do not feel any need to spend twice the cost. This one works just fine. Thanks for the concern.. 😎

@dobrofool "It works just fine" ..... Your whole video is about adapting your set, with steel plates and meshes to avoid hot spots..... You're confusing. And if you really want to do that, I'd gentle knock out a piece of copper plate and attach (braise or high temperature adhesives but the latter can be expensive) to the bottom of each pan but always heat your pans slowly and cook slowly and choose ingredients and meals suitable for cooking outdoors with this equipment. Domestic cooking and outdoor cooking require different approaches. Good luck.

Last reply. Nothing is confusing. The steel plate is designed to deflect the heat so that one evenly heat the the bottom of a frying pan, as clearly demonstrated, regardless of what burner you’re using. Trangia issue is that the burner is too far below the frying pan, with a small circular circumference on the flame. The flame only heats the center of the pan and causes hotspotting. The whole video is about getting around that. Plenty of others have written in-and agree this that the bane of Trangia cooking. You seem to not understand. Again, appreciate your concerns. But the rest of us on this side of the fence are happy with the modification. We don’t have to weld anything. We don’t have to do anything major. Very inexpensive fix for a problem that has existed for many years.

Exactly the issue this mod addresses 🤨😁

Yes that would work too. I used to use a similar set up for mounting a Coleman Peak 1 stove! I have older videos with that set up! Good call! 😎

Awesome! Yes. It is a game changer. Be sure to check out my follow up video to learn more about concerns using the alcohol burner for grilling… NOT a good idea! Best!

Awesome! So this same steel plate works in a 27. That’s great news to help others. It’s funny you mentioned toast, because I made another very short video showing this too! 😁 My experiences with an alcohol burner have been very spotty though. It seems as though there’s way too much heat buildup, even when using the reducer ring. Flames come up around the sides of the steel plate. Whatever you do, I highly recommend you do NOT grill or even make toast over the alcohol burner. I have another video… it’s the one where I’m wearing my cowboy hat.. that video gets into this. Thanks for watching! Glad this clip is helping folks with their kits. I don’t understand why there’s a thumbs down on your comment (??🙄) Best! 👍

Wow. Warms my heart to know that there are others who think like me.. 🥹 Although now that could be just a little bit dangerous… 🤣 So happy you enjoyed, thanks for your comments, now you too, know how to meet the conundrum face on! 😆

@@dobrofool I can't believe how it's not all stuck too the pan at the end! Thanks again Brother

It’s in the clearance isle??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh man! Thanks for the morning laugh! Made my day 😆

@@dobrofool I'm betting you didn't return your stove.

Nah, I hung onto it for the 18 bucks at the time. After using it for a while, it seemed that after the patina built up on it, I never had that issue blowing apart again. But I also quickly learned that when you spin the stove onto the gas tube, you can’t lock it down tight. Otherwise, it will NOT come off later without pliers. What a crap design all around. I used it for a while. Moved on. It’s sitting in a drawer now 😆

I wish I had those diameters. If you figure it out and verify with a plate, please let us know. I will try to update for future viewers! Thanks for watching! 👍

THIS is golden! I forgot about those. Of course.. high school WAS only.. 🤔.. 40 years ago… 😂

That is a top idea, thanks!

What a wonderful idea, thanks 👍

thats what I did as well, two great minds think alike😀

@johncarr513 🥹😂

You have been grilling over an alcohol burner with a Ritnifjell Trangia Grill for 30 years??

What is life without paprika … 😂 In my defense… it just doesn’t want to come out of that ridiculous shaker.. so it looks like we are using more than we really are! 😂

@@dobrofool I also like paprika 😋 Cheers 👋🏻

Well. Denatured alcohol burns probably the cleanest. But it’s not as clean as we think it is… just don’t ever get the idea to grill over it. As far as digging out to do some breakfast .. what are we waiting for!! 😂😂😂

I’m chuckling because my wife doesn’t understand my obsession either 😂 You should check out the last two or three videos before this one. I have a heat shield in there which has immensely improved control for real cooking, as it eliminates the dreaded hotspotting you get in the center of the pan. It is an ideal set up with a gas stove, although still not recommended with an alcohol burner as of yet… Thanks!

