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I totally hear you there...hindsight is 20/20. I'm a survivor of an under slab leak as well, but a water sensor would not have helped--a water monitor would. I'm curious. How would a sensor have detected a slab leak for you?

I'm happy to hear it helped! You are right there--matter is the future. I've heard it from the manufacturers of the water monitors as well.

Given I was able to hook even the supposedly non compatible Gen 1's onto IFTTT, I think you are on to something there. Like using IFTTT with Alexa or some other connected speaker to solve that problem. Given, an alert should still make it to your phone. But if you are looking for an audible something along those lines should work. I'd love to hear what ends up working for you!

Thanks for sharing! I think the stones nowadays are quite a bit better than when I made this video. With the correct slope and a better choice of stones than mine you'll probably be happy--especially if you've seen it work in other places.

Do you need a homebase for this protect from work?

For this product to work*

Thank you for your kind words.

The sensors require the gateway/hub that comes with each set--or at least the starter sets because they also offer sensor only sets, but it is with the expectation you have the correct gateway.

You can set off each alarm one at a time--just set it in a little water. The app will tell you which one and you can rename the one that just went off.

Agreed. If you figure it out you are in business!!!! 💰💰💰

Thank you for sharing. Definitely not the best experience. I'm curious. Where was it located? I'm guessing indoors if it lasted 3 years. Did you take it off and shake it? If so, can you hear water sloshing inside? Mine were outdoors and failed on the interior like that. Water went into the electronics side and fried the circuits. I haven't heard of anyone having that same problem if it is indoors. My latest unit is almost at 4 years, but it is inside (not on my house).

@@NoMoreLeaks Yes, indoors and no, I have not removed it so not sure what the cause is but sounds like what you are describing-water getting into the electronics. I'll wait until someone (another company) comes out with a better and more reliable design...hopefully. I spent a lot of money trying to do the right thing, and to have this fail in such a short span of time is frustrating. I have also had bad luck with Moen sink valves. The ones I replaced were still working after ~30 years but I decided to get ahead of any issues and replace them. One would leak when turned all the way to the cold side, so I had to replace it. Also (sorry for the rant) I had purchased smart water leak detectors (batter operated) and they arrived with the battery contacts sliding around inside...they weren't soldered. Returned those.

​@@jimroberts6176 Interesting! I haven't heard of the inside failure happening on a unit installed indoors yet. When mine failed the lights went out so I figured why waste money keeping the AC adapter powered on, so I unplugged the device and left it inline--only to discover water dripping out of the power plug days later! I'd highly recommend putting in the spacer that came with the unit and taking the unit off to prevent a leak from the device itself if you have the internal leak. If you don't mind, when you do take it off, I'd love to know if that is what actually happened. Rants are welcome--comments are the best part of videos. We all share what works and what doesn't. :) As for the leak detectors. Do you recall the brand? I'm slowly working my way through a good number of different sensors (shared on the channel) and haven't come across a terrible one yet. Too bad Flo ended the IFTTT integration because their detectors are spendy!

@@NoMoreLeaks Thanks for the suggestion about the spacer. The leak detectors were Moen (Flo by Moen Sensors)

Happy to help--and prevent water damage from a leaking unit! That would be insult to injury. Wow on that feedback on the Moen Sensors.

Agreed. Definitely a few things to consider there. Thank you for adding this!

Thanks! An update is coming soon.

Agreed, a wet towel is not the best test because you have to work harder to complete the circuit. Honestly, I didn't feel like wiping up the mess. However, in my unboxing and setup videos the first thing I do is take it out and put it in a wet spot on the floor. That's a true test because these sensors aren't going to be dealing with a towel--the water is just going to go under them. Here's a better test of the V1: ruclips.net/video/Ist5G8qNvOA/видео.html and of the V2: ruclips.net/video/ztDhLEDKWMM/видео.html. Hope that helps and thanks for the feedback.

I'm happy to hear it helped. I hope it makes your decision easier.

Glad to have helped. 🙌 on the $ saved!

Glad it was helpful!

Right? Happy to help--I was unpleasantly surprised as well. Having tried out a couple more LoRa sensors since then, it seems this may be a common requirement across the devices using that technology. Given, my sample size is pretty small, but something to keep in mind.

Thanks for sharing! Too bad it is on the front of the house, but it could be a pretty dog house. I have a few theories--one of which I think may be the real culprit. I'm working on a follow up video to go over these issues right now. Stay tuned!

From Phyn. TBH, it was a hard sell and they sent it because it was during the time when Phyn Plus was not available due to parts shortages.

💯👏 peace of mind!

Glad to hear it was helpful. Best of luck on your project!

I hope the new sink helps!

I'm wondering if the black stuff is what is beneath the outer surface of the magnets. At some point if you have rust building up it can eat through the outer shiny part of the magnet and leave a rough surface which is easier for rust to build up again. If it is not that I have no idea what the black stuff could be. Glad to hear the replacement kit did the trick in the meantime!

I can see this viewpoint although that means you'd have to keep the drain closed in order to prevent bugs from coming up too. It certainly is gross when you have to do more than a simple drain stopper cleanup and have to take the entire assembly apart!

Thank you. I hope it made your decision easier.

Good suggestion! Thanks for leaving your comment.

Happy to have helped! How long did your turbine last?

It depends on what kind of pex you are trying to repair.

🙌 Nicely done! Appreciate you coming back to share.

How interesting! Thank you for sharing. I'm curious. How did they contact you? I've been a Flo Protect customer over 5 years (need to cancel that now that I'm passed the extended warranty), but haven't received a notice I'm aware of. Maybe I missed it?

This is what I used: Max Strip Paint & Varnish Stripper: amzn.to/37ZITW1 I'd double check with Home Depot or Lowe's too.

