I know everyone thinks that full auto is what everyone uses during a firefight but semi is best! Controlled, accurate, percise follow up shots conserving ammo and staying behind cover focusing on making ones self smaller and never forgetting praying for everyone having a relationship with Jesus
@@whateverthefuck2 the last time I saw an A1 in service was nigh on 15 years ago when Cadets were using them for training and these rifles were manually operated (the bolt didn't cycle round automatically). The A1 hasn't been in use with any military branch since the A2 redesign. The A3 is already being rolled out. The Royal Marines are already changing to the Canadian C8.
That guy's range safety was shite. Obviously he hasn't been taught the forward assist and then he starts waving it around his head with the mag in trying to shake a loose round out.
would u like to comment on how the american M16 came about? it's history, how the 5.56 round came about? How America lagged behind then and now? How about the M14, would you like to talk about reliability? Wait wait wait... Let's talk about your Bushmaster line of AR15s, that continue to break......no? Just checking xD We're not proud of the L85. It's been painful. But we stand behind it's accuracy. We also stand behind our men. Quality is something we do. With the German help, we also do dependability. America could really use less shit-talking. They have little space. Also, you now buy your guns from Austria, Belgium and Germany, don't you? Yeah you do :P If you ask me, by this point I'd take the A3 bullpup over the M4 any day, if I was using 5.56. So shut your face xD I'd also try to keep the fucker out of the sand. Guess you lot aren't trained to do much gear care and maintainance..... That's true. Js. #Murika
Air burst guns are too ahead of our civilization's level in fact. This is just the clever one that is appropriate and practical in today's situation. It does the job much better than iron sight grenade launchers, and is still very simple to be installed on existing weapons. We are not quite ready for air burst guns equipped with high tech computer fire control system, and FN figured out a practical solution that will take charge of next few decades until the future century. And FN was the only one who came out of this realistic solution that fits today's financial and technological level. It will lengthen the life of 40mm grenade launcher by one more generation time. Militaries always love such ideas. Very clever.
Still crap, for me at least, because I'm left-handed. Yeah yeah yeah, I knew all about the "There are no lefties in the British Army" thing. At least other bullpup rifle have option to switch the eject port for left-handed users. Even if you wouldn't mind the hot ejecting brass hitting your face, the moving cocking handle of L85 is too far back that it can smash your jaw if you use it left-handed.
don't get me wrong I would love to have m4 or something like that yes the sa80 is heavy but it's very accurate and is a very good rifle and the new a3 what's out next year is gonna be even better we have 1 of the best sights in the world on the sa80 same one US special forces use
I've fired an AR15 and an SA80. The AR15 feels awkward, is a pain in the dick to cock, and feels weird as fuck trying to load in the magazine. The SA80 has a better balance, feels easier to use, and is more accurate.
look at this penis trying to fit the mag clearly too weak to just push it in firmly, dislodging rounds by slapping Base of mag. also is the l85a1 the a2 is far more reliable
So I just looked at your profile. Ok you think you have more of an authority of knowledge on the SA80 platform? what did you drop out of secondary school to join the army?
Most dets have a couple of the A2 DPs lying around, and at least in my coy the shooting weekends are pretty common, Lambda. We don't use the Lee Enfields as the standard cadet rifle any more, A2s aren't just annual camp stuff.
Honestly, I don't care what the cadets do. I'm sure it's great, and its a good idea, but what I don't appreciate is some walty cadet taking the piss out of someone who actually serves. Nothing on you. Nice username by the way.
RandomStuff by exploding in your hands you mean? The first M16s were just as shit as the first L85 the L85A3 is just as good as the M16A4, and the L85A4 will be better
The M4 doesn't shoot far enough, for the same length as an A2. The M16A4 is stupidly long, and still isn't as accurate, while not having full auto capability. The A2 is shorter, more accurate, and in my experiences, easier to use than the AR15.
It's a fine rifle, just kind of on the expensive side and the ergonomics don't seem to be fantastic. Every rifle has teething problems even the Tavor that everybody is in love with was withdrawn from service at one time because of poor performance and the highly vaunted H&K 416 turns into a jamtastic if you don't use new H&K magazines.