@@dobrofool I did go watch some of your other videos and great content. As I never intend to go backpacking or trekking the mountains with lightweight gear I just love "watching water boil" as Paleo Hiker MD says. I can watch the same video a few times as it is so fascinating. I watch other RUclipsrs that make alternative fuel so there I am hopping onto to Amazon to buy the materials and get the usual "what is this for" remark from my husband, lol! I am building quite an extensive collection of diy stove material (tuna cans, carbon felt, cardboard etc…) to add to give away bags as I will stay with my own pricier $toves. I just tell him to be thankful that I don’t collect expensive jewelry!🤣😂 I enjoy prepping and have learned some skills to help that include canning lots of meats, learning to make bread (I have the flour tortilla down as Mexican food makes up the majority of our meals and I had to think ahead if we just wanted to have a tuna sandwich vs a tuna burrito). We got caught in the Texas Blizzard as we were traveling to visit our daughter in Alabama from Nevada and we had to stay parked in our converted van at a Harvest Host location until the roads opened but because of my "prepping mindset" I probably had 2 weeks worth of food for our 4 day trip. He got his steak and eggs, stayed warm with our heater, had his dvds to watch, had our water and toilet facilities available too. On our way home he said that he wouldn’t say anything more about my prepping but I have to get him to add the stove part in there too, lol! For me 3 is 2, 2 is 1……is 20 is 19, 19 is 18 etc…..hahaha!

@cocacolafiesta 😂😂😂 Some good stuff right there! I haven’t made tortillas yet, but I have saved a few videos on them… going to be doing it. If you’ve seen my videos, then you know, I’m a bannock bread fan. It’s so easy, flexible, sky is the limit, and just a great method to have a breaded food when camping out in the wild. It can be cooked right in the back of a clean shovel. My wife makes fresh sour bread regularly, so I get to enjoy that in house.. but bannock is my go to even when we are empty on the shelf! Love your comments! And you made a believer out your hub! So that’s the winning trophy of the day! 😂

@@dobrofool I will definitely need to make bannock as my research has shown that it is a very easy to make bread. I learned how to make sourdough starter too as my husband likes it but I will admit that I haven’t made him any bread for almost a year! But the poor starter is in the refrigerator and I just fed it after 3 months and it was still alive! My daughter makes sourdough bread and I told her about this young women on YT Farmhouse on Boone that uses her starter to make her pizza crust and she told me that they love it and have it at least once a week.

Awesome! And thanks for your appreciation… such comments, make me want to continue making videos 😁

Thanks for your comments! Concerning the slight added weight of the metal disc, I believe I alluded to the fact that it doesn’t bother me. I go on short hiking trips out into the forest. It’s not a big deal. The system is working beautifully. I also mentioned that I do not intend not use it for grilling mainly because of the mess factor. That’s not my purpose. However I HAVE discovered an another useful benefit for the grate tho … making toast!!! With the heat shield under there it works super! Trust me. I have experimented with all kinds of cook set ups, including using regular pans. I happen to like this Trang system, however, Trangia simply falls short in some of their engineering as far as I’m concerned 🤷🏻‍♂️ Best!

Hot water is the key! Appreciate the like and sub!

