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I assume you meant the auto button. It does take a while to get used to but you can hold it down while you need to use it. There are a lot of situations that you need to press 2 buttons at the same time regardless who and which control scheme you play. Zangief's lariat/Ed's command dash/Throw/Parry (2 button on classic)/Any OD moves just to name a few, so you will have to get used to pressing multiple buttons.

@@n0dding What's your button layout? no matter where I put the auto button, it just feel unnatural for me? whenever I do OD I'll just do motion input + 2buttons(maybe 80% success rate) they are easier than auto button some how.

@@nguyenhoangpham5903 top row from left to right: L M H Auto Bottom row from left to right: DI SP+H(Super macro) SP Parry

@@jclcc9996666666 I only play on modern. Depending on the character you are playing, it can be rough due to losing buttons, but I think it's a fair trade-off for having modern shortcuts for DP (if your character has one) and Supers. Classic will also argue it's impossible to jump on modern because of that. For the characters I play and let's use Marisa as an example, losing quadriga and j.HK definitely hurt, but she has 2MP and gladius to play neutral with. On top of that, her strongest combo starter (5MP) is available through auto+M, and all her common space traps and safejumps are available as well. Making use of all those tools allow her to still be super effective in every aspect of the game. I'd say forget about what's available in classic and focus on what tools you have available. Using what you have and making the full use of them will be enough to take you to master on any character!

I think whoever fits your playstyle would be best for YOU to climb rank with. For me personally, I think Ed & Bison are the best characters right now. If I were to play a shoto seriously, it would probably be Ryu, but I think Akuma/Ken are stronger characters. I don't think Marisa is all that strong compare to other characters, but I've been playing her since launch and gladius lets you get away with a lot of things, so I want to get master with her before playing other characters. All the characters are fairly balanced with strengths and weaknesses, so I think it's just a matter of how much time and dedication you are willing to put into the character to climb rank with.

@@n0dding thanks for the answer, yeah it does seem like bison is probably overall the strongest imo but i wasnt sure how much he loses with modern controls. i play akuma classic but when i feel lazier i use modern :P i hope to get masters with her too!

@@johnsmith-fk7fw Bison isn't missing much on modern and fairly complete similar to Ed

@@n0dding awesome thanks for the reply :) i feel like i gotta just bite the bullet and purchase him :D

@@johnsmith-fk7fw you can use the rental coupon thing from the free pass to test out the character if you want before making a purchase

Elitism/Change is bad type mentality/Just want to spread hatred are basically the basis of any argument vs modern. The only constructive criticism is players have to play differently vs modern, which is true, but they just ignore the fact modern also have downsides and only focus on the benefits of 1 button stuff.

@@mightfloat9365 now time to get to master my friend💪

Keep up the grind man! We will all be master soon!

Exactly! I’m a classic player. IDGAF if someone prefers modern.

Facts, they are sitting Ducks.

I don't respect ranked modern the same way i do someone who uses classic, but i also consider it a problem if i cant best them. if they can still beat me (using modern) then i shut up and quietly determine to get better so that i can DESTROY the next modern that crosses my path.

@@daisycasey9077 modern players are sitting Ducks too. Waiting for you to jump in so you can do a lvl 3

I mean, modern is quite literally the same gameplay but less inputs lol, you sound salty over friendlier gameplay?

@@slobbernockerz i think ur right in that its great that modern makes the game more approachable for casual players. theres something about them in ranked that makes it frustrating but like i said in my previous comment if i cant beat them then the problem is on me..

@@Guestz0r welcome to the muscle crew 💪

Appreciate the love!

@@n0dding also Moder Lily is freaking good, in my personal opinion she is top 3 modern character

Appreciate the love! Recognizing mistakes and adjusting accordingly mid set is hard for sure, and that's what make tournament players and pro players so much stronger than online only players 🤣

These are my 2cents about modern Akuma - Akuma's fireballs, especially air fireball, are very good, but if you want to take him to a high level, I think you would need to learn motion input to unlock more of his kit instead of only relying on his 1 button stuff. His basic setups require you to learn light tatsu > heavy sweep, so you would need to learn how to do quartercircle back (214) in order to be effective. I think Akuma, or shotos in general imo, isn't really for the lazy players like me who heavily rely on the modern buttons, they can be played with a very simple gameplan with just fireballs and DPs, but to play at a high level, you will need to learn a bunch of motion input stuff for combos and different setup routes. His throw into command throw as meaty setup is also very strong in the corner.