Joseph Legacy Errrr or not. They re-worked alot of the internal parts, they didnt "elongate" the charging they changed it completely. Oh and the scope isn't intergrated into the rifle, you can put whatever sight you want on it. The A2 is a massive improvment to the A1.
The L85 is basically going through the same process as the M16. To begin with it was possibly the worst weapon of its time, but now it's been upgraded it's finally getting somewhere. One or two more iterations and perhaps the SA80A3 or A4 will be as desireable as the current american M16/M4 weapons. And the main problem these guys are having with the A1 is that they're firing on full auto (or "repetition" as it's labelled on the weapon), the A1 was less crap when fired semi-auto. Still crap though.
Nicole Woodruff Actually the problems with the M16 were caused by the pressure of the issued ammunition greatly exceeding what the rifles had been designed to fire which caused excessive wear on the components and lead to the gun outrunning the magazine. If you're interested there is an interview with Jim Sullivan, one of the main engineers behind the AR-15, and his version of the story: www.full30.com/video/9b50f8a825ab510b4c227c7b32a76bc1
+Woodruff Basically, Wood, during the Cold War, the British Army was going to be defending Northern Europe, so rifles were designed to work in the cold. Either using them in the desert was overlooked or undertested, but they worked in the Arctic, so it wasn't until they were actually used in Iraq that they were really exposed as a piece of shite. IMO moving away from the SLR was a mistake, but then the Americans insisted on a calibre change, so there you have it, the Americans caused the SA80 to be made.
just to give everyone the heads up, these are A1 rifles which were not the best. the ones in use today are A2 rifles which were handed to HK to sort out all of its problems. people saying the l85 is shit need there heads testing. all of the armed forces personnel whom have used the A2 IT HAS NEVER LET THEM DOWN. personal opinion, id much rather have the A2 of an AR15 platform.
+Cameron Montrose (CamJam-M) I don't know about that. The M16/M4 platform does have several advantages over ever the L85A2. For starters it has a better trigger pull. Bullpups inherently have a far longer trigger pull than other rifles due to the connecting rode between the bolt and the trigger group. Also the M16/M4 is far more versatile a weapon system due to the sheer number of after market parts available. Hell you can re-chamber any lower receiver for dozens of different cartridges and barrel lengths in under a minute just by changing the upper receiver and the magazine. Also there are the countless other modifications specifically meant for the platform due to it's popularity and usage by over 30 countries. Not to mention the overwhelming popularity of the new HK416 thanks to it's usage by Delta Force and other Special Forces the world over. And then there is the matter that the SAS and SBS use the Canadian C8 which is basically just an M4 with a different barrel. Also there is the matter that depending on the model the rifle is also lighter than the L85. Which is actually VERY heavy for a 5.56 rifle. At that weight you might as well chamber the thing in 7.62 for the weight you are dealing with. And the charing handle is easier to manipulate on the M16/M4 for clearing jams which are rare even with DI guns.
+Hyaku Dojo A1 was a right dog. Bolt and carrier made at different factories and often did not fit correctly. Mag lips were weak and if dropped often would not feed. Cast bayonet was weak. Safety catch used to break under strong trigger pressure. (plastic I believe). Mag fell out in use. Over tempered springs broke. Receiver finished off in the vice to make it fit. Piece of bent metal junk anyway. At least one case of a breech cracking. I was told this and more by an armourer. Then to the rescue!!!! We spent £93 million with H&K to sort the thing out. It is much better now I believe but you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. When the SA 80 was thrown on the floor of the test room. We were told "did you know that you have a gun that goes off when you drop it" Bless my soul. Good grief!!!. Why did we not buy the M16 ?. It is a very good rifle and in 5.56 as well. It has been used all over the place with good reports and to good effect and it s well liked. In conclusion, why do we, the British try to defend all this. In action I would sooner have a rattly old AK 47 !!. Even a Chinese one that goes Clank, Clank, Bang. It does not jam and can be relied upon everything but pinpoint accuracy which is poor. That was my experience many years ago at the range. Well, at least the SA80 should now be battle worthy . I sure hope so.