Thanks for commenting! So my experience has painfully taught me that placing these very thin pans directly on a super hot steel plate warps the bottom of the pans. I actually was able to pick up a small metal reducer usually used on a stove for glass coffee pots. I will be experimenting with this, but I know it will work, as there will now be a nice air gap between the steel plate and the bottom of the pan. As far as the mesh is concerned, there is a benefit to this: for example, tonight I made myself some eggs and sausage, and then after I pulled the pan, I dropped two pieces of bread on the mesh. The metal plate down below reduces/removes direct flame spread, and just controlled heat from the gas stove browned up some perfect toast. So there’s a great reason to have a mesh! 😉

Really? Huh. Interesting. Thanks for filling us in. Well, armed with that additional information, combined with the fact that stuff runs about $20 per liter, it’s a no-brainer for me to stay away. 1 pound of propane cost about $6. That can will last a looong time. A gallon of denatured alcohol is running about $20 US right now. so again, I just don’t see the advantage of using alcohol for grilling, other than for the fact to say that we did it..,😂. Appreciate the info for our visitors tho! 👍

Good question. Adding water to alcohol has the benefit of reducing heat power, yes.. but the down side is black soot on the pans and more carbon release into the air. It stinks! This is the reason I prefer denatured alcohol, as it is basically the cleanest fuel available. Mess with the chemistry, we get messy results… 🤷🏻‍♂️

kasperlidegaard I think you can manage making the conversions like we do when a creator uses metric...

No overthinking. Experience is the mother of invention. The main issue addressed is the notorious central hot spotting and over heating. “Half flame” doesn’t cut it. The purpose for the design of the flip out stands are recognized and addressed… they are 1. To accommodate the larger diameter pan 2. Provide oxygen to the flame. But they also set the pan too high above the burner (esp a spirit burner) and therefore even flame spread is non existent. Only the central location of the pan gets blasted from a tall, untamed flame… even when using a simmer ring. Trangia is not as smart as most give credit for.

@@dobrofool Thanks. Would you say it is more obvious or prevalent with the 25 than the 27?

@@questions6746 I only have the 25 and the mini. However, I believe consensus would agree the same issue exists with the 27. I began with the basic aluminum set, which scorched eggs something fierce if I wasn’t pulling the pan off the heat on a regular basis. Then I moved to the nonstick. The center of that pan took such a hit, that sausage, steak, etc., now sticks to the center of the pan sometimes.. hence my mission to create a heat deflector above the flame… 😎

I am so sorry I did not see your comments until just now. RUclips algorithms with this stuff are not very efficient… 🙄anyway… I have mixed feelings about whether or not their stuff is made to be efficient. Alcohol cooking can be tough sometimes, even with a simmer ring as there can be issues with that too. What you don’t see in this video is a lot of activity removing the pan from the flame because it just gets too dang hot, and flames become quite untamable… so this is your only regulation. That’s not efficient. And if you’re not watching closely, you’ll end up burning stuff real fast. Alcohol burners in my opinion do one thing and one thing really well, boil, water! Check my other latest videos. I have been experimenting with heat shield underneath the 25. It makes a world a difference. However, there’s still an issue controlling heat using alcohol burners in this set up, which is revealed in another video. If you’re set up for gas, you always have the best control. From my experience that’s all I can offer, I hope this helps! Thanks!

@@dobrofool Thanks for that, much appreciated.

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Unfortunately, I can’t answer to brass or copper. I did try aluminum, however, it was on the thinner side and it just melted eventually. Again, as I referred to in the video, I copied this concept from the company (I think in the Netherlands). I’m pretty positive they use a steel plate. It weighs more, but I know it’s not gonna melt. As far as dimensions, my dimensions are for a T-25. You would have to figure the measurements on the T-27 and then maybe have to convert down to millimeters like I did. If you go to the same eBay seller that I provided, they have different dimensions to purchase. I love mine. It has changed my whole Trangia cooking experience. Read down in the comments, one fella says that he’s been using a thin deflector from something he had kicking around. Best wishes in your journey on this in the land down under… 😁! Thanks for your comments!

