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paul kingsnorth!!!! 👍🤙

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Was interesting until the last 10 minutes.

a good philosopher. Jordan peterson, jordan peterson, JORDAN PETERSON!!!!

Awwww. Hope. My middle name(Esperanza).

Sooo good! Leaning into what we must pursue as a follower and as a church. No crossing lines...

The only thing I’d disagree with is that it’s childish to call out the people that are having an insane overreaction. They are not all Taylor Swift loving teens. These are grown adults. For their own sake, we need to try and snap them back to reality. We may not like that we are in a culture war, but their side have no intention of stopping their bullying. We can’t just roll over and let them for the sake of “maturity”.

I don't know if you remember me (I used to work for the same organisation and really appreciate your wisdom) I love the podcast. I am a big fan of yours and it's great to see you know as well whilst listening to you. Just a quick correction for Cameron (since I am Austrian and a native German speaker) - the literal translation comes from "Schaden" (Not "Schade") which doesn't mean sadness but damage. So it means damage-joy - but the rest was spot on. I wish you all the best from Austria - keep up the great work.

Interesting chat, you guys are well-spoken. My experience with many of the long-term fans of Trump who act to convince others of him being the better leader for the US is that they are motivated by some level of anger. That anger might variously be from seeing legacy media throw obvious bias into presentation of news, actions by the bureaucratic system of the government, or the effects of other major institutions of society on the current culture. From that anger, at least some of their motivation is derived from a desire for vengeance, even if it is as little as hoping to get "better results" and rubbing that in the faces of their opposition. Do you think that this desire is one better off avoided in forming motivation in the same sense as avoiding schadenfreude?

Good one!! Thanks!

@ 30:51 the Catholic Church has a plan for growth since Vatican 2. There is no longer need for the protest, protestants need to come home. the western Church needs to be unified, and then we can scale.

Claiming that Jordan Peterson is "politicing" his way out of the religious question continues to be the most disingenuous critique against him. As if he's not constantly fighting to find the words to describe his worldview. Atheists flippantly expect people to be able to formulate a notion of GOD without any uncertainty and to state in a few sentences exactly what they believe. When a physicist says "we don't know" to a difficult question, you don't say he's dodging the question. When people ask Jordan about God and he says "i don't know", it's a genuine surrender to the limitations of language and capacity for thinking.

The frame of “beliefs as mirroring reality” is a silly lens when doing theology. Theological and teleological beliefs are valued on their effective and pragmatic consequence; not on their correspondence to reality.

@nathanrittenhouse NO YOU DONT NEED TO PICK A POSITION NATHAN!.. there is absolutely no way to prove the story true factually because the whole story hangs on mary not lying. the degree of faith that a individual has in Christ has zero to do with how much of the story they think really happened. because like Jordan says believe mean to live it. So Jordan is correct to step over the reality question because it is the wrong qualifier for why the story is true.

The guy on the right looks quite like Michael Woods, an NZ politician. Someone should check his hard drives.

when u get on the app, they hide the time.good way of explainin fake dopamine releases to ppl too

I no longer follow Francis Apostate church but the Roman Catholic Church with no Pope again he throw Women under the bus I feel sorry for the Women & Children in Afghanistan & all the Women & Children around the World being Murdered Raped Abused Slaves as long as the men say it is our religion Francis says that's OK ?

Not Indonesia but in Singapore.

You two need to stop talking over each other. It makes it difficult to understand what anyone is saying. Wait your turn to respond.

@ 14:29....well technically all who die will face Christ and His judgment. Christ is God and therfore all paths do lead to God!

Excellent discussion! I pray that the US-ian church will lose all its political influence and have to lean on nothing but Christ, the solid Rock.

I love that because you simply discussed the difference between climate and weather, YT puts a warning label and link to the official UN stance on climate change 😂😂😂

most denominations Christians can't even worship together what hope do we have of unifying a country. we need to get back to the idea of a central church.

If you wouldn't say it, with the person in question standing right next to you, you probably shouldn't say it.

ruclips.net/video/XL-zyp2oiVw/видео.htmlsi=g6iaoCP-YoAuko8a this conversation is alot bigger and there is alot of big youtube names actively having this conversation. it would would be awsome to have you boys get into the bigger conversation.

Wisdom. Thanks!

Perhaps you could have said.. Give to Caesar (France) what is Caesars.. Give to God what is Gods.. It is not that Europe is culturally different.. they are obviously lost.. AND THAT IS important! That we pray for them. . One more thing.. Did your small children watch the opening ceremonies?

good to see you both...i know you😊

Fantastic message. Thank you, sir.

lol I'm intentionally not joining tol connect, because I want the youtube comment section (distributed congnition) to begin playing with and tossing around the concepts and ideas you are thinking out loud with.

I went to therapy in my early 20s for a few months. I was overwhelmed and had guilt from sinning and being apart from Jesus. I knew this. But, the therapist said my issues came from not having "normal" wordly teenage experiences..i.e. promiscuity, drinking.. I knew she was wrong. I wish I had a Christian counselor instead who would have understood my background instead of excusing sin.

Another thoughful talk. Personhood. Ironically, yesterday I used ChatGpt to create a document I needed and didn't have time to create myself. It did a wonderful job, but I had to go in and put in some personalized language and "feeling" so it would be me. At the end, for fun, I said thank you for your help in this. It responded really well, in multiple sentences, and even wished me success..I had to laugh.

Interesting to know the Dave's vision. A church with room to grow, but towards the light, not away.

Last one... Cameron's statement about having Christ's mind and Nathan's point on setting our minds on things above brought me some peace on this.. "It IS well with my soul." Thanks!!