+Samuel Neese Why do you need to rechamber a military rifle? It's made in 5.56, which while is slightly underpowered IMO, but it's NATO standard. Why do you need to change barrel length when it's already short, and can hit targets at 400m? The UKSF use the C8 for weight and noise reasons. For an infantryman, the SA80's weight is fine, but obviously for the SAS they'd want something lighter. As for 7.62, we did have a 7.62 SLR until the Americans decided to change the NATO calibre again.
I know everyone thinks that full auto is what everyone uses during a firefight but semi is best! Controlled, accurate, percise follow up shots conserving ammo and staying behind cover focusing on making ones self smaller and never forgetting praying for everyone having a relationship with Jesus
L85 X Insas Who jam more?
17 years old but better than free fire
You dead
정말 병신같은 소총이네
British rifles are like their food. No one likes it.
"British rifles are like their food." Meaning everyone likes it. Lmao which shithole are you from?
stalker oblivion lost
Starship troopers
Bill siting right now need you emergency
it jams a lot that it can get you killed in a fight
You realise this is the A1 version that hasn't been used since forever, right?
@@offender0 yes
@@offender0 but there are ones using a1 still
@@whateverthefuck2 the last time I saw an A1 in service was nigh on 15 years ago when Cadets were using them for training and these rifles were manually operated (the bolt didn't cycle round automatically). The A1 hasn't been in use with any military branch since the A2 redesign. The A3 is already being rolled out. The Royal Marines are already changing to the Canadian C8.
That guy's range safety was shite. Obviously he hasn't been taught the forward assist and then he starts waving it around his head with the mag in trying to shake a loose round out.
Where'd we go wrong!! They went incredibly with the Lee Enfields, then the incredible L1A1 SLR, then... this
Laugh in AK47
Brit guns are garbage
So why does the US use them from their sniper rifles to their artillery guns you dumb slope?
給弾不良に自重落下のマガジン…… チャージングハンドルも後ろにある… その上空薬莢が薬室内に戻ったりそもそも排莢されなかったり…… 何だこの命中精度の高い鈍器は…… でも好きなんだよ。
L85がいくらジャムることで有名だとしても、そんなにジャムる物なのか…
What is this piece of shit?
Мазёво пычкает.
These are shitty as they are the A1 version, the A2 was improved greatly
jamおじさんもビックリ
0:36 wtf?
0:31 wtf?
左利きの俺にはダメな銃
実況者ジャンヌから来た人 ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓
jdaからきたやつ
L85A1はよくジャムるって聞くけど、軍人さんも流石にこれに命預けらんねぇな、、、
Japanese 😇
あっさりジャムおじさん出てるね
牛車丸 ジャンヌさんの動画から来た？
地獄の公爵バニル バレた？
Poor Norwegians, the British tricked them into buying the A1
L85 잼겁나심하네
would u like to comment on how the american M16 came about? it's history, how the 5.56 round came about? How America lagged behind then and now? How about the M14, would you like to talk about reliability? Wait wait wait... Let's talk about your Bushmaster line of AR15s, that continue to break......no? Just checking xD We're not proud of the L85. It's been painful. But we stand behind it's accuracy. We also stand behind our men. Quality is something we do. With the German help, we also do dependability. America could really use less shit-talking. They have little space. Also, you now buy your guns from Austria, Belgium and Germany, don't you? Yeah you do :P If you ask me, by this point I'd take the A3 bullpup over the M4 any day, if I was using 5.56. So shut your face xD I'd also try to keep the fucker out of the sand. Guess you lot aren't trained to do much gear care and maintainance..... That's true. Js. #Murika
mpt-55 better than m4a1
Terrorists would never win whit that guy at anti terrorists in the CS:GO.
Te amo m4
xD yo igual v:
Remember Stan? Well done brits
Essa e feinha
Air burst guns are too ahead of our civilization's level in fact. This is just the clever one that is appropriate and practical in today's situation. It does the job much better than iron sight grenade launchers, and is still very simple to be installed on existing weapons. We are not quite ready for air burst guns equipped with high tech computer fire control system, and FN figured out a practical solution that will take charge of next few decades until the future century. And FN was the only one who came out of this realistic solution that fits today's financial and technological level. It will lengthen the life of 40mm grenade launcher by one more generation time. Militaries always love such ideas. Very clever.