⁠Thanks so much for your prompt reply. My plate needs to be 120mm about 4.7 inches in your language. I finally found one in Stainless Steel at 120mm all the others were 100mm then 150mm next size up. BTW Ali express has the grill like yours in various sizes that are flat. Looking forward to its arrival. Thanks again and happy days from the lucky country or as you know it “the land down under”

@georgemarchesi8506 Excellent! I’m going to record those dimensions for a future update (for visitors using the 27). Thanx for the tip on the grill. After you receive that and confirm it fits, would you kindly update with that grill diameter? 😁 I’ll add both to my update! Thanks a bunch cobber… 😎😂 (Howz that.. am I fitting in..? 😂)

@@georgemarchesi8506 (I only ask because you’re the second Ausie in this thread.. and so I’m learning lucky country lingo… 😂😂)

Wow! This is very interesting because the company I’m copying this idea from, I don’t think they’re even aware of this. On their website, they give a warning about using alcohol fuel, but I don’t recall them offering the information you just provided! Now I gotta go back and look at it. Very interesting. You know, on that note, I wonder about the heat coming from a brass cylinder. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but it’s just another thought. Brass is very soft. There are never ending debates and concerns about cooking food inside aluminum pans, because aluminum can leach into the food. Just wondering about brass deposits maybe coming off the burners and leaching into grilled foods with this set up 🤔 I don’t know. Maybe I shouldn’t go there… 😂. Thanks so much for this input! I hope others find this really helpful. Best!

Bingo.. I just looked it up. Their user manual online literally says this: “When grilling with a Sprii burner, you should use the purest possible ethanol as fuel…” Yeahhhh. Nooooo… I don’t think so. That is a little scary. Which is why I purposed in my own mind to never use it for that purpose, and I also drew attention to that in the video. Excellent excellent advice coming from you on this! 👍👍

@@dobrofool I have not grilled with that set up. I have seen it done , it makes a mess of your burner , yuck. Baking is a different story , works really well. Also when heating a pot of Ramen in the tent I use the food grade alcohol and not the denatured alcohol because of the fumes that would fill the tent. Denatured has a poison in it to keep anyone from drinking it.

Yes. The mess is real. The burner, the windshield the whole 9 yards. I have yet to bake on mine, but I’m getting ready to try that! Good thoughts on use of a safer fuel, however, I never do open flames inside my tent. Tarp tent with no ground cover.. I’ve done that a few times in rain situations. Good stuff!

Heads up! I just uploaded a follow up video on this (Part II) covering my experience trying a spirit burner with the steel plate. I did not use it for grilling.. but… I was sure to give a big shout out to @Oldsparkey in the video AND in the Description for your invaluable and critical input on this! I also did some research on neutral grain spirits, and added a link in the Description to a web site covering just about everything pertinent to the subject matter! And all this.. because of your important comments. So once again, Thanks Bro! ruclips.net/video/LdI-ZJ857Zs/видео.htmlsi=KYHbvxnhTyi2cAl4 Interestingly I also experienced another huge issue to health (if grilling).. totally not expected and revealed in the video… 😬 Now. If only my channel had more traction, the word would get out to more folks… 🙄

Not sure I quite understand the first sentence, bro.. 😂. But the powdered milk thing yeah. I thought about that too!

@@dobrofool ha ha Aussie slang. Tucker is food and cobber is friend, buddy or similar 🤠

@@journeymanadventure 😂 Look at that! I just learned some Aussie lingo for my own “bush” journeys up here… 😆 Noice! lol

Go back to the description, and you’ll find a time link for both the grill and the plate. I just edited it because I forgot to put the grill in there. So thanks for your question which got that edited in! The only thing I’m going to say, is that it has a rounded surface, which is a bit of a pain in the butt to work with. You may wish to try and find one that is flat, but just make sure it’s 19 cm in diameter. Otherwise you can get a rectangular or square one like I showed later in the video. That one is part of my bushcraft kit. Those little grills are a dime a dozen on Amazon. Thanks for your comment and compliment! 😎

Nice! Diffusion is the key, any way it can be accomplished. Thanks for sharing that!