My personal problem is that I expect this political idolatry from some, but I am frustrated and saddened at the Christian community demostrating this political idolatry too. The whole realm is just heartbreaking.

This. Political idolatry. Bling on your backpack. Theology point of view. This is impactful. Christianity does not equal Trump nor would he be an example for me personally. If I vote for trump, my reasons would not be related to Trump's abilities or values.

Woa. What a smart conversation.

@22:40 whoops cam, not good to let your listeners know your not listening to them. why would anyone pay attention to you? your obviously above the intrest of your audience.

Niceness is wordly and kindness is heavenly.

Lump under the rug..that's a good metaphor. I feel this.

Thank you. Good discussion. I questioned why the news did NOT excite me. I am over 50 but on the 30s, 40s train of thought. Also, brings some light into my struggle as a Christian teacher in public school. Good thoughts.

currently about 100 days no booze. still smoke cannibas daily, it's really helped me stop very excessive drinking. I have taken mushrooms and had a positive experience. I've found, for me, cannibas to be compatible with me being a Catholic.

mornin boys! 👍🤙

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glad you guys are uploading to youtube! 👍🤙

7:13 had a good friend who bought a chevy camino about 20 years ago. One day as he was at a dumpster offloading some trash, a group of Caminos rolled up by the dumpster and one of the drivers said to him, “Hey man, nice ‘mino. See ya around.” And he told me, “I think I may have been initiated into a gang 😮. 😅

But genuine, truth, love do depend on our future generations and thus is a pretty big problem for the world, apart from us believers, who are part of a vision of hope.

Your recognition and respect is the best that you may be able to do. That is not avassive. Those that can may be able to do more. But, ultimately, forgiveness is key. You can not make whole generations pay for the mistakes of others as the Lord doesn't hold the sins of our forefathers against us once we are freed by the blood of Christ. Consecuences may still come, though. We need to move forward, make amends where we can, and do our best not to make the same, or similar, mistakes.

Those calling for reparations betray their own failures. The successful do not call for reparations; their success is their best revenge. USA: former colony of England; USA: successful country not asking for reparations. Australia: former colony of England; Australia: successful country not asking for reparations. Taiwan: former colony of Japan; Taiwan: successful country not asking for reparations. South Korea: former colony of Japan; South Korea: successful country not asking for reparations. North Korea: former colony of Japan; North Korea: failed nation, should it ask for reparations? It is pitiful to see failed countries pleading for "reparations" from former colonizers. They fought, figuratively and literally, for their Independence which was granted or won. However, said failed nations did not know what to do with their Independence. Independence to an unprepared nation is akin to giving a loaded gun to a monkey. Failures have a proven record of failing time and time again and show no exercise of self-repair. Monetary "reparations" will repair nothing. Monetary "reparations" is akin to giving more heroin to the heroin addict: short term pleasure followed with long term pain. Actual healing is done from within, not from without. Paradox of getting a bank loan: those in the least need of loans are most likely to get loans. If you have outstanding debt, no job, criminal record, living on the streets, you definitely NEED a loan (I NEED MONEY!!!) but you are unlikely to get a loan. Of course you have a long list of reasons for your pitiful situation ("The Police planted the drugs on me!", "My great-great-great-grand parents were SLAVES!!!", "Wypiple stole my wealth!!", etc.). But no matter: No. Money. For. You. Those most likely to get reparations are those who are demanding it from strength; but then, given your strength, you are unlikely to ask for reparations: Success is the best Revenge. But, but, but some Native American Tribes are getting REPARATIONS!!! Yep. Despite "reparations", said tribes are still stuck in Poverty and Misery. One bad policy ("reparations" to american tribes) should not be followed by another bad one ("reparations" to ADOS/FBA). In fact, all bad policies should be eliminated. But, but, but some Japanese got REPARATIONS!!! Yes. The paradox of getting a bank loan in play. The Japanese community has done much better than average in the USA and reparations were neither needed nor desired. Reparations were given to the Japanese actually interned, not to the progeny of said Japanese. Those in the Black Community pushing for reparations show all the characteristics of a failing community. Many past programs focused on the Black Community (LBJ's Grand Society Programs, the HBCU's, Affirmative Action Programs, busing to White schools, establishment of Liberia, extended Welfare State, etc..) are reparations. In 1911, Booker T Washington warned us of the grifters, the poverty pimps: "There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs." But, but, but JIM CROW LAWS!!! Yep. A racist system set up by the Democrat Party (the Republican Party freed the slaves). Get reparations from the Democrat Party. And yet... African-Americans vote Democrat 95% of the time as of 2024 AD. Go figure. African-Americans suffering from Stockholm syndrome. The Blacks need mental help, not reparations. But, but, but SLAVES built the USA!!! Nope. HELPED build the USA, Yes. BUILT the USA, No. Slavery is low-tech. The USA of Automobiles, Gene Therapy, Space Travel, Computers, Internet is high-tech. High-Tech is impossible via Slavery. If Slavery were around today, the USA would be deep in Misery and Poverty, with Donkey and Horse as main Transportation. Slaves were used because one cannot train Donkey and Horse to pick cotton; with the mechanical cotton harvester, slavery became useless and uneconomical. Slaves did not invent the mechanical cotton harvester. The FBA (Foundational Black American), the ADOS (American Descendent of Slavery) should pay extra taxes to the Government to express gratitude for having their ancestors sent to the blessed land of America on a slave ship. Muhammed Ali, after the fight with George Foreman, said "I am glad my grand pappy came to America on a slave ship". The FBA, the ADOS could be stuck in Africa today (the horror!!!) if not for the slave trade. The FBA and ADOS need to kiss the White Man's gluteus maximus.