14 years old:))
the F2000 looks like the MA5 Assault Rifle from Halo!
엣헴엣헴! 나무위키에서 순례중인 씹선비오~ 엣헴엣헴! [미쿠찡 다이스키~♥]
check the gas parts haha
This is the A1 that was crap but the A2 today is best in the world pretty much.
"best" okay.
In3x0rable...if you keep it clean, it'll take care of you.
The l85 has shitty workings and its barrel is molded crap, and please to all the brits out there, dont try to defend it.
The old one did
Still crap, for me at least, because I'm left-handed. Yeah yeah yeah, I knew all about the "There are no lefties in the British Army" thing. At least other bullpup rifle have option to switch the eject port for left-handed users. Even if you wouldn't mind the hot ejecting brass hitting your face, the moving cocking handle of L85 is too far back that it can smash your jaw if you use it left-handed.
don't get me wrong I would love to have m4 or something like that yes the sa80 is heavy but it's very accurate and is a very good rifle and the new a3 what's out next year is gonna be even better we have 1 of the best sights in the world on the sa80 same one US special forces use
I've fired an AR15 and an SA80. The AR15 feels awkward, is a pain in the dick to cock, and feels weird as fuck trying to load in the magazine. The SA80 has a better balance, feels easier to use, and is more accurate.
yeah, the A1 did. The a2 not so much
look at this penis trying to fit the mag clearly too weak to just push it in firmly, dislodging rounds by slapping Base of mag. also is the l85a1 the a2 is far more reliable
+studiotoggle You're probably a cadet. Shame you only use those rifles once a year, tops.
So I just looked at your profile. Ok you think you have more of an authority of knowledge on the SA80 platform? what did you drop out of secondary school to join the army?
No, I didn't. I just don't appreciate a walt disrespecting a soldier.
Most dets have a couple of the A2 DPs lying around, and at least in my coy the shooting weekends are pretty common, Lambda. We don't use the Lee Enfields as the standard cadet rifle any more, A2s aren't just annual camp stuff.
Honestly, I don't care what the cadets do. I'm sure it's great, and its a good idea, but what I don't appreciate is some walty cadet taking the piss out of someone who actually serves. Nothing on you. Nice username by the way.
I would disassemble it and leave
Get the SLR out the armory?
Belive me the L85 L86 sa80 are complete trash try geting a good gun like a ar15 m4 or m16
+RandomStuff >good gun >AR 15 based crap pick one
+dutchsouthernrockfan the ar-15 blows the l85 out of the water any day all the way.
RandomStuff by exploding in your hands you mean? The first M16s were just as shit as the first L85 the L85A3 is just as good as the M16A4, and the L85A4 will be better
The M4 doesn't shoot far enough, for the same length as an A2. The M16A4 is stupidly long, and still isn't as accurate, while not having full auto capability. The A2 is shorter, more accurate, and in my experiences, easier to use than the AR15.
It's a fine rifle, just kind of on the expensive side and the ergonomics don't seem to be fantastic. Every rifle has teething problems even the Tavor that everybody is in love with was withdrawn from service at one time because of poor performance and the highly vaunted H&K 416 turns into a jamtastic if you don't use new H&K magazines.
Expensive, yes, but then we'll only need 100,000 in 2020. Bloody cuts.
nagrywane paprykarzem
Stovepipes, magazines falling out, yea totally an ar15 competitor 👌
Daniel G. Hence why it was upgraded
SooSneeky It was not upgraded very much, it now has a less shittier scope and elongated charging handle, I don't consider that much of an improvement.
Joseph Legacy Errrr or not. They re-worked alot of the internal parts, they didnt "elongate" the charging they changed it completely. Oh and the scope isn't intergrated into the rifle, you can put whatever sight you want on it. The A2 is a massive improvment to the A1.
Look at the rounds per jam on both weapons and reconsider H&K fixed up the mk2 pretty good
Shorter range, less accuracy and far heavier, yeah the ar15 is totally a better gun lmao 👌
The L85 is basically going through the same process as the M16. To begin with it was possibly the worst weapon of its time, but now it's been upgraded it's finally getting somewhere. One or two more iterations and perhaps the SA80A3 or A4 will be as desireable as the current american M16/M4 weapons. And the main problem these guys are having with the A1 is that they're firing on full auto (or "repetition" as it's labelled on the weapon), the A1 was less crap when fired semi-auto. Still crap though.