Lighter to carry . ​@@dobrofool

What Trangia do you have? 27 or 25?

25 . Just bend the mesh a bit so it stands over the burner​@@questions6746

Hot coals right on the aluminum (ok, tin foil between, but still..) 🤔 I’m guessing you’ve done it enough to recommend it.. I would have thought that much intense heat directly on that thin aluminum would warp and eventually melt through.. 🤔. I experimented with using aluminum as the heat shield before I went to steel, and that was the issue I had…

@@dobrofool Not one layer. Just fold the foil a few times.

Thank you! Cheers!

Is that with a 27 or a 25

@@questions6746 . It works with any trangia cook set you just have to measure it and get the cake tin.

Just remember: 1. The oxygen issue for cooking in a pan. So a grill sitting on “top” may be best. I’m going to see if I can source a flat one which sits on top like my rectangle one, but it needs to fit inside the pan for knock down. I’d have to create a thin outside edge protection for inside the non stick pan tho, not to interfere with closing (easy enough I think..) 2. The CLEAN UP from grilling: it REALLY makes a mess inside both parts of the wind screen. 3. **BURN OFF THAT STEEL FIRST!!! Let us know how it goes, and any mods you come up with for your own system! I’m so glad this video is exciting others to try this! Enjoy!

​@@dobrofoolwhat I was thinking is I could take a cutoff wheel and cut notches directly under the rolled edge around the entire circumference. That would let air in at the top without having any consequence on the flame. And then the grill could still fit inside the upper when packed. As far as the dome of the grill, if used for fish that wouldn't be such an issue, but if it is, there are always trivets like used in an instant pot that one may be able to find the right size in for this purpose.

Yeah. I was thinking similar. Drilling may be 1/2“ or 5/8” inch holes at 12 o’clock, 6 o’clock, 3 o’clock, 9 o’clock positions, just below the rim 🤔 One thing I realized, after making this video, is that by installing the grill with concave up, for grilling purposes anyway, that would help prevent any rounded foods from rolling off the edges! 😉

Go to 1:13 time mark, pause video. If you have an iPhone (not sure if this works with Android, I’m guessing it does..?) simply take a screen shot of the eBay page. Open the pic and you should be able to highlight the text description, copy, and then paste into eBay search. It should pop right up. Check the seller name against the pic or the video. You’ll have to use the scroll down box on the sales page to choose a size. It will be 19cm for a Trangia 25. I don’t know the size for the 27. Disclaimer: This will be a China direct purchase. Unfortunately it was the only one I liked that I could find for 19cm. So I gave it a shot. Took about a week or so to get it, but no issues. The only thing I didn’t realize up front was the concave / convex design. The steel plate (also e-Bay) is at 4:17.

@@dobrofool Thank you. I'm not sure how I kept missing that screen shot.

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Agreed on all points. Interesting thought cooking over coals.. 🙄

Super expensive? it's 30 euros for the burner, pot, fry pan, stand, pot gripper. I don't know about "super" expensive... It's just PTFE being PTFE if it weren't for the coating then this would be non-issue.

@@Tiger-789 Trangia sets cost upwards from 60$ where I live. So it's a matter of perspective.

@@romant1127 I just found out that (supposedly) they will be releasing an HA (hardanodized aluminium) version of the mini some time this summer… 🤔

@@dobrofool That's nice. But it's not a non-stick coating or anything. It's more of a decorative/protective kind. I've heard good thing about new kind of non-stick coating with titanium in it. My friend just brings a light Tefal pan from home with him and is perfectly happy with how it performs. Maybe Trangia will incorporate it in a year or two, who knows? But honestly I don't really care about coated camping cookware. I'm using German army mess tin replica made from food-grade aluminum and don't experience any issues with it. Cleans easily too with a bit of water and charcoal from the campfire. If I were to buy another camping pot/pan I'd probably pick stainless steel, only because it's dishwasher safe and I don't need to be delicate with it like with coated cookware.