Oh no! What a relief you at least found the source! That's a situation I haven't encountered before, but sounds terrible. Maybe drop this comment on some radiant floor leak videos?

Thank you. Great question. It was leftover from another project. That's why we had a coupling in the line because we didn't have enough for a full run and used two pieces. You are spot on there. Even the new, 2-3K sq/ft houses in the next neighborhood have 3/4" and they have fire sprinkler systems so that makes sense a house has to be pretty large to justify the increase.

I hear you! When everyone was home during Covid and the sinks were getting used all hours of the day and never drying up. I'd pull the whole assembly apart to clean out the gunk everywhere. I'll admit I haven't liked the pop up drain as much as I hoped. The stainless isn't holding up and I'm worried it will stick in the down position. I'd love to hear if you find a good long term solution.

Oh no! Did it cause an issue?

Thank you for sharing. It was worth the time and effort to place each stone--that's a regret I have. Best of luck on round 2. I'd love to hear if the seal coat makes grout easier.

You know, it probably would have that added side benefit too! 👍

We're on a grid system out in here in the Phoenix metro. Just got lucky buying the right orientation--and then fell into this kind of testing. Who knew how great of a testbed this house would be for the industry. 🤣 It's bad news when these devices become code...

Thanks for the feedback! I have some major updates on where I stand on these devices with the long term testing--on both testing the devices and the companies themselves. That's the subject for the next two videos in production. Since you are looking now: Phyn Plus may be a great choice with features that Flo does not, but my issue is that the inside of the pipe inside of Phyn breaks down. I can see the engineered polymer fibers and I'm not comfortable having that floating around in water I or my family is ingesting. It happened in the Gen 1 and the Gen 2 when left exposed to the sun. This last unit I bought myself and it never saw the sun, but still had to be outdoors in the heat. The same problem occurred. That leaves the combination of heat and hard water of which I can't eliminate one to continue the test. Phyn ghosted me after a good conversation on possible things we could try last year. Without a replacement unit, which I finally was able to get a return last week, I could not start the experiment in a different location to see if the unit does just fine indoors. The engineered polymer is not unique to Phyn. It is the same thing Badger Meter is using in smart meters. However, the difference is, smart meters are located in a fully shaded box underground in the front yard, if they are outdoors like they are here: less heat. I am very concerned with this issue and without another test point where the device is fine for years indoors, I cannot in good faith recommend Phyn Plus or H2Wise+. In addition, other viewers have reached out that the H2Wise+ has a pretty bad app and it does not support sensors. TLDR: go with Flo over Phyn Plus. There are a couple other options available to you if the device is housed safe inside. It depends on what you are looking at budget wise, the integration you want, household usage, etc.

@@NoMoreLeaks thank you for this extra info, look forward to your future videos Ok, the plumbing is inside. I am intrigued with the information these devices can provide with the leak detection. Yeah I started googling/reading reviews and reddit and saw similar sentiment about h2wise and you're just better off with Phyn plus over h2wise since Kohler support just tells you apparently to contact Phyn Thank you again for all your insights

If it is any help, here are the direct links to the playlists I have for Flo and Phyn. Phyn Playlist - ruclips.net/p/PLzio78R2Y1xmFsNYxa93fIU9ObTcwchlw Flo Playlist - ruclips.net/p/PLzio78R2Y1xnD6HOjhSxcIr1RvUySdJXK The feature review videos show more than just tell. The cost video is another good one. I'm looking into FloLogic to replace Phyn and Flo--there just isn't a lot of information out there on that system.

@@NoMoreLeaks thank you, i'll check it out, the name is too close to Moen Flo, might as well go with Luigi's Leak Logic, Mario's Plumbing Monitor, Donatello's Leak Detector I kinda liked Moen because of the brand and felt I'd get support, i think for better or worse as average consumer name Kohler makes you feel more confident about Phyn

LOL. The funny thing is FloLogic was one of the first, if not the first in the game 20+ years ago. 100% agree on brand awareness being a thing. I haven't interacted with Moen since the transition since the last device has not had issues for years. Flo's customer service was phenomenal. I can't say the same for Phyn.

Thank you for the kind words. Fire away if you have questions. My #5 Flo is operating in a climate controlled basement in the cold winter climate of Nebraska. I wish I could say the same for Phyn Plus, but the company did not extend that offer back when I asked to restart the clock there while debugging the issue here...or subsequent times. Your situation is ideal where your plumbing comes in indoors, which is much more forgiving on these devices.

Heh, yep.

Thanks for the confirmation!

The good news is there are no fakes or knockoffs yet. Moen had slowly acquired Flo over the years and with each step along the way the housing, name on the unit and coloring has changed. My last couple devices, which you see in the video, were when Moen had the majority stake and it says Flo by Moen. You have the latest and greatest design with Flo being fully acquired and owned by Moen.

@@NoMoreLeaks , thank you very much for your response. 👍❤️

Very nice! Thanks for sharing.

Glad to hear it helped!

I think you summed it up best! Here's to longer living cords!

Flo dropped their integration with IFTTT about 4 years ago. Phyn never integrated. Both don't really have an incentive to do so since they have their own water sensors to sell and those send texts, email and push notifications (Flo also can give you a call as well). Alexa and Google skills don't really do much that you can't check through the app so that route isn't an option either (it sounds like Flo is also not supporting those integrations as well anymore either although their website still claims it does so YMMV). Let me know if you have other questions.

According to this link the minimum bending radius of 1 inch PEX is 9 inches: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.pexuniverse.com/pex-tubing-technical-specs Not much of a 45 degree angle. Not sure what kind of room you have to work with and if PVC had curves to accout for uses like that.