Nicole Woodruff Actually the problems with the M16 were caused by the pressure of the issued ammunition greatly exceeding what the rifles had been designed to fire which caused excessive wear on the components and lead to the gun outrunning the magazine. If you're interested there is an interview with Jim Sullivan, one of the main engineers behind the AR-15, and his version of the story: www.full30.com/video/9b50f8a825ab510b4c227c7b32a76bc1
+Woodruff Basically, Wood, during the Cold War, the British Army was going to be defending Northern Europe, so rifles were designed to work in the cold. Either using them in the desert was overlooked or undertested, but they worked in the Arctic, so it wasn't until they were actually used in Iraq that they were really exposed as a piece of shite. IMO moving away from the SLR was a mistake, but then the Americans insisted on a calibre change, so there you have it, the Americans caused the SA80 to be made.
just to give everyone the heads up, these are A1 rifles which were not the best. the ones in use today are A2 rifles which were handed to HK to sort out all of its problems. people saying the l85 is shit need there heads testing. all of the armed forces personnel whom have used the A2 IT HAS NEVER LET THEM DOWN. personal opinion, id much rather have the A2 of an AR15 platform.
+Cameron Montrose (CamJam-M) I don't know about that. The M16/M4 platform does have several advantages over ever the L85A2. For starters it has a better trigger pull. Bullpups inherently have a far longer trigger pull than other rifles due to the connecting rode between the bolt and the trigger group. Also the M16/M4 is far more versatile a weapon system due to the sheer number of after market parts available. Hell you can re-chamber any lower receiver for dozens of different cartridges and barrel lengths in under a minute just by changing the upper receiver and the magazine. Also there are the countless other modifications specifically meant for the platform due to it's popularity and usage by over 30 countries. Not to mention the overwhelming popularity of the new HK416 thanks to it's usage by Delta Force and other Special Forces the world over. And then there is the matter that the SAS and SBS use the Canadian C8 which is basically just an M4 with a different barrel. Also there is the matter that depending on the model the rifle is also lighter than the L85. Which is actually VERY heavy for a 5.56 rifle. At that weight you might as well chamber the thing in 7.62 for the weight you are dealing with. And the charing handle is easier to manipulate on the M16/M4 for clearing jams which are rare even with DI guns.
+Hyaku Dojo A1 was a right dog. Bolt and carrier made at different factories and often did not fit correctly. Mag lips were weak and if dropped often would not feed. Cast bayonet was weak. Safety catch used to break under strong trigger pressure. (plastic I believe). Mag fell out in use. Over tempered springs broke. Receiver finished off in the vice to make it fit. Piece of bent metal junk anyway. At least one case of a breech cracking. I was told this and more by an armourer. Then to the rescue!!!! We spent £93 million with H&K to sort the thing out. It is much better now I believe but you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. When the SA 80 was thrown on the floor of the test room. We were told "did you know that you have a gun that goes off when you drop it" Bless my soul. Good grief!!!. Why did we not buy the M16 ?. It is a very good rifle and in 5.56 as well. It has been used all over the place with good reports and to good effect and it s well liked. In conclusion, why do we, the British try to defend all this. In action I would sooner have a rattly old AK 47 !!. Even a Chinese one that goes Clank, Clank, Bang. It does not jam and can be relied upon everything but pinpoint accuracy which is poor. That was my experience many years ago at the range. Well, at least the SA80 should now be battle worthy . I sure hope so.
+Samuel Neese Why do you need to rechamber a military rifle? It's made in 5.56, which while is slightly underpowered IMO, but it's NATO standard. Why do you need to change barrel length when it's already short, and can hit targets at 400m? The UKSF use the C8 for weight and noise reasons. For an infantryman, the SA80's weight is fine, but obviously for the SAS they'd want something lighter. As for 7.62, we did have a 7.62 SLR until the Americans decided to change the NATO calibre again.
I'd rather take an SLR over the SA80 or AR15. Pansy 5.56 guns.
@@manofwealthandtaste136 The Americans have nothing to do with NATO calibre change you idiot.