Ed is definitely one of the most complete character on modern. The air game is weaker than classic due to missing j.MK but basically has everything else.

@@n0dding i think luke should have been an honorable mention he was clearly made with classic in mind with all his auto combos being levels 1-3 and he kind of breaks the mold of traditional shotos ig the tools he looses in modern are enough to make it not worth it though.

@@Sharky_0456 I think Luke is just an ok modern character. Yes, modern Luke was definitely designed to be fairly compatible with modern, but for completely new players who are just starting SF6, I think he is a poor choice. His auto combos are expensive and the damage conversions are not all that great. New players will constantly be burnt out and then the auto combos would be unusable since in Season 1 they don't convert into a different string to not use drive gauge unlike in Season 2. You can argue modern Zangief is also bad in the auto combo department, and he doesn't have all the tools Luke has, but 1 button SPD makes up for all of that imo.

@@n0dding k

Appreciate the love! There are many different LV2 routes for Ed and some require position awareness of where you are on the stage. If you go back to watch EVO VODs for momochi's replays, you can see him using ifferent routes based on the game situations and adjusted accordingly. If you don't plan to be a tournament player, I don't think it's necessary to learn all those techs though, but I would still recommend learning the desync/dream combo route if you want to put in the work for him. It's too resource efficient to not go for that route when the situation allows for it.

Big bodies and grapplers aren't for everyone. At least you gave him a try. I am sure Zangief would appreciate the attempt haha

@@ModernFightingGames I do play with a leverless controller, but I don't have a camera so I can't record footage of my hands for you. I think the most difficult part starting out is getting used to where the buttons are and assign them to a comfortable spot that you can press easily. My button layout on the left side for movement is default. The top row going from left to right: L/ M/ H/ Auto. The bottom row going from left to right: DI/ SP+H (macro for Super)/ SP/ Parry. For Ed specifically, I'd suggest macroing killrush(L+H or M+H) as well if you have more than 8 buttons on your leverless, or replace the super macro for killrush. Based on my button layout, for something simple like Auto+M>Auto+M>4SP my fingers would be hitting right pinky+right middle finger twice for Auto+M twice then use my left ring finger to press and hold 4 and right index will slide from H down to SP to get 4SP. If you are having trouble with DP motion (623), I personally press 626 to satisfy the input condition, and this is the only that works for me timing wise and inputting it correctly. There are a lot of different DP inputs and shortcuts you can do with leverless, so you need to find one that works for you. If there is a specific combo route you are having trouble with, comment with the string sequence and I can let you know how I would perform it!

@@n0dding for now it’s just the auto button that I’m having trouble with. Thanks for your help!

Appreciate the love! The video turned out way longer than expected but there are just so much to go over for Ed, so thanks for watching! Modern Cammy is definitely on my to-do list, so stay tuned!

@@n0dding Sure! I know you must be putting a lot of effort into this Modern ED video, it is really comprehensive! I actually started playing Modern ED and Modern Cammy because of your Top 4 Modern Control Characters video. Looking forward to the Modern Cammy one and thank you again!

Confirms are hard for sure, but it gets easier with practice and as you play more! Alternatively, you can change sound settings to make sound effects a bit louder and lower the other sounds, so you can also use your hearing to help you with confirms. It may or may not help depending on whether sounds help you with awareness, but doesn't hurt to try!

@@5thunders191 I currently have one on Marisa on the channel. I will make one for Ed soon, but these are the only characters I have spent a decent amount of time playing. I don't want to put out misinformation and make the videos based on my experience playing them, so it will take a while before I get to other characters.

@@n0dding thanks! Look forward to the Ed video

Correct. Ed is a DLC character.

Will continue the series once I am done with the Bison/Vega guide!

I personally think Luke's auto combos will lead to new players constantly burning themselves out and lead to a bad new player experience. Playing around with characters who aren't expensive while able to do damage allows for a better learning curve in my opinion.

@@n0dding that makes sense. His auto combos are expensive.

@@gustavoheringer that means a lot ❤️ thanks for the support!

Modern Ken is definitely good and on the easier side to pick up, but he requires more learning than someone who I'd say is easy like the 4 I mentioned in the video, in my opinion at least. Someone in the comment mentioned you can spam the medium auto combo/fireball/DP and get pretty far, so depending on what your goals are, you might not need to dig deeper into the character.

Master ken player here. Honestly he is great with modern. But abit more tricky then some of the others. Nothing crazy tho- give him a go!

Ken is definitely a great character if you invest some time to learn more about him and his routes, but that's pretty much the same issues I have with playing any of the shotos straight out of the box. Of course, that's just how I view and evaluate what's good for a modern character to start the game with and I can be wrong. The things that knocked ken down for me are tatsu, and all the auto combos. tatsu locked behind run for SP button is pretty bad, so you are forced to manually input 214 to get it during a combo, which is pretty important for ken's corner carry from midscreen. L auto combo is useless once people learn to jab after first hit of jinrai, and people love to mash jabs especially in lower elo from my experience. M auto combo being meterless is great, but the side switch is like a double edged sword. if you already have them in the corner, why would you want to side switch right? H auto combo damage isn't all that great without spending LV3 and the spacing and oki isn't great either even after spending 1 bar to drive rush (and you are negative if you run/2x dash to close the gap) despite being +31 after OD jinrai.

@@n0dding not really true u can modern during run for fire tatsu. i got master with ken modern and other char and i really feel ken more consistent at all , fire ball is a great tool dragon to u can win just by spaming medium auto combo if you dont want side switch just do the dp during the run motion or not you never lost the oki. For heavy auto i agree i never use it but who need to use it when medium exist meter less and lets you have avec to literaly all ken tool corner carry, dmg, side switch. and you can put the lvl 3 2 1 with medium auto combo. tbh, ken modern is more brain dead and easy to play than all char you proposed i thinks at low elo due to EX hado dr Hp "frame trap" medium auto if blocked just modern jinrai is enough

@@leesangpayab29 i stated tatsu modern shortcut is locked behind run, which you don't run before every combo route that uses tatsu, so new players are either forced to learn motion input or have to abandon routes that ask for tatsu, and that is a minus in my eyes. i made this video mainly for people like me who have zero fighting game experience and got attracted to SF6 because of modern control bypass the learning curve of motion input, so the need to learn motion input is a minus in my opinion. all the pros/content creators who did road to masters with all characters (before any DLC characters came out) said manon is the easiest to play neutral and get to master with, and people always say shoto is the easiest to start the game with, but i personally find manon and shotos hard to play even after playing the game for a while, so to each of our own for our paths to master (or whatever rank people want to achieve). congrats on your achievement with having multiple characters in master though!

@@n0dding Run is the part of the auto combo M so u can just press modern input during run so with medium combo you dont have to learn anything other than timing and press "special" -> or down. ether not so much people have tryed the modern version for learning, shuto stated ken was the strongest modern mid S1. and with the information we have today the statement before dlc is pretty wrong, we dont play really "neutral" before diams 3, before that its more a jump fiesta of jump so having a dragon is insane. and DI is spammed + DR so having a "invunerable reversal" is god to. anyway i can understand the statment of you have hard time with a type of char. But i would really recommand new player who want play modern to use ken if they want a shoto or a good perf early. Gl for your next content

These are my 2cents about modern Akuma - Akuma's fireballs, especially air fireball, are very good, but if you want to take him to a high level, I think you would need to learn motion input to unlock more of his kit instead of only relying on his 1 button stuff. His basic setups require you to learn light tatsu > heavy sweep, so you would need to learn how to do quartercircle back (214) in order to be effective. I think Akuma, or shotos in general imo, isn't really for the lazy players like me who heavily rely on the modern buttons, they can be played with a very simple gameplan with just fireballs and DPs, but to play at a high level, you will need to learn a bunch of motion input stuff for combos and different setup routes. His throw into command throw as meaty setup is also very strong in the corner.

LOL. That game also has Modern controls.

@@kateslate3228 It's different. MVC3 had them, Blazblue, even smash has execution shortcuts. SF6 ramped that sh** up though. You don't even need to have your eyes open and you're guaranteed to win at least half the time.

@@troyl200 Have you considered that you're just bad.

@@kateslate3228 Lol, I did. But I don't lose often enough; I'm usually the one to beat. You can't shake me, I love fighters way too much. The meta in sf6 is boring. it's so boring. It's not just the modern controls, that's a small part. I usually win against modern users xD It's just so... boring. Zero timing required, even using classic. Classic is easy too, xD Ugh! Can't wait for Wolves.

@@kateslate3228 I played Mark of the Wolves for Dreamcast. If it plays anything like the older one, I'm sold! The combo systems are so goood!